Tired of Defending.

[Sayre]

What evidence is there of evolution? That mutations can not account for the formation of new genetic material? That mutations reach a saturation limit and then no new variations are ever produced?

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

That fossils are the same from the first T-Rex to the last T-Rex, with no micro or macro evolution appearing at all? That a static state is evident from all creatures that survived the cataclysm?

Dodging living fossils

Living Fossils

That many transitory species are merely the young or old of existing species?

Jack Horner: Shape-shifting dinosaurs - YouTube

Its a false religion.

Debunking Evolution - problems between the theory and reality; the false science of evolution

Sorry to have to do this, but I've seen that paper so many darn times, I've added you to my ignore list. No spite, I just think it's nicer to ignore you than to fight against you.

 

[JustMeSee]

Religion and faith are not science.
Science is not based on religion or faith.

In most cases, they can't truly be debated in a standard, fair way.

Religion on the most part is not tangible. It is more of a person experience that cannot be measured scientifically.

So, for creationist to demand physical evidence of evolution, as 'proof', is somewhat hypocritical.

 

[mzungu]

What ignorance. Living your whole life with the Dynamics of the Spiritual Realm in our midst and you lack any apprehension.

To further present your ignorance towards others, you without evidence say that the Spiritual Realm does not exist. I mean how do you know, being absent experience of it.

You do realise that in that realm dwell fairies, unicorns, trolls, Zeus and all the mythological creatures and people? Anyone can experience in his mind all manner of things that are not part of reality. It is a fact that the brain has the ability to believe that something exists and even feel that it does even if that thing is non existent. Believe whatever you wish if it makes you comfortable. Knock yourself out to your heart's desire!

 

[Gracchus]

What ignorance. Living your whole life with the Dynamics of the Spiritual Realm in our midst and you lack any apprehension.

Well, I do have some small understanding of the biology of human behavior. Neuropsychology seems to explain the observed behavior without any need to postulate any "spirituality".

To further present your ignorance towards others, you without evidence say that the Spiritual Realm does not exist.

What I am saying is that there is no reason to postulate a spiritual realm, as observation can be explained by neurological phenomena. Indeed, the “mystical” experience is recognizable to persons who have lived through it, although most explain it according to their preconceptions. (See for instance the story of the blind men and the elephant.*) Moreover, it can be induced with drugs, meditation, low blood sugar, lack of sleep, or direct electrical stimulation of the brain.

I mean how do you know, being absent experience of it.

You are assuming that I have never had such an experience. In fact I did not interpret it as religious or spiritual.

What ignorance. Living your whole life with the Dynamics of the Spiritual Realm in our midst and you lack any apprehension.

Well, I do have some small understanding of the biology of human behavior. Neuropsychology seems to explain the observed behavior without any need to postulate any "spirituality".

To further present your ignorance towards others, you without evidence say that the Spiritual Realm does not exist.

What I am saying is that there is no reason to postulate a spiritual realm, as observation can be explained by neurological phenomena.

I mean how do you know, being absent experience of it.

You are assuming that I have never had such an experience. You are incorrect.

Hey, you would be the last one I'd ask, having only armchair, vocabulary, mere words comprehension that is void of truth.

That sentence is ungrammatical enough to be incomprehensible. Perhaps you could recast it, after taking some thought.

But of course your (sic) a smart man and understand what you do not understand.

I am smart enough to know that sometimes I can barely understand what I do understand.

I repeat: I have sat through enough psychology and neurobiology courses to know that there is no reason to postulate the supernatural, the spiritual, or the metaphysical, based on brain states.

*"The story of the blind men and an elephant originated in the Indian subcontinent from where it has widely diffused. It has been used to illustrate a range of truths and fallacies; broadly, the parable implies that one's subjective experience can be true, but that such experience is inherently limited by its failure to account for other truths or a totality of truth. At various times the parable has provided insight into the relativism, opaqueness or inexpressible nature of truth, the behavior of experts in fields where there is a deficit or inaccessibility of information, the need for communication, and respect for different perspectives."

Blind men and an elephant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Smidlee]

Everyone believes in a god (creator). Either you believe a non-material god or a material god. Atheist believe the universe as we know it is the results of matter and energy only while I believe the universe is the result of matter ,energy and most important information. information comes from a mind so this is a top-bottom worldview vs matter and energy alone (without information) can create the universe including us is a bottom to top worldview.

I think everyone agrees with:
1) once there were no life on this planet
2) now we have life
3) even the simplest living cell known today is too complex just to have popped into existence.
So that means our creator is some kind of "Frankencell" or an intelligent being. Atheist are looking for their creator to show up in a test tube while I'm looking for mine towards the heavens.

 

[Volokh]

scriptures say that

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

that no say tired, god no curse youfor changing word.

 

[Smidlee]

You do realise that in that realm dwell fairies, unicorns, trolls, Zeus and all the mythological creatures and people?

Unicorns are real. Return of the Unicorns: Eric Dinerstein, George B. Schaller: 9780231084505: Amazon.com: Books

Of course made-up creatures are by definition made up. Mickey Mouse may have some characteristics of a mouse but it intended to be unreal.

 

[mzungu]

Everyone believes in a god (creator).

This is not true. Atheists do not believe in any God(s).

Either you believe a non-material god or a material god.

There is no God; material or otherwise

Atheist believe the universe as we know it is the results of matter and energy only while I believe the universe is the result of matter ,energy and most important information. information comes from a mind so this is a top-bottom worldview vs matter and energy alone (without information) can create the universe including us is a bottom to top worldview.

I've lost you here. You are making no sense whatsoever.

I think everyone agrees with:
1) once there were no life on this planet
2) now we have life

I agree

3) even the simplest living cell known today is too complex just to have popped into existence.

No life pops into existence. Where do you get such notions?

So that means our creator is some kind of "Frankencell" or an intelligent being. Atheist are looking for their creator to show up in a test tube while I'm looking for mine towards the heavens.

Atheists do not have a creator. In fact we believe the opposite; that life is the result of natural processes.

 

[mzungu]

Unicorns are real. Return of the Unicorns: Eric Dinerstein, George B. Schaller: 9780231084505: Amazon.com: Books

A rhinoceros is not a horse.

Of course made-up creatures are by definition made up. Mickey Mouse may have some characteristics of a mouse but it intended to be unreal.

So are all the deities and mythological creatures.

 

[bhsmte]

Everyone believes in a god (creator). Either you believe a non-material god or a material god. Atheist believe the universe as we know it is the results of matter and energy only while I believe the universe is the result of matter ,energy and most important information. information comes from a mind so this is a top-bottom worldview vs matter and energy alone (without information) can create the universe including us is a bottom to top worldview.

I think everyone agrees with:
1) once there were no life on this planet
2) now we have life
3) even the simplest living cell known today is too complex just to have popped into existence.
So that means our creator is some kind of "Frankencell" or an intelligent being. Atheist are looking for their creator to show up in a test tube while I'm looking for mine towards the heavens.

I would recommend you recheck your assumptions.

 

[Smidlee]

A rhinoceros is not a horse.

no joke. Hollywood's devil isn't the same as scripture either.

P.S By the way it very easy to tell that the Hollywood's unicorn (I know it was actually before Hollywood, thus make-beleive) isn't real since it base on the idea that was pointed out in the Wizard of OZ. When Dorothy was ask if she was a good witch or an evil witch she replied she wasn't one because witches were ugly. It was explained by the northern witch only evil witches were ugly. So Dorothy was really asked if she was ugly or not I guess she couldn't tell.
The real unicorn is pretty ugly compared to the horse. Hollywood devil is ugly for the same reason but in reality often evil is very attractive not ugly at all.

 

[Smidlee]

This is not true. Atheists do not believe in any God(s). There is no God; material or otherwise I've lost you here. You are making no sense whatsoever.
I agree No life pops into existence. Where do you get such notions? Atheists do not have a creator. In fact we believe the opposite; that life is the result of natural processes.

Which is one of the oldest religious beliefs and gods.

 

[Belk]

Which is one of the oldest religious beliefs and gods.

One of the oldest religious beliefs was that there was a personifications of nature that were gods. Atheists do not believe this.

 

[Smidlee]

One of the oldest religious beliefs was that there was a personifications of nature that were gods. Atheists do not believe this.

What is nature? How can you separate nature out of "natural processes"?

 

[Michael]

Religion and faith are not science.
Science is not based on religion or faith.

In most cases, they can't truly be debated in a standard, fair way.

Religion on the most part is not tangible. It is more of a person experience that cannot be measured scientifically.

So, for creationist to demand physical evidence of evolution, as 'proof', is somewhat hypocritical.

I would argue that it depends entirely on how one "practices" their science, and practices their religion. Religion can be very "tangible" for the most part, and faith is an integral part of many branches of theoretical physics. String theory is a great example of a branch of physics that requires "faith" in extra dimensions of spacetime.

 

[Belk]

What is nature? How can you separate nature out of "natural processes"?

Do you know what the word "personification" means? The belief was that nature was comprised of spirits and those spirits were worshiped. Atheists do not worship nature.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you know what the word "personification" means? The belief was that nature was comprised of spirits and those spirits were worshiped. Atheists do not worship nature.

Yeah, that would be hippies

 

[Belk]

Yeah, that would be hippies

They only worship particular plants.

 

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[Profane]

Evolution is proven fact at this point.... and this is coming from a Christian. Does it impair my belief in god? No.....

Its this kind of attitude you only really find in 'American' Christians, European Christians don't really seem to have the same problem. Its time to wake up and smell the roses, evolution is proven fact, denying it won't change that; I however, like to believe that an all-powerful god might of made use of this proccess to create the world as we know it today.

So, I'd like to apologize for my fellow Christians you've had to deal with and the frusteration you've much likely had to suffer from it, most of them don't care about the evidence because they don't want to acknowledge it; most of them are intelligent people, despite all appearances, they simply don't want to go through the trouble of having anything that might challenge their beliefs or rethink them in some small way.. I'm sure if they sat down and stopped screaming quotes from the bible at the top of their lungs they would see reason, but don't hope for much.