Tyndale and defying the Pope

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I wish I had the same perspective, but I find your & my definition of "the Church" at odds.

Yes Rick, we do each hold very different definitions of the Church; God holds only one; and that one may very well be somewhere between yours and mine. I, however, am convicted that mine is right; and for you, it's yours.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Seems to me that William Tyndale was defying the English king (Henry VIII) first and foremost and it was his defiance of the king that got him into enough trouble to be executed, but be that as it may he also defied the Catholic Church's rulings.

They were rather harsh with one another in those days.

I am not sure why William Tyndale is elevated to the status of a hero by some and denigrated to the status of a demon by others. Seems to me that he did what he did and paid with his life for it.

 

[Rick Otto]

This plow boy thinks he did a good thing.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This plow boy thinks he did a good thing.

I hadn't heard that you are a farmer or a rural employee; what kind of plowing equipment do you use?

 

[Rick Otto]

I hadn't heard that you are a farmer or a rural employee; what kind of plowing equipment do you use?

KJV.
lol, I was referencing a 'famous' Tyndale quote, but you knew that, right?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I hadn't heard that you are a farmer or a rural employee; what kind of plowing equipment do you use?

KJV.
lol, I was referencing a 'famous' Tyndale quote, but you knew that, right?

Yes, I did know that you were alluding to the adage - but I am not sure that it is something that William Tyndale ever said. I believe that the saying was coined by Foxe in his book of martyrs and attributed to Tyndale, but maybe Foxe was accurate and perhaps Tyndale did say it ... who knows?

I defy the Pope, and all his laws; and if God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause the boy that driveth the plow to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost!​

Do you believe that you know more of the scriptures than the "blasphemous clergyman" in Foxe's story?

PS: The KJV would not make a good plow and using it as a plow would be a little bit scandalous.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Skybringr

Tyndale..

You know, Joan of Arc was burned at the stake.

Compare and contrast Joan, a definitively Catholic saint, to Tyndale.
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Joan had a vision & got involved in factioned regional politics within the established authority structure.
"Twenty-five years after her execution, an inquisitorial court authorized by Pope Callixtus III examined the trial, pronounced her innocent, and declared her a martyr." -Wiki

Tyndale's confrontation with the infallible Roman hierarchy was more timeless & global, if not cosmic.

I think it is time to award Tyndale the Medal of Valor, posthumously

1Sa 16:18
Then one of the young men said, “Behold! I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is a skillful musician, a mighty man of valor, a warrior, one prudent in speech, and a handsome man; and the LORD is with him.”



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[bbbbbbb]

I think it is time to award Tyndale the Medal of Valor, posthumously

1Sa 16:18
Then one of the young men said, “Behold! I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is a skillful musician, a mighty man of valor, a warrior, one prudent in speech, and a handsome man; and the LORD is with him.”



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Agreed!

 

[childofdust]

A clergyman hopelessly entrenched in Roman Catholic dogma once taunted Tyndale with the statement, “We are better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s”.

Tyndale was infuriated by such Roman Catholic heresies, and he replied, “I defy the Pope and all his laws.
If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”

A fascinating quote. I've read it before. But I don't believe I've ever seen where it actually comes from. Fox' Book of Martyrs? It could be nothing more than a "George Washington chopping down the cherry tree" kind of story.

I will say one thing though... If you have one person inflicting violence upon someone else, and both of them claim to be Christian... you instantly and immediately know which one is the follower of Christ and which one isn't.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I think it is time to award Tyndale the Medal of Valor, posthumously

1Sa 16:18
Then one of the young men said, “Behold! I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is a skillful musician, a mighty man of valor, a warrior, one prudent in speech, and a handsome man; and the LORD is with him.”


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Agreed!

All in favor say "AYE"



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[brinny]

Aye!!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Aye!

 

[Targaryen]

there is no fifth option of Tyndale was right to produce a Bible in a language other then Latin in the western world.
Rejecting Catholicism has nothing to do with Tyndale's contributions to the Bible as we know it.

 

[Rick Otto]

there is no fifth option of Tyndale was right to produce a Bible in a language other then Latin in the western world.
Rejecting Catholicism has nothing to do with Tyndale's contributions to the Bible as we know it.

Wow. That's a disconnect of biblical proportion, as well as a not so subtle misdirection.

Tyndale giving public access to scripture was to the papacy what Edward Snowdon is to the nsa.

...And his contribution was to society, not to the bible.

 

[Rick Otto]

Aye!!!

Yo!


...wha? Are we pirates?

 

[brinny]

see post #550

 

[Rick Otto]

see post #550

Aye!

 

[brinny]

hahahaaaaa!

 

[Targaryen]

Wow. That's a disconnect of biblical proportion, as well as a not so subtle misdirection.

Tyndale giving public access to scripture was to the papacy what Edward Snowdon is to the nsa.

...And his contribution was to society, not to the bible.

How is it a disconnect of biblical proportion when I said that there was no fifth option in the poll?

Re-read then comment.




Oh right, that gets in the way of your conspiracy theory type of nonsense, doesn't it?

 

[Rick Otto]

How is it a disconnect of biblical proportion when I said that there was no fifth option in the poll?

Re-read then comment.




Oh right, that gets in the way of your conspiracy theory type of nonsense, doesn't it?

Yes, anything that doesn't fit your happy accident theory of history is nonsense, I realize that now.

Re-read your post. Tyndale was rejecting Catholic policy,... in fact he was defying it.
Your disconnect of that fact is nonsensical in the extreme.