Tyndale and defying the Pope

[Targaryen]

Yes, anything that doesn't fit your happy accident theory of history is nonsense, I realize that now.

Re-read your post. Tyndale was rejecting Catholic policy,... in fact he was defying it.
Your disconnect of that fact is nonsensical in the extreme.

He wanted to publish a bible in English, which yes did go against the church...of the day. The point of him wanting that is not withstanding the church saying yay or nay.

So, again, no fifth option. sorry I don't jump through your hoops, but I prefer to deal in fact then suppositions.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Aye!

Nay.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Tyndale was to be executed on the order of his king (Henry VIII) but he fled the country and was later executed by strangulation on the order of the Spanish empire's authorities.

 

[Targaryen]

Tyndale was to be executed on the order of his king (Henry VIII) but he fled the country and was later executed by strangulation on the order of the Spanish empire's authorities.

Exactly...a shame either way. But, more due to political alliances at the time then the Catholic church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Exactly...a shame either way. But, more due to political alliances at the time than the Catholic church.

I am fairly sure that the Catholic bishops in England and Spain regarded him as a heretic, some of them probably would have been glad when he was executed.

 

[Targaryen]

Most likely, which is kind of amazing in retrospect that only a few years later, England undergoes a Reformation by force, in a sense anyway.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Most likely, which is kind of amazing in retrospect that only a few years later, England undergoes a Reformation by force, in a sense anyway.

Well, not too surprising since any bishops that resisted the king's "great matter" were either executed of driven from office or poisoned. LIfe in those days was at the behest of the king.

 

[Rick Otto]

He wanted to publish a bible in English, which yes did go against the church...of the day. The point of him wanting that is not withstanding the church saying yay or nay.

So, again, no fifth option. sorry I don't jump through your hoops, but I prefer to deal in fact then suppositions.

The suppositions you've accepted as facts are what lead you to see reality as hoops.
Papal pretension to power was the fact that defined Tyndale's circumstances.
And it still exists, but that fact isn't for public consumption, is it.

 

[Rick Otto]

Most likely, which is kind of amazing in retrospect that only a few years later, England undergoes a Reformation by force, in a sense anyway.

The beauty of Protestantism is that it is free to learn from these errors rather than sacrifice intellectual integrity to defend a seriously misguided notion of error free purity; and that based on ignorance of the gates of hell being the name of the place they were standing next to in Ceasarea.
From there proceeds willfull ignorance.

 

[Rick Otto]

I am fairly sure that the Catholic bishops in England and Spain regarded him as a heretic, some of them probably would have been glad when he was executed.

Funny how that works.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

I am fairly sure that the Catholic bishops in England and Spain regarded him as a heretic, some of them probably would have been glad when he was executed.
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No doubt......

Funny how that works.

Not for those tortured and executed for ALLEGED heresy.......

Long live the BULL?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7489210-13/#post55429238
Is the bull ExSurge Domine still standing today?

Originally Posted by rawson For pity's sake , let's put the papal bull on the fire and leave the heretics free to live , which is their God-given right , regardless of what any bull says .

Originally Posted by LivingWordUnity

As I pointed out in post #26 of this thread, there is nothing wrong with the papal bull. And the bull allows for the heretics to live.
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[Targaryen]

The beauty of Protestantism is that it is free to learn from these errors rather than sacrifice intellectual integrity to defend a seriously misguided notion of error free purity; and that based on ignorance of the gates of hell being the name of the place they were standing next to in Ceasarea.
From there proceeds willfull ignorance.

Protestantism is hardly free of error.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The point is, go to the Bible with its clear teaching about the blessed person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ ('once offered to bear the sins of many' Hebrews 9.28; 'For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified' Hebrews 10.14) rather than have to rely on religious leaders.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Protestantism is hardly free of error.

Quite true, but Protestantism has an entirely different method of dealing with error than does Rome, thanks, in part, to Tyndale.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Quite true, but Protestantism has an entirely different method of dealing with error than does Rome, thanks, in part, to Tyndale.

..and through the divine enabling of other Bible translators in many languages also.

 

[Rick Otto]

Exactly...a shame either way. But, more due to political alliances at the time then the Catholic church.

The Catholic church was the cause of political alliances.
Wow. I've yet to see your match for getting these things exactly backward.

 

[Rick Otto]

The point is, go to the Bible with its clear teaching about the blessed person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ ('once offered to bear the sins of many' Hebrews 9.28; 'For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified' Hebrews 10.14) rather than have to rely on religious leaders.

Right on. Relying on religious leaders is so OT.

 

[Rick Otto]

Protestantism is hardly free of error.

Right.
We are free of lying about it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

The beauty of Protestantism is that it is free to learn from these errors rather than sacrifice intellectual integrity to defend a seriously misguided notion of error free purity; and that based on ignorance of the gates of hell being the name of the place they were standing next to in Ceasarea.
From there proceeds willfull ignorance.
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Protestantism is hardly free of error.

Who has claimed it is?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7291830-120/
Protestant errors and inventions

These errors and inventions are not Biblcal and are not part of historic Christianity.

Total Depravity of Man
Enthroning the Bible in your Heart
Ask Jesus into Your Heart
The Rapture
Altar Call
Eternal Security
"Once Saved Always Saved"
Sola Fide - Salvation by "Faith Alone"
Sola Scriptura - "Bible Alone"

Quite true, but Protestantism has an entirely different method of dealing with error than does Rome, thanks, in part, to Tyndale.

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[Rhamiel]

Quite true, but Protestantism has an entirely different method of dealing with error than does Rome, thanks, in part, to Tyndale.

someone should have told that to Cromwell