Turkey downs Russian warplane near Syria border

[dogs4thewin]

He is your president

Yes, but that does not mean that all ( or even most Americans) support him.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria

Ronald Reagan approves

 

[smaneck]

I hope russia strikes back.

And go to war with Turkey? Not a smart idea. Remember, going to war with Afghanistan brought the entire Soviet Union down.

 

[smaneck]

Correction: Obama massively supports ISIS. America does not.

Proverbs 10:18

 

[smaneck]

If I were Putin, I'd level the Turk's Air Force. Sad that a Russian strongman formerly with the kgb is the only ones targeting isis.

Everyone is targeting ISIS. The difference is that the Russians target anyone who doesn't support Assad.

 

[PapaZoom]

Everyone is targeting ISIS. The difference is that the Russians target anyone who doesn't support Assad.

I don't get the reason for wanting to keep Assad in power.

 

[smaneck]

I don't get the reason for wanting to keep Assad in power.

Two reasons, I think.

1. Baathists have always had a close relationship with Russia going back to the Cold War.
2. Russia has always taken upon itself the protection of the Christian community in the Middle East. In fact, that is what started the Crimean War. The Baath Party was started by a Christian and has always protected the Christian community.

Of course, there is a third reason which applies to almost everyone. Who is there that can replace Assad?
I suspect that after ISIS is destroyed there is really going to be only one solution for both Syria and Iraq and that is partition, much as I hate the thought. The alternative seems to be genocide.

 

[PatrickT]

And go to war with Turkey? Not a smart idea. Remember, going to war with Afghanistan brought the entire Soviet Union down.

There is no need for war. Russia can send modern weapons to the kurds, end all tourism with turkey, which would cost them 3 million guests per year and simply continue to crush turkish assets in syria as well as shooting down any turkish airplne that crosses into syrian airspace.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Its ok "Assad is weak" they said. He'll be gone in a couple of weeks. Snigger. These political hot shots really know their stuff. Personally, I am tuning into meditation based smart targets with my semi precious stones. Class this as idiocy if you like, I dont mind at all. Peace people.

Specific .... measurable....achievable....realistic...etc etc etc

 

[Oafman]

I don't think this looks great for the Turks. Even if their claims are correct, in isolation it seems excessive to attack a plane that spends 17 seconds over your airspace. You can see from this diagram, that although the Turks claim the missile was launched while the Russian jet was technically over Turkey, there was not time for the missile to hit before the Russian jet was well over Syrian territory.

Turkey will claim that this was a recurring issue, and Russian jets had been repeatedly warned in the days leading up to it, and Turkey had specifically warned Russia through diplomatic channels.

What seems more likely is that Turkey got sick of Russian jets attacking their Turkmen proxies in Syria, and decided that as soon as one of those jets strayed over their airpsace, they were going to shoot at it.

For Putin, the worst thing about this is that he doesn't want it to be emphasised, particularly at home, that his air force is attacking Turkmen when it should be attacking 'terrorists'.

 

[HondaMan]

Russian marine that was sent to rescue downed pilots...killed on the way.

I can't comprehend the minds of these people. Are they deamon possesed??!

 

[wing2000]

What seems more likely is that Turkey got sick of Russian jets attacking their Turkmen proxies in Syria, and decided that as soon as one of those jets strayed over their airpsace, they were going to shoot at it.

Yes. And it should be noted the Russian bomber was not targeting ISIS....Putin has made some nice noises about bombing ISIS in Syria and that's about it. His real objective is to take out the Syrian groups opposed to Assad.

 

[PatrickT]

All groups oppossig Assad in Syria are ISIS. Its that easy. The american illussion about moderate terrorists is eitehr absolute idiocy or incompetence.

But i simply think USA created and funds ISIS. How else can you explain they grew this big?


Good thing is, that only USA supports their turkish dogs. All other NATO members did distance themself.

 

[PatrickT]

Yes. And it should be noted the Russian bomber was not targeting ISIS....Putin has made some nice noises about bombing ISIS in Syria and that's about it. His real objective is to take out the Syrian groups opposed to Assad.

There won´t be any turks left there in a few weeks. We are talking about russia here.

Best part will be that russia delivers heavy weapons to kurds to create some fun in turkey.

 

[smaneck]

There is no need for war. Russia can send modern weapons to the kurds, end all tourism with turkey, which would cost them 3 million guests per year and simply continue to crush turkish assets in syria as well as shooting down any turkish airplne that crosses into syrian airspace.

But only the latter would reinforce Putin's tough-guy thug image.

 

[antitox]

Turkey and Russia have been at odds for quite some time. Turkey is anti-Assad and they are going to be very touchy over Russia bombing near or on-the-border, especially with some of their people fighting in that area. That's why their border ground forces shot down one of the pilots when he parachuted.

They don't want Russia in that area and they especially don't want any aircraft overhead. Russia has also installed a base near the southern border of Turkey and it's liable to become a hotbed with this flaring up.

Russia has been doing this to expand their influence in the region.

 

[PatrickT]

Turkey and Russia have been at odds for quite some time. Turkey is anti-Assad and they are going to be very touchy over Russia bombing near or on-the-border, especially with some of their people fighting in that area. That's why their border ground forces shot down one of the pilots when he parachuted.

They don't want Russia in that area and they especially don't want any aircraft overhead. Russia has also installed a base near the southern border of Turkey and it's liable to become a hotbed with this flaring up.

Russia has been doing this to expand their influence in the region.

You forgot to mention that turkey sponsors terrorism, ISIS and islamism.

 

[Archivist]

You forgot to mention that turkey sponsors terrorism, ISIS and islamism.

You keep saying this. Any proof? Any evidence?

 

[HondaMan]

I hope Turkey doesn't get Turkeyed on Turkey Day.

 

[PatrickT]

You keep saying this. Any proof? Any evidence?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-st...hy-are-they-no-subjected-to-sanctions/5403310