Ah, yes. The national emergency.... The emergency was declared because Trump realized he wasn't going to get his wall. Not out of a heartfelt concern for the migrants coming over. Remember, these aren't their best people. They're "rapists and murderers" according to candidate and then President Trump. He got nothing done on this front save for a few wall swatches early on for PR and then suddenly when the Democrats took office he shutdown the government over funding for his wall he himself turned down earlier in his presidency. The only reason he stopped the shutdown he caused was because he wasn't going to give his SOTU speech. Once he saw his SOTU speech convinced no one of anything, he suddenly declares it an emergency.
And again, this was done mainly to get funding for his wall. That's cinder blocks, concrete and rebar. Not toothbrushes and soap.
I get that by the end....the wall was a misunderstood issue. I get that once you bought into the lies you were told, you may have genuinely believed it was really all about Trump's ego. So let's be clear...the wall was proposed to address a problem.
The problem is too many people illegally crossing the border. It isn't toothbrushes and soap. That's a
symptom of the problem. If you don't address the problem, then the symptoms will just change.
I'm not going to argue about how effective the wall would be....because that's neither here nor there anymore. You need to demonstrate that you understand the
problem before there's any point in discussing solutions.
I get what you're saying. It costs a lot of money to keep people in State custody. I get that. Obviously the goal should be to reduce to number of people in our custody and costs and stresses on the system will go down but the fact is, these people are here and they are wards of the state until something is done about them and until then, we have a responsibility to provide the very most basic elements of sanitation.
I agree with you....and if I wasn't aware that this issue has been steadily growing for years now....I'd 100% agree that the solution here is to just buy the supplies and resources needed.
The thing is though, unless we address the problem, we have every reason to believe that we'll be right back in this situation soon. What if next year there's a 200% increase in the number of people? Is the solution to just keep throwing money at the problem and hope it doesn't get worse?
We have every reason to believe that the number of people trying to enter illegally will generally just increase. This is the time to address the problem.
Nonsense. The left trying to address the problem does not mean give the president billions of dollars for his wall. That doesn't address the problem, it puts a bandaid on it.
Toothbrushes and soap are a band-aid. If I could point to a real proposal to the problem that came from the left, I'd agree with you. That didn't happen though....they ignored the problem.
That does nothing to help the people already in our custody and wont stop the flood of people on their way for years to come while it is being built. The president and Senate have both shutdown Democratic proposals to address the problem mainly because this issue plays well with their base. If you believe the Democrats are playing politics with this issue, why wouldn't you assume the Republicans are as well?
What Democratic proposals? I looked and I can't find 1...not 1. The closest thing is a very generalized response that we should somehow "fix" the nations people are fleeing....but no real explanation of how that is done or understanding that we can't possibly fix every failed nation.
The only people making proposals are on the right...and I get the left may not agree, but if they don't have a counter-proposal then they are to blame. They've only stood in the way of solutions.
They turn down staying in Mexico because the fact is, Mexico isn't any better for them than Honduras or Guatemala were. Mainly because of the drug cartels that run that country, because of the business they do with their neighbors to the north. The United States.
Can you show me where any of them actually said that?
This isn't an easy issue for any country to address on its own but the one country who stands the most chance at addressing it happens to also be the one that's mainly the cause of this entire mess.
What are you talking about?
You don't think I believe the president is responsible for things that happen in the United States? He's to blame, not just because he wanted to take up the mantle of leader but also because his administration has done everything in its power to politicize the issue because again, politics is being played on both sides. A government shutdown and a few tweets about an emergency at the border while at the same time shutting down talks with congressional leaders trying to address the problem is not indicative of someone who is trying to help the situation.
What congressional leaders came to him with a solution? You've had three heads of the same agency tasked with dealing with this mess all say the
exact same thing.
The problem is our laws incentivize people bringing a child and claiming asylum. They effectively sidestep the entire immigration process and get released into the US. It's the same problem as it was 2+ years ago.
Yeah, and I still think he oversold the emergency. That's why they're letting things get out of hand.
He asked for emergency funding 2 months ago and Democrats are just now responding. He tried to sidestep them in February to get emergency funding and they used the courts to shut him down. If you want to go back further, he ran on the idea that this is a problem and they disagreed.
There's really no way to admit this is a problem now without admitting he was right the
entire time.
If you saw a tiny ember burning and declared it an emergency fire then but also do nothing to put it out and let it grow and grow because you can then lay the blame at others, you're kind of an arsonist. Did you start the fire? No but you also didn't put it out when you had a chance.
Do nothing to put it out???? He tried to build physical barriers to entering the US illegally. He tried at least twice to use executive powers to change the laws to remove the incentive to come illegally. He tried to work with, and threaten, foreign nations to help with the problem and was mocked for it.
Who else has tried to address the issue? I know AOC proposed we just allow anyone of latino descent in....but that's not a solution. That just increases the number of people.
I'm not really interested in what you believe about my concerns for asylum seekers in our custody. I blame the president because this is probably the single issue that got him elected and he has, as far as I can tell, let this problem grow over the last three years while he could have done something to address it instead of building wall swatches in San Diego. What a coincidence that we have an election coming up and he now has opposition in the House and suddenly it's a four alarm fire he needs to put out.
You blame him because it's hard to admit you were wrong. The Democrats don't do anything because not only is it hard for them to admit they were wrong....their jobs are at stake. If you don't want to hold them accountable, then the problem will not be fixed.