Tired of Defending.

[Smidlee]

Do you know what the word "personification" means? The belief was that nature was comprised of spirits and those spirits were worshiped. Atheists do not worship nature.

The idea that somehow blind and unintelligent nature (matter and energy only) has the ability to create an intelligent life that can see no doubt gives nature the spiritual quality of creation. That's pretty close to worship. The idea we are the creation of the stars is very old indeed.
So far science has went against the idea of Frankencell yet atheist still believe nature has God-like powers to create all life we see today. Atheist are just as human as those in the past that believe nature has more power that which is known.

 

[PsychoSarah]

that do say hard, hard mean ATP molecule replenish energy slower than energy expended result in net loss

man get tired.

Come on AV, that is low to make fun of how someone speaks, English might not be their first language.

 

[Belk]

The idea that somehow blind and unintelligent nature (matter and energy only) has the ability to create an intelligent life that can see no doubt gives nature the spiritual quality of creation. That's pretty close to worship. The idea we are the creation of the stars is very old indeed.

It is no where close to worship. Unless you worship engineers for some reason simply because they know how to build a bridge?

So far science has went against the idea of Frankencell yet atheist still believe nature has God-like powers to create all life we see today. Atheist are just as human as those in the past that believe nature has more power that which is known.

I know, it is almost like we see nature create new life every single day and don't freak out because it violates some sacredly held tenet that we have exactly zero empirical evidence for.

 

[AV1611VET]

Come on AV, that is low to make fun of how someone speaks, English might not be their first language.

You're probably right.

A perusal of his posting history promotes your point.

Thank you for the prompt.

Post deleted.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You're probably right.

A perusal of his posting history promotes your point.

Thank you for the prompt.

Post deleted.

I am glad you took the high ground.

 

[KWCrazy]

Evolution is proven fact at this point.

Nothing in science is ever proven.
Evolution has never been observed or demonstrated.
Irradiated fruit flies are still fruit flies.
Your statement is false.

... and this is coming from a Christian. Does it impair my belief in god? No.....

And yet, you don't capitalize the deity; something I find peculiar when you otherwise use caps..

I however, like to believe that an all-powerful god might of made use of this proccess to create the world as we know it today.

As a Christian, I would like to see you supply passages of Scripture which support your claim. God stated that He made the world in six days in Exodus 20:11.

I'm sure if they sat down and stopped screaming quotes from the bible at the top of their lungs they would see reason, but don't hope for much.

Christian means "of Christ." Christ believed that the Scriptures were true as written, including the accounts of creation, Adam and Eve, Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah, Jonah etc. Since you are of Christ, please supply the passages where Christ said all of these were only mythology and mankind really evolved from a single progenitor.

I'm quite sure you can't find any passages of Scripture to support your false teaching, only words or phrases taken out of context. Prove me wrong.

 

[Smidlee]

It is no where close to worship. Unless you worship engineers for some reason simply because they know how to build a bridge?

Most people will never admit they worship money and wealth but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out many do... including those who claim they worship God.
As far as engineers, man has a long history of worshiping the creation of his own hand... idols made of wood and gold created by a blacksmith

I know, it is almost like we see nature create new life every single day and don't freak out because it violates some sacredly held tenet that we have exactly zero empirical evidence for.

Nature (matter and energy alone) doesn't create life without a lot of complex information already build-in. Complex machines can build other machines but not without information from an intelligent source. We don't claim nature build computers even though we live in natural bodies and use natural resources because we see ourselves as creators.

 

[Belk]

Most people will never admit they worship money and wealth but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out many do... including those who claim they worship God.
As far as engineers, man has a long history of worshiping the creation of his own hand... idols made of wood and gold created by a blacksmith

You are aware there are multiple meanings to the word "worship" correct? The equivocation fallacy will not help you here because none of the definitions are how nature is viewed.

Nature (matter and energy alone) doesn't create life without a lot of complex information already build-in. Complex machines can build other machines but not without information from an intelligent source. We don't claim nature build computers even though we live in natural bodies and use natural resources because we see ourselves as creators.

That's nice. Feel free to evidence that life is impossible without an "Intelligent" source. Until then I'll watch "nature" create life all day long without any outside intervention.

 

[Profane]

Nothing in science is ever proven.
Evolution has never been observed or demonstrated.
Irradiated fruit flies are still fruit flies.
Your statement is false.

If you want to live in ignorance, that's your choice, since you clearly have access to the internet, the information you seek is a few button clicks away, once you've done that you can join the rest of us in the future where we accept all of modern biology, evolution included.

And yet, you don't capitalize the deity; something I find peculiar when you otherwise use caps..

The plot thickens.

As a Christian, I would like to see you supply passages of Scripture which support your claim. God stated that He made the world in six days in Exodus 20:11.

What are six days in the life of a god? Can it be decided upon by mere mortals?

Christian means "of Christ." Christ believed that the Scriptures were true as written, including the accounts of creation, Adam and Eve, Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah, Jonah etc. Since you are of Christ, please supply the passages where Christ said all of these were only mythology and mankind really evolved from a single progenitor.

I'm quite sure you can't find any passages of Scripture to support your false teaching, only words or phrases taken out of context. Prove me wrong.

Can't seem to find anything about evolution, I also can't seem to find anything about how to properly clean myself after going to the bathroom, I think the good lord intended us to find some things out on our own, we don't know for sure how most of the events stated in the bible came about, instead of snapping his fingers and making things magically appear, it makes more sense to me that he would work within the framework of the reality he created.

 

[Smidlee]

You are aware there are multiple meanings to the word "worship" correct? The equivocation fallacy will not help you here because none of the definitions are how nature is viewed.




That's nice. Feel free to evidence that life is impossible without an "Intelligent" source. Until then I'll watch "nature" create life all day long without any outside intervention.

Now you are playing with words. The natural laws just as assume to destroy life more than creating it. The law of biogenesis is "life comes from life." A living cells must have nano-machines constantly repairing itself because of nature. You are trying to place nature as a god no matter how much you play with words.

 

[AV1611VET]

I also can't seem to find anything about how to properly clean myself after going to the bathroom,

Deuteronomy 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

 

[PsychoSarah]

Deuteronomy 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Wow, that is kinda awkward. TMI, bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow, that is kinda awkward. TMI, bible.

According to your profile, you've read that before.

 

[PsychoSarah]

According to your profile, you've read that before.

I read the bible in its entirety years ago by myself, it probably didn't occur to me what that was talking about.

 

[Profane]

Deuteronomy 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Well, technically that's only how to dispose of the excrement, not how to clean yourself off.... unless you're suppose to use the paddle to wipe also...

Wait, how did the thread come to this again? x_x

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, technically that's only how to dispose of the excrement, not how to clean yourself off.... unless you're suppose to use the paddle to wipe also...

Wait, how did the thread come to this again? x_x

Profane, it seems you are accurately named

 

[KWCrazy]

If you want to live in ignorance, that's your choice

Thus says the person who claims evolution to be a proven fact, when even the most rabid evolutionists (whom I quoted in the first line) admit that nothing in science is ever proven conclusively; and assuredly not evolution, though they may proclaim the evidence to be overwhelming. By the way. Evolution is a theory of origins. Biology is the study of living things. The two are not inexorably interconnected.

What are six days in the life of a god? Can it be decided upon by mere mortals?

Evidently, six evenings and six mornings comprised the six days of creation, and Adam was created from the dust of the earth, not from a chimp. These things are recorded as historical facts in the Scripture, not as subjective tales of mythology.

.... it makes more sense to me that he would work within the framework of the reality he created.

Your perspective on what makes sense is diminished by your childish behavior. Come back when you grow up a little and can converse with adults.

 

[Old Ned]

Deuteronomy 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

... I'm... not even sure what to say to that.
Carry a shovel... so you can bury your poo.

I have to wonder, was that even worth the paper it was written on?

 

[bhsmte]

... I'm... not even sure what to say to that.
Carry a shovel... so you can bury your poo.

I have to wonder, was that even worth the paper it was written on?

Thank goodness for Charmin!

 

[Old Ned]

Thank goodness for Charmin!

Don't be silly, they didn't use Charmin to write the bible on... although that would be somewhat fitting.