Tyndale and defying the Pope

[SwordFall]

Was Tyndale the only Reformer to go against Roman Catholic dogma/doctrines?
And how do others here view him? Thanks

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/william-tyndale.html

A clergyman hopelessly entrenched in Roman Catholic dogma once taunted Tyndale with the statement, “We are better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s”.

Tyndale was infuriated by such Roman Catholic heresies, and he replied, “I defy the Pope and all his laws.
If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”


Tyndale was then strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard, Oct. 6, 1536. His last words were, "Lord, open the king of England's eyes." This prayer was answered three years later, in the publication of King Henry VIII’s 1539 English “Great Bible”.

Well simply put, I am not that man.

King Henry VIII murdered his wife.
We pretend like he didn't, but he did.
He was a bad guy behind his alleged sainthood. Anglicans can argue it all night, but they may as well be talking about pulling swords out of stone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well simply put, I am not that man.

King Henry VIII murdered his wife.
We pretend like he didn't, but he did.
He was a bad guy behind his alleged sainthood. Anglicans can argue it all night, but they may as well be talking about pulling swords out of stone.

Thanks for responding and voting.

I noticed you voted W. Tyndale was a heretic.
How much do you actually know about him?



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[SwordFall]

Thanks for responding and voting.

I noticed you voted W. Tyndale was a heretic.
How much do you actually know about him?



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Really?

I know too much about Tyndale.
I have his biography on a shelf about five feet from where I'm sitting

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Thanks for responding and voting.

I noticed you voted W. Tyndale was a heretic.
How much do you actually know about him
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Really?

I know too much about Tyndale.
I have his biography on a shelf about five feet from where I'm sitting

So could you explain why you feel he was a heretic?


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[SwordFall]

So could you explain why you feel he was a heretic?


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Maybe it has to do with the fact that I'm ROMAN CATHOLIC.

He was ran out of Germany for his anti-Catholicism, and made Protestant translations of the Bible which are basically questionable by default.

But he's your martyr, I suppose_

 

[everready]

The Life and Story of the True Servant and Martyr of God,

William Tyndale

We have now to enter into the story of the good martyr of God, William Tyndale; which William Tyndale, as he was a special organ of the Lord appointed, and as God's mattock to shake the inward roots and foundation of the pope's proud prelacy, so the great prince of darkness, with his impious imps, having a special malice against him, left no way unsought how craftily to entrap him, and falsely to betray him, and maliciously to spill his life, as by the process of his story here following may appear.

William Tyndale, the faithful minister of Christ, was born about the borders of Wales, and brought up from a child in the University of Oxford, where he, by long continuance, increased as well in the knowledge of tongues, and other liberal arts, as especially in the knowledge of the Scriptures, whereunto his mind was singularly addicted; insomuch that he, lying then in Magdalen Hall, read privily to certain students and fellows of Magdalen College some parcel of divinity; instructing them in the knowledge and truth of the Scriptures. His manners and conversation being correspondent to the same, were such that all they that knew him reputed him to be a man of most virtuous disposition, and of life unspotted.

Thus he, in the University of Oxford, increasing more and more in learning, and proceeding in degrees of the schools, spying his time, removed from thence to the University of Cambridge, where he likewise made his abode a certain space. Being now further ripened in the knowledge of God's Word, leaving that university, he resorted to one Master Welch, a knight of Gloucestershire, and was there schoolmaster to his children, and in good favor with his master. As this gentleman kept a good ordinary commonly at his table, there resorted to him many times sundry abbots, deans, archdeacons, with divers other doctors, and great beneficed men; who there, together with Master Tyndale siting at the same table, did use many times to enter communication, and talk of learned men, as of Luther and of Erasmus; also of divers other controversies and questions upon the Scripture.

CHAPTER 12

 

[everready]

An Account of the Life of John Calvin

This reformer was born at Noyon in Picardy, July 10, 1509. He was instructed in grammar, learning at Paris under Maturinus Corderius, and studied philosophy in the College of Montaign under a Spanish professor.

His father, who discovered many marks of his early piety, particularly in his reprehensions of the vices of his companions, designed him at first for the Church, and got him presented, May 21, 1521, to the chapel of Notre Dame de la Gesine, in the Church of Noyon. In 1527 he was presented to the rectory of Marseville, which he exchanged in 1529 for the rectory of Point l'Eveque, near Noyon. His father afterward changed his resolution, and would have him study law; to which Calvin, who, by reading the Scriptures, had conceived a dislike to the superstitions of popery, readily consented, and resigned the chapel of Gesine and the rectory of Pont l'Eveque, in 1534. He made a great progress in that science, and improved no less in the knowledge of divinity by his private studies. At Bourges he applied to the Greek tongue, under the direction of Professor Wolmar.

His father's death having called him back to Noyon, he stayed there a short time, and then went to Paris, where a speech of Nicholas Cop, rector of the University of Paris, of which Calvin furnished the materials, having greatly displeased the Sorbonne and the parliament, gave rise to a persecution against the Protestants, and Calvin, who narrowly escaped being taken in the College of Forteret, was forced to retire to Xaintonge, after having had the honor to be introduced to the queen of Navarre, who had raised this first storm against the Protestants.

Calvin returned to Paris in 1534. This year the reformed met with severe treatment, which determined him to leave France, after publishing a treatise against those who believed that departed souls are in a kind of sleep. He retired to Basel, where he studied Hebrew: at this time he published his Institutions of the Christian Religion; a work well adapted to spread his fame, though he himself was desirous of living in obscurity. It is dedicated to the French king, Francis I. Calvin next wrote an apology for the Protestants who were burnt for their religion in France. After the publication of this work, Calvin went to Italy to pay a visit to the duchess of Ferrara, a lady of eminent piety, by whom he was very kindly received.

CHAPTER 13

 

[Rhamiel]

Well simply put, I am not that man.

King Henry VIII murdered his wife.
We pretend like he didn't, but he did.
He was a bad guy behind his alleged sainthood. Anglicans can argue it all night, but they may as well be talking about pulling swords out of stone.

many Anglicans try to distance themselves from good ol wife murderin Henry
they look at earlier periods of the Catholic Church in England as the "true birth" of the Anglican Church and they look at latter, more theological Protestant Reformers as the ones who gave the Anglican Church it's more modern qualities

 

[ebia]

Well simply put, I am not that man. King Henry VIII murdered his wife. We pretend like he didn't, but he did. He was a bad guy behind his alleged sainthood. Anglicans can argue it all night, but they may as well be talking about pulling swords out of stone.

I'm not aware of anyone, Anglican or otherwise, who thinks Henry Tudor was a saint. The only King of England that makes the CofE calendar is Charles the Martyr so far as I'm aware; Henry Tudor certainly doesn't.

 

[WisdomTree]

Another thread resurrection?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

So could you explain why you feel he was a heretic?
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Maybe it has to do with the fact that I'm ROMAN CATHOLIC.

He was ran out of Germany for his anti-Catholicism, and made Protestant translations of the Bible which are basically questionable by default.

Ahhhh.......

But he's your martyr, I suppose

Actually, he is my patron Saint.
Who is yours?


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[rockytopva]

If I had to list my favorite post NT characters it would be...

1. John Wycliffe (1320) - Translated the New Testament
2. William Tyndale (1494) - Translated the whole bible
3. Martin Luther (1484) - Exposed the woman Jezebel
4. John Bunyan (1628) - Great author and foe of the Anglican church
5. John Wesley (1703) - Open air preaching - Pure Philadelphian church age!
6. Robert Sheffey (1802) - VA Saint of the Wilderness - Most like the Saint of Assisi!
7. Billy Graham - The last of the open air preachers of the Philadelphian church age!

 

[MoreCoffee]

If I had to list my favorite post NT characters it would be...

1. John Wycliffe (1320) - Translated the New Testament
2. William Tyndale (1494) - Translated the whole bible
3. Martin Luther (1484) - Exposed the woman Jezebel
4. John Bunyan (1628) - Great author and foe of the Anglican church
5. John Wesley (1703) - Open air preaching - Pure Philadelphian church age!
6. Robert Sheffey (1802) - VA Saint of the Wilderness - Most like the Saint of Assisi!
7. Billy Graham - The last of the open air preachers of the Philadelphian church age!

My favourites include:

1. Saint Peter the apostle, full of brash things to say and do but with a heart for God and wise through his mistakes.
2. Saint John the apostle, teacher of love and the first great theologian of the church age he teaches with a voice that is so powerful and clear that two thousand years has not dimmed it.
3. Saint Luke the evangelist who wrote a gospel and the acts of the apostles and whose voice still moves me to tears.
4. Saint Justin who was martyred and who defended the faith that had been delivered to him through the apostles and prophets of the new testament and whose testimony honours those who take it to heart.
5. Saint Athanasius who fought manfully against the rising tide of heresy in his day and whose testimony to the trinity and the incarnation of our Lord rings out a clarion note to our own day when once more heresy about the Blessed Trinity and the incarnation of our Lord have again arisen in the words of the many false prophets who have gone out into the world to teach.
6. Saint Ambrose of Milan whose words and teaching ring true today as they did when first he spoke them.
7. Saint Gregory the Great who taught truth that we need to receive today.
8. Saint Francis of Assisi who brought light back into the church when it had been darkened by worldly cares and politics.

Many more ought to be named, martyrs and saints, men and women of faith who lived and died for Christ. We ought to remember them and what they stood for.

 

[rockytopva]

My favourites include:

1. Saint Peter the apostle, full of brash things to say and do but with a heart for God and wise through his mistakes.
2. Saint John the apostle, teacher of love and the first great theologian of the church age he teaches with a voice that is so powerful and clear that two thousand years has not dimmed it.
3. Saint Luke the evangelist who wrote a gospel and the acts of the apostles and whose voice still moves me to tears.
4. Saint Justin who was martyred and who defended the faith that had been delivered to him through the apostles and prophets of the new testament and whose testimony honours those who take it to heart.
5. Saint Athanasius who fought manfully against the rising tide of heresy in his day and whose testimony to the trinity and the incarnation of our Lord rings out a clarion note to our own day when once more heresy about the Blessed Trinity and the incarnation of our Lord have again arisen in the words of the many false prophets who have gone out into the world to teach.
6. Saint Ambrose of Milan whose words and teaching ring true today as they did when first he spoke them.
7. Saint Gregory the Great who taught truth that we need to receive today.
8. Saint Francis of Assisi who brought light back into the church when it had been darkened by worldly cares and politics.

Many more ought to be named, martyrs and saints, men and women of faith who lived and died for Christ. We ought to remember them and what they stood for.

All good names!

 

[ECHELON]

I voted that Tyndale did the right thing.

I am a protestant now but I was raised in a Catholic church. I really hate these types of discussions because no one back then had clean hands and there's absolutely nothing good that can come from digging up the past with such horrible stories. I'm not going to to participate in this disccuss after this post but I think the OP really needs to be fair about this. He should read this site and want to talk about some of the atrocities they speak about too if he wants to be honest.
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: The Protestant Inquisition: "Reformation" Intolerance and Persecution

Otherwise I suggest people forget and forgive all of these things in our past and work on unity instead of strife.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If I had to list my favorite post NT characters it would be...

1. John Wycliffe (1320) - Translated the New Testament
2. William Tyndale (1494) - Translated the whole bible
3. Martin Luther (1484) - Exposed the woman Jezebel
4. John Bunyan (1628) - Great author and foe of the Anglican church
5. John Wesley (1703) - Open air preaching - Pure Philadelphian church age!
6. Robert Sheffey (1802) - VA Saint of the Wilderness - Most like the Saint of Assisi!
7. Billy Graham - The last of the open air preachers of the Philadelphian church age!

Good list!

View Poll Results: Tyndale vs Roman Catholicism

Tyndale was right in rejecting Roman Catholicism

95 65.52%

Tyndale was wrong in rejecting Roman Catholicism

16 11.03%

Tyndale was a heretic

23 15.86%

Who the heck was Tyndale?

11 7.59%

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[SwordFall]

Ahhhh.......


Actually, he is my patron Saint.
Who is yours?


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I got bunches. Altogether, I have 3000+ saints over the past 2000 years, you can look them up
It just comes with being Roman Catholic, you adopt them all.

But my favorite saint would probably be St. Valentine. That was a remarkable man, right there. He was martyred in a very heinous way to, you know.

 

[Rhamiel]

St. Valentine is a good saint

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Ahhhh.......
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Actually, he is my patron Saint.
Who is yours?

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I got bunches. Altogether, I have 3000+ saints over the past 2000 years, you can look them up
It just comes with being Roman Catholic, you adopt them all.

But my favorite saint would probably be St. Valentine. That was a remarkable man, right there. He was martyred in a very heinous way to, you know.

St. Valentine is a good saint

Interesting person.......

Saint Valentine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.........Today, Saint Valentine's Day, also known as the Feast of Saint Valentine, is an official feast day in the Anglican Communion,[4] as well as in the Lutheran Church.[5]
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, Saint Valentine the Presbyter is celebrated on July 6[6] and Hieromartyr Valentine (Bishop of Interamna, Terni in Italy) is celebrated on July 30.[7]



Saint Valentine receives a rosary from the Virgin, by David Teniers III

Current poll results:

Tyndale vs Roman Catholicism Tyndale was right in rejecting Roman Catholicism

95 65.52%

Tyndale was wrong in rejecting Roman Catholicism

16 11.03%

Tyndale was a heretic

23 15.86%

Who the heck was Tyndale?

11 7.59%

 

[MoreCoffee]

Interesting person..........

Must be thread resurrection Sunday, right LLoJ?