Ah, yes. The national emergency.... The emergency was declared because Trump realized he wasn't going to get his wall. Not out of a heartfelt concern for the migrants coming over. Remember, these aren't their best people. They're "rapists and murderers" according to candidate and then President Trump. He got nothing done on this front save for a few wall swatches early on for PR and then suddenly when the Democrats took office he shutdown the government over funding for his wall he himself turned down earlier in his presidency. The only reason he stopped the shutdown he caused was because he wasn't going to give his SOTU speech. Once he saw his SOTU speech convinced no one of anything, he suddenly declares it an emergency.
And again, this was done mainly to get funding for his wall. That's cinder blocks, concrete and rebar. Not toothbrushes and soap.
I get what you're saying. It costs a lot of money to keep people in State custody. I get that. Obviously the goal should be to reduce to number of people in our custody and costs and stresses on the system will go down but the fact is, these people are here and they are wards of the state until something is done about them and until then, we have a responsibility to provide the very most basic elements of sanitation.
Nonsense. The left trying to address the problem does not mean give the president billions of dollars for his wall. That doesn't address the problem, it puts a bandaid on it.
That does nothing to help the people already in our custody and wont stop the flood of people on their way for years to come while it is being built. The president and Senate have both shutdown Democratic proposals to address the problem mainly because this issue plays well with their base. If you believe the Democrats are playing politics with this issue, why wouldn't you assume the Republicans are as well?
They turn down staying in Mexico because the fact is, Mexico isn't any better for them than Honduras or Guatemala were. Mainly because of the drug cartels that run that country, because of the business they do with their neighbors to the north. The United States.
This isn't an easy issue for any country to address on its own but the one country who stands the most chance at addressing it happens to also be the one that's mainly the cause of this entire mess.
You don't think I believe the president is responsible for things that happen in the United States? He's to blame, not just because he wanted to take up the mantle of leader but also because his administration has done everything in its power to politicize the issue because again, politics is being played on both sides. A government shutdown and a few tweets about an emergency at the border while at the same time shutting down talks with congressional leaders trying to address the problem is not indicative of someone who is trying to help the situation.
Yeah, and I still think he oversold the emergency. That's why they're letting things get out of hand.
If you saw a tiny ember burning and declared it an emergency fire then but also do nothing to put it out and let it grow and grow because you can then lay the blame at others, you're kind of an arsonist. Did you start the fire? No but you also didn't put it out when you had a chance.
I'm not really interested in what you believe about my concerns for asylum seekers in our custody. I blame the president because this is probably the single issue that got him elected and he has, as far as I can tell, let this problem grow over the last three years while he could have done something to address it instead of building wall swatches in San Diego. What a coincidence that we have an election coming up and he now has opposition in the House and suddenly it's a four alarm fire he needs to put out.
I am glad that, on the point we had been discussing, we agree. It isn't always that way.That may be because Nazi-like behavior, such as packing people into camps and neglecting them there, tends to be more common in one segment of the political scene than the other.
Ringo
Prison seems to be a “feature” in this view.I honestly believe wholeheartedly that Democrats are the problem. Once they ARE removed and replaced there will be no longer be a problem. this is entirely a political ploy and I hope people go to prison over it.
How can democrats be to blame for the actions of the Trump administration?
You think that treating children worse than we do literal terrorists is a good idea?
The laws are the laws.
If you want to change the laws you're going to have to make deals with people who disagree with you.
They're not. same time it could be said they're not dealing with reality of the actual situation. Instead they're either conflating or making new situations that are than imposed and or blamed on the Trump administration. The current Democrats in office only focus is obstructing Donald Trump. even if that means bringing these children into harm's way they will do anything to get rid of trump.
you think that smashing kittens heads with hammers is a good thing?
so you see how easy a question can become insinuation?
Deals require a two-way street.
these people are here because every attempt at stopping them from entering our border has been opposed. Including aid in their countries so they didn't have to come to our country. The same could be said by having these individuals stay in other countries so they did not have to enter ours.Prison seems to be a “feature” in this view.
Children being in prison aren’t being care of by the Administration that put them there, but it’s Democrats whom need “locking up”?
I am glad that, on the point we had been discussing, we agree. It isn't always that way.
Our current immigration system is taxed beyond breaking. The infastructure is not set up for such an influx that we are presently seeing. That means there's a deficit in all the services that can be rendered. by forcing us to continue to accept more and more and more and more and more people that we cannot take care of his forces in this situation.
they're going through many sanctuary countries where they can get protection food and aid without having to March all the way to America. They're coming to America to get jobs food and other incentives.
That may be because Nazi-like behavior, such as packing people into camps and neglecting them there, tends to be more common in one segment of the political scene than the other.
Ringo
They're only coming through Mexico, and Mexico is in fact keeping some of them.they're going through many sanctuary countries where they can get protection food and aid without having to March all the way to America. They're coming to America to get jobs food and other incentives.
No one is herding illegal immigrants into gas Chambers. Seriously get over this stupid ad hominem rant.
That is absolutely offensive beyond belief and I cannot believe you're just allowed to repeat it over and over again. no one wants to kill illegal immigrants as part of a final solution get it through your head. That is absolutely sick!
What do you want done? We're supposed to just release them right? Just allow them to go right into the country? and because we don't want to allow that to happen now we're Nazis. stop letting such a large influx of them coming into our country and they won't have to be detained. Simple logic.
They're children. I want them to be treated humanely. They should be treated at least as humanely as domestic juvenile delinquents who we lock up for committing crimes, which we are not doing now.What do you want done? We're supposed to just release them right? Just allow them to go right into the country? and because we don't want to allow that to happen now we're Nazis. stop letting such a large influx of them coming into our country and they won't have to be detained. Simple logic.
But THIS thread is about the DOJ going to court to get out of giving basic sanitary supplies to detained children that has been the expected minimum of care per a federal law.
It would help if folks bothered to READ the thread and then stay on topic.
IF you bother to read the OP and the thread and see what the topic is, then it is easier to address that topic and not bring other stuff up in a hysterical way.
RingoIsaiah 5:20 said:Woe to those who call evil good and good evil
it has nothing to do with crimes I don't know who brought that up but it wasn't me. Our system is purposely being over burden so it will burst and forced Trump to bring these people in. This is a political ploy to stop Trump from curbing illegal immigration. And the children are being used as proof as some kind of evil intent. There are too many people in the system to be properly taken care of. The actual epidemic needs to be addressed instead of just a bunch of symptomsThey're only coming through Mexico, and Mexico is in fact keeping some of them.
But the fact of the matter is, whenever children are taken into custody, they are due a certain standard of safety, hygiene and care. It doesn't matter whether they have committed a crime or not, or whether their parents have committed a crime or not, or whether they were being treated decently before they were taken into custody. If they are detained in custody they must be treated humanely. Saying, "It serves the parents right for bringing them here illegally" or "We can't afford it," or "The Democrats made us do it" are not excuses for inhumane treatment.
They're children. I want them to be treated humanely. They should be treated at least as humanely as domestic juvenile delinquents who we lock up for committing crimes, which we are not doing now.
Wrong. Absolutely wrong and disgusting. There is no excuse for treating children inhumanely. If children are being treated inhumanely in government custody then the resources must be found to improve their treatment. Inhumane treatment of children is an emergency which must be dealt with, whatever steps are being otherwise taken (or not taken) to solve the problem of amnesty seekers.it has nothing to do with crimes I don't know who brought that up but it wasn't me. Our system is purposely being over burden so it will burst and forced Trump to bring these people in. This is a political ploy to stop Trump from curbing illegal immigration. And the children are being used as proof as some kind of evil intent. There are too many people in the system to be properly taken care of. The actual epidemic needs to be addressed instead of just a bunch of symptoms
they're trying to force and or push their way through the system.
give us the funds to detain them properly
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