Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[dad]

LOL

I had some chuckles (here and there) as I read 'down' this page

Prehistoric 'tool-making'... was maybe, not widely known to us ~before, this latest discovery
which will affirm, that at-least, one, ancient 'hominin' (his family) had such ability [wisdom]

It may, just so-happen (could we keep an open mind, on this revelationary discovery)
that this 'early-inventor's discoveries' simply, took a few tens of thousands of years, to catch-on
ie: to a time, where such-practice, is so-much more commonplace

I would guess, that the EVIDENCE for even-earlier tool-making, is OUT-THERE (somewhere)
just awaiting discovery / needing only, the erosion of covering layers of, history to become 'fact'


dave

If man made tools earlier than this (probably early post flood) date, great. No animals involved, except in the minds of those desperate to claim we are relatives.

 

[dad]

I always find it interesting to see how the 'belief' in one thing can override the 'belief' in another rather than them compliment each other.
Dad believes what he believes and nothing anyone says will change that. I kind of respect that - I don't understand it, but that's a different point.

PS RT isn't a valid source of journalism? Shock-horror!

Yes, it beats a lot of journalism I see in the west. But the find is out there on almost any major service you prefer. Moot point.

 

[dad]

Yes, I 'kind-of' agree with that 'thinking too'
I mean, that is the chronology of 'everything' that is the most confusing (puzzling)

I find it rather easy and simple myself. Come on over to the comprehending side.

 

[dad]

Naturally.
It's one of the little known joys of uncovering artefacts from long gone civilisations, wondering if it could possibly be some kind of religious artefact and how that would have fitted into what is thought to be known about the culture of the time.

Anyone who happens to be an archaeologist, I know it's a little more work and serious interpretation than I'm making it out to be.

Inventing stories to go with relics does take work. Then tacking on imaginary dates and etc. They ought to get a raise.

 

[dad]

Getting down to the 'Nitty-Gritty'

The 'tool'(s) must have been buried (after-use) in soil (dated, via: scientific tests /processes)
that was itself subsequently buried by much later inundations, of soils
[chicken and the egg]
Produced by 'hands' of some creature, for intelligent purpose

Humanoids (the remains of) have been found interred (by time) in soils that have long-since
become rock that have been calculated to be 6 - 7 million years old

So, let us take the 'written word', as recordings, of, the peoples then-living, at the time that
writing was invented......and agree, that 'men' have walked upon this planet
for many millions of years, before writing, then also became 'a tool'



dave

Gibberish. By the way, I see you mentioned imaginary time dates. Don't peddle religion here.

 

[dad]

I always thought Dad was a creationist so it shocked me when he presented this wonderful example showing how tool use served to be a driving force in the evolution of intelligence and thus man!

What it shows is the intelligence of those so steeped in godless life from anything but creation, that they actually quickly accept in heart and mind, that a tool factory and tools were made by some animals. That shows delusional desperation. That works for me, good to see em on the run.

 

[davedajobauk]

Gibberish. By the way, I see you mentioned imaginary time dates. Don't peddle religion here.

Closed-minds, do also seem to be, convinced re: 'their truth'
regardless, of mounting-evidence, to the contrary of their belief

"Man-made tools.... were found ~within, an established 'time-zone'
How they got there.... Who discarded them.... What they were used for.... is yet to be discovered"

Those that believe, mankind WASN'T AROUND '3+ million years' ago ~are mistaken
There is some evidence
that man's ancestors, walked this planet, some six to seven million years ago

I don't impose my beliefs upon anyone, I have no need to do so
You, may believe, whatever you wish....
You can deny the truth, conceal it, if you wish.... that doesn't make 'the truth' any, the less TRUE

Light, drives out the darkness, just as knowledge, reforms ignorance

Those that resist CHANGE, to their knowledge-base, eventually learn ~and sometimes,
too late, for them to adopt fresh understanding

As I said in my first reply (above) the crux of, all 'differences of opinion', rest with chronology
ie: past belief, in a time when man was first made, when compared with, more-recent discoveries

dave

Around 20 well preserved artifacts have been dug up at Lomekwi 3 including anvils, cores, and flakes. An additional 130 artifacts were found on the surface. In one instance, Harmand's team was able to match a flake to its core, suggesting a hominin had made and discarded the tool at the site.[4] The tools were generally quite large – larger than the oldest known stone tools, recovered near Gona, in the Afar Region of Ethiopia, in 1992. According to Harmand, it appeared that the tool makers had purposely selected large, heavy blocks of strong stone, ignoring smaller blocks of the same material found in the area.[3] She ruled out the possibility that the apparent tools were actually natural rock formations, saying "The artifacts were clearly knapped and not the result of accidental fracture of rocks".[4] Analysis suggested the cores had been rotated as flakes were struck off.[4] The purpose of the tools found at Lomekwi 3 is unclear, as animal bones found at the site do not bear any sign of hominin activity.

Based on the buried artifacts' stratigraphic position (in undisturbed sediment) relative to two layers of volcanic ash and known magnetic reversals, Harmand dated the tools to 3.3 million years ago.[3][4] Her findings have not yet been published in a peer reviewed journal. (An abstract of the findings is scheduled to appear in PaleoAnthropology in May 2015.)[5] If the dating is confirmed, it would represent the oldest stone tools ever discovered, predating the Gona finds by 700,000 years. The date would also predate the Homo genus by 500,000 years, suggesting tool making arose with Australopithecus or Kenyanthropus(which has been found near Lomekwi 3).[3] Previously, evidence of stone tool use by Australopithecus has been suggested on the basis of marks on animal bones. The findings have been hotly debated, with no scientific consensus forming on either side of the debate.[4]

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomekwi

 

[davedajobauk]

Gibberish. By the way, I see you mentioned imaginary time dates. Don't peddle religion here.

I did not make any link with religion, when I mentioned 'the written word'
that, is entirely your own interpretation.... Writing, of-course preceded the Bible

dave

 

[dad]

Closed-minds, do also seem to be, convinced re: 'their truth'
regardless, of mounting-evidence, to the contrary of their belief

Well show us the monkeys that made this or some that make tool factories now. Otherwise your mind is the closed one.

"Man-made tools.... were found ~within, an established 'time-zone'
How they got there.... Who discarded them.... What they were used for.... is yet to be discovered"

Man made tools you say? I can dig that.

Those that believe, mankind WASN'T AROUND '3+ million years' ago ~are mistaken
There is some evidence
that man's ancestors, walked this planet, some six to seven million years ago

No. None at all actually. Gong!

I don't impose my beliefs upon anyone, I have no need to do so
You, may believe, whatever you wish....
You can deny the truth, conceal it, if you wish.... that doesn't make 'the truth' any, the less TRUE

You talk about the truth? Should we assume that truth is that animals made hammer and anvil and tools?

Light, drives out the darkness, just as knowledge, reforms ignorance

So let's see this light.

Those that resist CHANGE, to their knowledge-base, eventually learn ~and sometimes,
too late, for them to adopt fresh understanding

24 cent cliches with no depth or clarity or meaning. Nice try.

As I said in my first reply (above) the crux of, all 'differences of opinion', rest with chronology
ie: past belief, in a time when man was first made, when compared with, more-recent discoveries

dave

Belief. Glad you said that. Obviously that is the issue.


---snoooore....

 

[morse86]

All I see is a picture of a stone. Have any of you confirmed it is indeed a tool and it is 3.3 million years old?

Which one of you have taken it to the lab and done radiometric dating on it?

Otherwise, all we see is just another hoax news story.

 

[davedajobauk]

I don't impose my beliefs upon anyone, I have no need to do so
You, may believe, whatever you wish....
You can deny the truth, conceal it, if you wish.... that doesn't make 'the truth' any, the less TRUE[/COLOR]

You talk about the truth? Should we assume that truth is that animals made hammer and anvil and tools?

No, we 'agreed' that they were 'MAN-MADE'

Those that believe, mankind WASN'T AROUND '3+ million years' ago ~are mistaken
There is some evidence
that man's ancestors, walked this planet, some six to seven million years ago

No. None at all actually. Gong!

The evidence for this, is undeniably indicative of, hominid existence @ 6 to 7 million years ago
Such a denial, is hardly appropriate nor warranted, in this conversation

Light, drives out the darkness, just as knowledge, reforms ignorance

So let's see this light.

Just open your eyes Sir.... you appear to be well able to read the material that we have read
Discounting, the news 'out of hand' is your own disbelief... and, does not, make it 'untruth'

24 cent cliches with no depth or clarity or meaning. Nice try.

Please don't be rude, (link-provided, to known facts)
Plainly, you are not interested in discussing the find, nor, the possible future determination
~that 'Man' / his immediate ancestors, were responsible
for the 'making' of those "tools" _3+ million years ago

? Why are you here ?

dave

 

[davedajobauk]

All I see is a picture of a stone. Have any of you confirmed it is indeed a tool and it is 3.3 million years old?

Which one of you have taken it to the lab and done radiometric dating on it?

Otherwise, all we see is just another hoax news story.

Information immediately available, confirming (practically) that the tools were methodically produced
and that 'flakes' had been matched to an unfinished 'core' can be seen here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomekwi

Investigations into the find are still in-progress / unpublished ~according to this link

dave

 

[morse86]

Information immediately available, confirming (practically) that the tools were methodically produced
and that 'flakes' had been matched to an unfinished 'core' can be seen here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomekwi

Investigations into the find are still in-progress / unpublished ~according to this link

dave

No No No, you don't seem to get the point. Did YOU personally examine, do the tests, and scientifically come to the same conclusions?!?!?

Otherwise, it is just your FAITH in those scientists.

My local grocery store accepts a cheque BY FAITH. They have not confirmed it will not be rejected etc.

 

[davedajobauk]

Oh, I have no intention to go NIT-PICKING
[Probability Theory... If it can happen, then it is possible, until, it is proven that it didn't occur]

I am indeed open-minded...... The 'find' is open to peer-review and confirmation
ie: that the find is actually as described, is still awaited / unproven

But we are not discussing religion, or faith, here
I haven't seen God, but I do believe in His presence and hands in my life
I wasn't present 'when Jesus turned water into wine'
but it would be a small task, for someone that created everything that we are aware of
and all that we are still to discover, so yes, I believe He did that as reported

dave

 

[morse86]

Oh, I have no intention to go NIT-PICKING
[Probability Theory... If it can happen, then it is possible, until, it is proven that it didn't occur]

I am indeed open-minded...... The 'find' is open to peer-review and confirmation
ie: that the find is actually as described, is still awaited / unproven

But we are not discussing religion, or faith, here
I haven't seen God, but I do believe in His presence and hands in my life
I wasn't present 'when Jesus turned water into wine'
but it would be a small task, for someone that created everything that we are aware of
and all that we are still to discover, so yes, I believe He did that as reported

dave

Just curious about the "Jesus image" in your signature....

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Why does your "Jesus" image have long hair? How do you know what he looked like? Does the bible tell you what he looked like? So far, I've only seen that in Hollywood.

 

[Al T]

Dad, a genuine question for you if I may? Could you clarify what you believe in this regard and generally around the issue of how the Earth was created (timeline)? That would be helpful to understand where you're coming from.

Thanks in advance.

 

[lesliedellow]

No No No, you don't seem to get the point. Did YOU personally examine, do the tests, and scientifically come to the same conclusions?!?!?

Otherwise, it is just your FAITH in those scientists.

My local grocery store accepts a cheque BY FAITH. They have not confirmed it will not be rejected etc.

So we are supposed to doubt everything we haven't personally verified? Well I guess that means 99.9999999999999% of all human knowledge. Personally I lack the necessary specialist knowledge of things like neurology, historiography and nuclear physics, to name just a few.

 

[dad]

No, we 'agreed' that they were 'MAN-MADE'

OK, so you admit the evo timing is off and man did exist at the time.

The evidence for this, is undeniably indicative of, hominid existence @ 6 to 7 million years ago
Such a denial, is hardly appropriate nor warranted, in this conversation

So you want to call man a funny name and claim the evo timing is off...way off. OK.

Just open your eyes Sir.... you appear to be well able to read the material that we have read
Discounting, the news 'out of hand' is your own disbelief... and, does not, make it 'untruth'

The article is clear enough, no discounting needed. Your posts are fuzzy. Work on that.

Please don't be rude, (link-provided, to known facts)
Plainly, you are not interested in discussing the find, nor, the possible future determination
~that 'Man' / his immediate ancestors, were responsible
for the 'making' of those "tools" _3+ million years ago

Man had no ancestors. He was created. Any skulls or whatever you have are either not man, or you misunderstand how much we may have changed from the former nature of Adam and Noah's day.


You are welcome to try to prove man existed or had 'ancestors'. I don't believe you.

 

[dad]

Dad, a genuine question for you if I may? Could you clarify what you believe in this regard and generally around the issue of how the Earth was created (timeline)? That would be helpful to understand where you're coming from.

Thanks in advance.

I believe the earth and man and animals and stars and sun etc were created by Jesus less than 7000 years ago, as based on the Scripture.

 

[davedajobauk]

Just curious about the "Jesus image" in your signature....

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Why does your "Jesus" image have long hair? How do you know what he looked like? Does the bible tell you what he looked like? So far, I've only seen that in Hollywood.

Your question is for another forum
We should not wander from the intention of the OP
Each to their own, at 67 years, I still have a full head of hair
and do not RUSH to have it cut at the hairdressers
Maybe I like the 'virile-look'

Now, someone, may intimate that I am 'vain'
Actually I would like to look like Jesus...
whatever He looked like


dave