U.S. Covid spread exploding upward exponentially, threatening hospitals

[loveofourlord]

Yep. That's me. I'm a horrible person.

Be better for everyone if I was taken out somewhere and shot.

Least you agree your a terrible people 250+ people dead, and all you whiney children can do is complain about actually caring.

 

[loveofourlord]

Yep. That's me. I'm a horrible person.

Be better for everyone if I was taken out somewhere and shot.

If it's so harmless why are so many hospitals nearing or at capacity to handle covid, there is currently 76k people in hospitals across the us with covid.

 

[Halbhh]

doctors and nurses have exposed the fact that the numbers of COVID deaths were deliberately exaggerated

The CDC collects statistics about total deaths from all causes. Regardless of what the death is attributed to, no matter the cause.

"Excess deaths" are the number of deaths a nation has above the normal average during any month of the year, or through the full year, or for any given period of months. compared to the normal average.

Got that? Please ask questions if you have questions on it.

Now look at how 2020 differed from normal through July 11th:

Coronavirus: Is the US the worst-hit country for deaths?

Through October 3rd:

"Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths have occurred in the United States from late January through October 3, 2020, with two thirds of these attributed to COVID-19. "
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...

The problem in this theory that U.S. doctors are misreporting the reasons is that we notice that most all other nations with significant excess deaths are just the same -- attributing them to Covid -- so....would that then mean most every nation in the world is making the same mistake and most all doctors from every nation, every culture.... ??

Of course, that's impossible, for 100 or more nations' doctors to participate in such a fake scheme.

So, the theory that is is just misreported cause of death isn't fitting the reports from around the world.

@Jaxxi

 

[Wolseley]

If it's so harmless why are so many hospitals nearing or at capacity to handle covid, there is currently 76k people in hospitals across the us with covid.

Media-induced hysteria. People are convinced if they catch Covid, they're going to die a horrible death, because that's what the talking head on MSNBC told them to think. (shrug)

 

[Wolseley]

Slobbering moron? Well, you seem to be a smarter guy than your arguments indicate.

No, that can't possibly be accurate....I'm a pro-Trump conservative, after all, so I can't possibly have too much going on upstairs.

Besides which, such views make me dangerous to public safety and good morals---I am potentially an Enemy of the State, so it would be well for all concerned if I was immediately reported to the Committee for State Security, and sent to one of those Democrocialist concentration camps that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is mapping out in her imagination.

To the Everlasting Glory of the Socialist System, Comrades!

 

[loveofourlord]

Media-induced hysteria. People are convinced if they catch Covid, they're going to die a horrible death, because that's what the talking head on MSNBC told them to think. (shrug)

You do know this kind of stuff is half a year out of date? We know that even young children end up harmed by covid, they don't die, but they are still looking at potentially life long breathing problems and other issues. DEATH isn't the only reason to be worried about these deadly diseases. Your calousness and ignorance on the subject dooms many Americans to lifelong athma and other issues because your too concieted to wear masks or do anything that helps stop the fight.

 

[chad kincham]

you forget that was like 7 months ago.

And you really need to learn what your talking about virus is small SPIT isn't which is where the virus is carried. Stop talking nonsense if you want to be taken seriously and stop using months old lies.

You’re the one who doesn’t know the truth.

The reason they say not to wear masks is that people infect themselves anyway taking them off and putting them on, especially if they touch their eyes with their hands - and the CDC covered the spittle problem by saying to sneeze into the crook of your arm.

And the spittle problem from sneezing hasn’t changed any from every prior viral epidemic in history, where they said NOT to wear masks, because they aren’t effective for the public to use.

 

[loveofourlord]

You’re the one who doesn’t know the truth.

The reason they say not to wear masks is that people infect themselves anyway taking them off and putting them on, especially if they touch their eyes with their hands - and the CDC covered the spittle problem by saying to sneeze into the crook of your arm.

And the spittle problem from sneezing hasn’t changed any from every prior viral epidemic in history, where they said NOT to wear masks, because they aren’t effective for the public to use.

Keep up the lies I'm sure god will be happy with all the deaths you guys spread and cause with misinformation.

 

[chad kincham]

VS the head in the sand pretending that there isn't 4X's as many people dying this year from covid in the US then the worst flu from a few years ago. You guys are the ones denying reality, rather pretend it's all okay then actually care about lives. So easy to whine about abortion and such but when it's your turn to save lives, suddenly you don't care.

There aren’t four times as many people dying.

They are purposely inflating death numbers to keep the public scared - as has been reported by doctors, they are told to report deaths from other causes as COVID deaths.

Just as doctors and nurses have reported that hospitals were actually laying off staff from not enough business, because all elective surgeries stopped, and people were scared to even go to the ER.

Trump sent a hospital ship to NY which supposedly had the highest case load from COVID and it sat there empty and unused.

It has a 99% recovery rate, and 80% only get mild symptoms and nothing more, plus it doesn’t kill children like the flu does.

Yet they are trying to keep the schools shut down, and churches, and in fact want another nationwide lockdown.

 

[loveofourlord]

There aren’t four times as many people dying.

They are purposely inflating death numbers to keep the public scared - as has been reported by doctors, they are told to report deaths from other causes as COVID deaths.

Just as doctors and nurses have reported that hospitals were actually laying off staff from not enough business, because all elective surgeries stopped, and people were scared to even go to the ER.

Trump sent a hospital ship to NY which supposedly had the highest case load from COVID and it sat there empty and unused.

It has a 99% recovery rate, and 80% only get mild symptoms and nothing more, plus it doesn’t kill children like the flu does.

Yet they are trying to keep the schools shut down, and churches, and in fact want another nationwide lockdown.

STOP WITH THE LIES. For petes sakes your really disgusting right now.

You do know that covid patients are a massive strain on both supplies and personal, that having beds open does not equal having beds for covid patients. Many hospitals are near, or are maxed right now. Nearly 2k deaths today and your way of helping is to spread lies debunked many times.

 

[loveofourlord]

There aren’t four times as many people dying.

They are purposely inflating death numbers to keep the public scared - as has been reported by doctors, they are told to report deaths from other causes as COVID deaths.

Just as doctors and nurses have reported that hospitals were actually laying off staff from not enough business, because all elective surgeries stopped, and people were scared to even go to the ER.

Trump sent a hospital ship to NY which supposedly had the highest case load from COVID and it sat there empty and unused.

It has a 99% recovery rate, and 80% only get mild symptoms and nothing more, plus it doesn’t kill children like the flu does.

Yet they are trying to keep the schools shut down, and churches, and in fact want another nationwide lockdown.

and stop with the half truth about children not dying, yeah they don't but they still get sick and still have lung damage. This was debunked MONTHS ago.

 

[Halbhh]

Media-induced hysteria. People are convinced if they catch Covid, they're going to die a horrible death, because that's what the talking head on MSNBC told them to think. (shrug)

Why not travel over to your nearest hospital big enough to have a 24hr ER and Intensive Care Unit (ICU) , and find out yourself whether of not they are seeing a surge in patients.

Or watch your local TV news from the nearest bigger city -- the local news reporting of local reporters that live in your area (usually within 50 or 100 miles for many people).

 

[chad kincham]

Keep up the lies I'm sure god will be happy with all the deaths you guys spread and cause with misinformation.

Though they scrubbed all the CDC prior articles from when COVID started, I found a February archive on business website which shows then saying masks are ineffective and WHY they’re not effective - which hasn’t changed, BTW.

Quote:

Though health officials have warned Americans to prepare for the spread of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., people shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent the spread of the infectious illness, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. surgeon general.


But that’s not the only reason Americans may want to think twice about using masks, one expert told MarketWatch.


Most people don’t know how to use face masks correctly, and a rush to buy masks could prevent the people who need them most — health care providers — from getting them, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!,” wrote Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Twitter TWTR, +1.12%


Adalja applauded the CDC’s recommendation on face masks. “Even during H1N1 [flu epidemic], there was no recommendation to wear face masks,” he said. They “end up creating a false sense of security and most people don’t wear them appropriately,” he said.

People who are not in the medical field who wear the masks often come in contact with germs when they lift the mask up to eat or slip their fingers under the mask to blow their nose, he said.


Panic-driven demand for face masks, Adalja said, is particularly worrisome because it could have “a negative supply shock” effect on hospital personnel who need these masks more than the general public.


Like the surgeon general, Adalja said, “the best ways [for the general public] to protect themselves are the basic hygienic measures.” That includes washing your hands regularly and covering sneezes and coughs. But if you are “sick and need to go out you should wear a mask.”


Instead of wearing face masks, the general public should “be vigilant to the symptoms and signs of this novel coronavirus, that is, a fever and cough, and if you have those symptoms, please call your health-care provider,” Messonnier said last month.


“We want our actions to be evidence-based and appropriate to the current circumstance,” she said, which she said did not justify the use of face masks for people who have not been directly exposed to the virus.


There are still many unknowns about how this strain of coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, spreads, but when person-to-person spread has occurred in the past, “it is thought to have happened via respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread,” the CDC said on its website.


Like the CDC, the World Health Organization advisespeople to wear a mask only if they are displaying symptoms of coronavirus or “taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.”

 

[loveofourlord]

Though they scrubbed all the CDC prior articles from when COVID started, I found a February archive on business website which shows then saying masks are ineffective and WHY they’re not effective - which hasn’t changed, BTW.

Quote:

Though health officials have warned Americans to prepare for the spread of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., people shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent the spread of the infectious illness, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. surgeon general.


But that’s not the only reason Americans may want to think twice about using masks, one expert told MarketWatch.


Most people don’t know how to use face masks correctly, and a rush to buy masks could prevent the people who need them most — health care providers — from getting them, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!,” wrote Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Twitter TWTR, +1.12%


Adalja applauded the CDC’s recommendation on face masks. “Even during H1N1 [flu epidemic], there was no recommendation to wear face masks,” he said. They “end up creating a false sense of security and most people don’t wear them appropriately,” he said.

People who are not in the medical field who wear the masks often come in contact with germs when they lift the mask up to eat or slip their fingers under the mask to blow their nose, he said.


Panic-driven demand for face masks, Adalja said, is particularly worrisome because it could have “a negative supply shock” effect on hospital personnel who need these masks more than the general public.


Like the surgeon general, Adalja said, “the best ways [for the general public] to protect themselves are the basic hygienic measures.” That includes washing your hands regularly and covering sneezes and coughs. But if you are “sick and need to go out you should wear a mask.”


Instead of wearing face masks, the general public should “be vigilant to the symptoms and signs of this novel coronavirus, that is, a fever and cough, and if you have those symptoms, please call your health-care provider,” Messonnier said last month.


“We want our actions to be evidence-based and appropriate to the current circumstance,” she said, which she said did not justify the use of face masks for people who have not been directly exposed to the virus.


There are still many unknowns about how this strain of coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, spreads, but when person-to-person spread has occurred in the past, “it is thought to have happened via respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread,” the CDC said on its website.


Like the CDC, the World Health Organization advisespeople to wear a mask only if they are displaying symptoms of coronavirus or “taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.”

Nice try it's since been changed as we know better now, but keep spreading misinformation and lies from months ago. Really shows how credible you guys are. Nearly 2k dead today but keep it up.

 

[Halbhh]

Though they scrubbed all the CDC prior articles from when COVID started, I found a February archive on business website which shows then saying masks are ineffective and WHY they’re not effective - which hasn’t changed, BTW.

Quote:

Though health officials have warned Americans to prepare for the spread of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., people shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent the spread of the infectious illness, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. surgeon general.


But that’s not the only reason Americans may want to think twice about using masks, one expert told MarketWatch.


Most people don’t know how to use face masks correctly, and a rush to buy masks could prevent the people who need them most — health care providers — from getting them, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!,” wrote Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Twitter TWTR, +1.12%


Adalja applauded the CDC’s recommendation on face masks. “Even during H1N1 [flu epidemic], there was no recommendation to wear face masks,” he said. They “end up creating a false sense of security and most people don’t wear them appropriately,” he said.

People who are not in the medical field who wear the masks often come in contact with germs when they lift the mask up to eat or slip their fingers under the mask to blow their nose, he said.


Panic-driven demand for face masks, Adalja said, is particularly worrisome because it could have “a negative supply shock” effect on hospital personnel who need these masks more than the general public.


Like the surgeon general, Adalja said, “the best ways [for the general public] to protect themselves are the basic hygienic measures.” That includes washing your hands regularly and covering sneezes and coughs. But if you are “sick and need to go out you should wear a mask.”


Instead of wearing face masks, the general public should “be vigilant to the symptoms and signs of this novel coronavirus, that is, a fever and cough, and if you have those symptoms, please call your health-care provider,” Messonnier said last month.


“We want our actions to be evidence-based and appropriate to the current circumstance,” she said, which she said did not justify the use of face masks for people who have not been directly exposed to the virus.


There are still many unknowns about how this strain of coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, spreads, but when person-to-person spread has occurred in the past, “it is thought to have happened via respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread,” the CDC said on its website.


Like the CDC, the World Health Organization advisespeople to wear a mask only if they are displaying symptoms of coronavirus or “taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.”

Go without a mask indoors with a large group of people not in your household for more than just a very brief time, and you are increasingly likely as the pandemic intensifies lately to end up severely ill. Worse if you are over 50 or significantly overweight, or other common risk factors.

Right now.

 

[loveofourlord]

Go without a mask indoors with a large group of people not in your household for more than just a very brief time, and you are increasingly likely late to end up severely ill. Worse if you are over 50 or significantly overweight, or other common risk factors.

Right now.

these guys are really ticking me off on a day that US has had the worst day in 6 months.

 

[Wolseley]

You do know this kind of stuff is half a year out of date? We know that even young children end up harmed by covid, they don't die, but they are still looking at potentially life long breathing problems and other issues. DEATH isn't the only reason to be worried about these deadly diseases. Your calousness and ignorance on the subject dooms many Americans to lifelong athma and other issues because your too concieted to wear masks or do anything that helps stop the fight.

You wanna talk about callousness? There are 3,000 infants which are aborted every day in this country. Three. Thousand. This adds up to approximately 100,000 children who are murdered every year in this country.

How much bellyaching do you do about that, friend? Are you doing your part to stop the slaughter? If not, why? Don't you care about 3,000 kids being killed every day? Are you that callous?

I'm a veteran. 100% disabled due to physical and psychological conditions acquired during my service. Before this virus hit, there were approximately 22 veterans who committed suicide every day. Every. Day. Why? Because they couldn't get the help they needed. The VA hospitals are overcrowded, and not just because of a pandemic; they're always overcrowded.

Navigating through the VA healthcare system is a daunting task, even for somebody who's been in the system and knows what they're doing. For a guy who's been back from Iraq four months, who can't sleep at night, who dives for the floor at every loud noise, who wakes up screaming in the middle of the night, who has flashbacks to the trauma he experienced from having to shoot some 16-year old kid in the face with a rifle, who's drinking too much, and who feels he's possibly losing his friggin' marbles, trying to navigate that system might be damn near impossible.

And even if he does get through, there's a backlog. I've been trying to get my right foot looked at since August. August. You know why I can't get in to have it seen? Because of the pandemic. But that's just an injured foot. Back in March, 22 veterans a day were giving up and blowing their own brains out. Ever since this virus hogwash got started, that number has increased more than 800%. Do the math. You have guys who weren't in good shape to begin with, who are now living in enforced isolation, quarantine, who are forced to wear masks they find claustrophobic and restrictive, and who now have to wait MONTHS to be seen by a VA doctor. Too many of them just can't wait that long. They despair, they give up, and they blow their brains out. Their crime? They served this country honorably, protecting American citizens.

Do you do anything for the veterans? Volunteer at crisis centers? Agree to help out at veteran's groups? Put the word out that you're willing to even just talk if somebody needs it? If not, why? Are you so callous that you don't care if this nation abandons its own heroes and doesn't care if they reach a breaking point and off themselves because they can't get help?

Callousness? Don't talk to me about callousness, boy. I wrote the friggin' book on callousness. I've received a lot of it---most of it from smarmy, self-righteous, virtue-signaling liberal snowflakes who like to pretend to themselves that because they wear a mask every day and campaign to ban plastic straws for the benefit of sea turtles that they're actually making a difference, while actually doing something difficult and substantial that might really help save somebody's life never enters their skulls, because "Reasons".

Callousness? Go home and grow up.

 

[chad kincham]

STOP WITH THE LIES. For petes sakes your really disgusting right now.

You do know that covid patients are a massive strain on both supplies and personal, that having beds open does not equal having beds for covid patients. Many hospitals are near, or are maxed right now. Nearly 2k deaths today and your way of helping is to spread lies debunked many times.

Debunked by who?

Not by the many doctors and nurses who have reported exactly what I said they did.

and stop with the half truth about children not dying, yeah they don't but they still get sick and still have lung damage. This was debunked MONTHS ago.

Debunked my foot. There’s fake fact checking ran by fake news, all over the place.

Children don’t get it at all if they are healthy.

 

[loveofourlord]

You wanna talk about callousness? There are 3,000 infants which are aborted every day in this country. Three. Thousand. This adds up to approximately 100,000 children who are murdered every year in this country.

How much bellyaching do you do about that, friend? Are you doing your part to stop the slaughter? If not, why? Don't you care about 3,000 kids being killed every day? Are you that callous?

I'm a veteran. 100% disabled due to physical and psychological conditions acquired during my service. Before this virus hit, there were approximately 22 veterans who committed suicide every day. Every. Day. Why? Because they couldn't get the help they needed. The VA hospitals are overcrowded, and not just because of a pandemic; they're always overcrowded.

Navigating through the VA healthcare system is a daunting task, even for somebody who's been in the system and knows what they're doing. For a guy who's been back from Iraq four months, who can't sleep at night, who dives for the floor at every loud noise, who wakes up screaming in the middle of the night, who has flashbacks to the trauma he experienced from having to shoot some 16-year old kid in the face with a rifle, who's drinking too much, and who feels he's possibly losing his friggin' marbles, trying to navigate that system might be damn near impossible.

And even if he does get through, there's a backlog. I've been trying to get my right foot looked at since August. August. You know why I can't get in to have it seen? Because of the pandemic. But that's just an injured foot. Back in March, 22 veterans a day were giving up and blowing their own brains out. Ever since this virus hogwash got started, that number has increased more than 800%. Do the math. You have guys who weren't in good shape to begin with, who are now living in enforced isolation, quarantine, who are forced to wear masks they find claustrophobic and restrictive, and who now have to wait MONTHS to be seen by a VA doctor. Too many of them just can't wait that long. They despair, they give up, and they blow their brains out. Their crime? They served this country honorably, protecting American citizens.

Do you do anything for the veterans? Volunteer at crisis centers? Agree to help out at veteran's groups? Put the word out that you're willing to even just talk if somebody needs it? If not, why? Are you so callous that you don't care if this nation abandons its own heroes and doesn't care if they reach a breaking point and off themselves because they can't get help?

Callousness? Don't talk to me about callousness, boy. I wrote the friggin' book on callousness. I've received a lot of it---most of it from smarmy, self-righteous, virtue-signaling liberal snowflakes who like to pretend to themselves that because they wear a mask every day and campaign to ban plastic straws for the benefit of sea turtles that they're actually making a difference, while actually doing something difficult and substantial that might really help save somebody's life never enters their skulls, because "Reasons".

Callousness? Go home and grow up.

Sorry you lost the right to talk about abortion when you care nothing about the people dying every day because your doing nothing to prevent it. That has long since gone.

 

[Wolseley]

Sorry you lost the right to talk about abortion when you care nothing about the people dying every day because your doing nothing to prevent it. That has long since gone.

Yeah, it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it? You don't need to worry about me. You need to worry about yourself.

Forget it. I've dealt with your type before, and it's always the same drill. Impossible to talk sense because there's always the manufactured outrage. Consider yourself blocked, kid. No need to reply because I won't see it anyway. I do not desire further contact with you and I will conduct myself accordingly. I hereby demand the same consideration from you. Maybe someday after you've grown up you might possibly get it. But I doubt it.

Good luck on your fight with the world. You'll need it.