Tired of Defending.

[AV1611VET]

... I'm... not even sure what to say to that.
Carry a shovel... so you can bury your poo.

I have to wonder, was that even worth the paper it was written on?

Take another look at that advice, Ned.

I'll bet you can't see the wisdom behind it, can you?

 

[Old Ned]

Take another look at that advice, Ned.

I'll bet you can't see the wisdom behind it, can you?

You are right, I don't see any wisdom in it.

Would you mind pointing it out?

 

[AV1611VET]

You are right, I don't see any wisdom in it.

Would you mind pointing it out?

You're in a war zone, surrounded by the enemy.

You go out to relieve yourself.

The enemy strikes.

Guess what?

No weapon.

OOPS!

 

[Belk]

Now you are playing with words.

Said the one whose premise presumed his answer of creation.

The natural laws just as assume to destroy life more than creating it.

Well, at least we wont have to argue over "fine tuning"

The law of biogenesis is "life comes from life."

Indeed. It's elephants all the way down isn't it? Oh, wait, this is where the special pleading comes in, huh?

A living cells must have nano-machines constantly repairing itself because of nature. You are trying to place nature as a god no matter how much you play with words.

No. YOU are assigning it that position for me because you are unable to conceive of a natural world without a god. Kindly stop projecting your limitations onto me. I have told you repeatedly I do view nature as a god. My universe requires no god to function.

 

[Belk]

You're in a war zone, surrounded by the enemy.

You go out to relieve yourself.

The enemy strikes.

Guess what?

No weapon.

OOPS!

As ex military I believe it is the other way round but it is still good advice.

 

[Old Ned]

You're in a war zone, surrounded by the enemy.

You go out to relieve yourself.

The enemy strikes.

Guess what?

No weapon.

OOPS!

If you're in a war zone and need to be reminded to carry your weapon anywhere you go, then you are clearly not fit for war.
To me that's the equivalent to reminding a child to tie their shoe laces... shouldn't need to be said.

I would have been more impressed if you had said "when in a war zone and you need to relieve yourself, remember to bury it so as the smell does not give away your position"

But you didn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you're in a war zone and need to be reminded to carry your weapon anywhere you go, then you are clearly not fit for war.

But God put it in Writing.

So if someone gets killed because Joe was on the pot without his weapon, Joe's getting court martialed.

In addition, the Law made the weapon and the shovel one single unit.

As opposed to lugging a weapon and a paddle to the latrine.

 

[Old Ned]

But God put it in Writing.

So if someone gets killed because Joe was on the pot without his weapon, Joe's getting court martialed.

In addition, the Law made the weapon and the shovel one single unit.

As opposed to lugging a weapon and a paddle to the latrine.

And Scientific method made both

 

[KWCrazy]

And Scientific method made both

Amazingly, there was still a scientific method among these "bronze age superstitious nomads" who had never heard of molecules-to-man. Probably none of the great minds that built our civilization believed they shared common ancestry with lions and lilies. How is that they survived? How was the practice of medicine ever advanced among people who weren't convinced their ancestors were frog-like amphibians that were too heavily deformed to continue living in the sea? How was Columbus able to sail the Atlantic without a working knowledge of Darwinism, which you seem to believe is the core of all science. How is it that Solomon; the wisest man of all time; didn't owe his existence to pre-historic swamp creatures? How were the Chinese able to dig for oil in 347 AD when nobody had yet informed them that oil was formed by decaying plant and animal life billions of years before?

There are only two possibilities. Either man is capable of scientific discovery without embracing the lie of common descent, or there was absolutely no technology prior to Darwin and all of history is a lie.

If scientific experimentation was ever possible by people who believed in God, then it's STILL possible by those who believe in God and the ramblings of evolution proponents who say evolution deniers aren't real scientists is just another lie.

 

[AV1611VET]

And Scientific method made both

Not exactly.

The scientific method relies on trial and error, whereas we learn in Genesis ...

Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Tubalcain would have gotten his knowledge from the Holy Spirit, not from academia.

Today's [TE] scientists think Tubalcain was an artificer in bronze, but bronze is never mentioned in the Bible -- it's brass.

Brass is copper and zinc, while bronze is copper and tin.

Today's brainiacs, who rely on the scientific method, would have been spattered all over the landscape by Israel's enemies, had they lived back then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Amazingly, there was still a scientific method among these "bronze age superstitious nomads" who had never heard of molecules-to-man.

I have to chuckle whenever I see today's paper scientists calling it the Bronze Age.

Bronze may have been the metal of choice back then, but the Adamites and Israelites would have never touched it.

They used brass instead, and thus were able to "beat their plowshares into swords" at a moment's notice.

Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Can't you see it now?

The Midianites send a reconnaissance team into Israel to check them out.

Reconnaissance reports little or no weapons found.

The Midianites strike, only to see the Israelites change their farm implements into swords and spears at a moment's notice.

Oh ... maybe one or two cities would have listened to their academic elites say bronze would be more efficient, despite what God chose, but they would have gotten a reality check.

 

[Dizredux]

I have to chuckle whenever I see today's paper scientists calling it the Bronze Age.

Bronze may have been the metal of choice back then, but the Adamites and Israelites would have never touched it.

They used brass instead, and thus were able to "beat their plowshares into swords" at a moment's notice.

Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Can't you see it now?

The Midianites send a reconnaissance team into Israel to check them out.

Reconnaissance reports little or no weapons found.

The Midianites strike, only to see the Israelites change their farm implements into swords and spears at a moment's notice.

Oh ... maybe one or two cities would have listened to their academic elites say bronze would be more efficient, despite what God chose, but they would have gotten a reality check.

I tried to look up brass swords on Google and got almost nothing. I suspect that a battle between bronze weapon and brass weapon users would have been very rough on the brass weapons resulting in a lot of dead brass weapon users but I can find nothing comparing these two as material for swords and such so can't really say if this is true. It would be interesting to find examples of brass as sword material and information comparing the two metals in that context.

Dizredux

 

[Michael]

I tried to look up brass swords on Google and got almost nothing. I suspect that a battle between bronze weapon and brass weapon users would have been very rough on the brass weapons resulting in a lot of dead brass weapon users but I can find nothing comparing these two as material for swords and such so can't really say if this is true. It would be interesting to find examples of brass as sword material and information comparing the two metals in that context.

Dizredux

Bronze Age Craft (Swords for Sale)

I definitely wouldn't want to be the hapless victim at the business end of such a sword, I can tell you that much.

 

[KWCrazy]

So, what you're saying is, it's your opinion of someone else's opinion, IYO.

You're saying that in your opinion it's my opinion of someone else's opinion. Of those involved, only one happens to be God. I'll go with His opinion.

 

[mzungu]

Amazingly, there was still a scientific method among these "bronze age superstitious nomads" who had never heard of molecules-to-man. Probably none of the great minds that built our civilization believed they shared common ancestry with lions and lilies.

WRONG! The ancient Greek philosopher Embedocles was the first to mention biological evolution. He believed all life including humans) evolved through natural causes and all life originated from the sea from simple organisms.
Democritus (father of the atom) another Greek philosopher; believed that all in existence is made up of atoms.

How is that they survived? How was the practice of medicine ever advanced among people who weren't convinced their ancestors were frog-like amphibians that were too heavily deformed to continue living in the sea?

Mortality rates were very high and life expectancy was very low. However ancient societies did not require knowledge of ToE in order to survive.

How was Columbus able to sail the Atlantic without a working knowledge of Darwinism,

Show me where ToE is required for navigation! He used the stars to navigate.

which you seem to believe is the core of all science.

This is a blatant lie. You are being disingenuous.

How is it that Solomon; the wisest man of all time;

Says who?

didn't owe his existence to pre-historic swamp creatures? How were the Chinese able to dig for oil in 347 AD when nobody had yet informed them that oil was formed by decaying plant and animal life billions of years before?

You are obviously unaware that oil was found around the world seeping to the surface. ever heard of "tar pits"?

There are only two possibilities. Either man is capable of scientific discovery without embracing the lie of common descent, or there was absolutely no technology prior to Darwin and all of history is a lie.

This is a common creationist lie. Acceptance of Common descent does not mean excluding technology.

If scientific experimentation was ever possible by people who believed in God, then it's STILL possible by those who believe in God and the ramblings of evolution proponents who say evolution deniers aren't real scientists is just another lie.

Then what are you doing using a computer? You do realise that people who use the fruits of science while denouncing science will be accused of hypocrisy?

 

[Sayre]

Then what are you doing using a computer? You do realise that people who use the fruits of science while denouncing science will be accused of hypocrisy?

And don't forget that Alan Turing was faaaabulous!

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't see why Tubalcain couldn't have developed his methods by himself/adapted them from earlier/inferior methods, and simply been the first one to become particularly adept at that craft.

I suppose so.

 

[mzungu]

And don't forget that Alan Turing was faaaabulous!

Indeed he was!

 

[KWCrazy]

WRONG! The ancient Greek philosopher Embedocles was the first to mention biological evolution. He believed all life including humans) evolved through natural causes and all life originated from the sea from simple organisms.

He also believed in the four elements; earth, air, fire and water. He believed in re-incarnation. His most notable invention was rhetoric. In other words, he invented nothing and was NOT a scientist. "He was said to have been a magician and controller of storms, and he himself, in his famous poem Purifications seems to have promised miraculous powers, including the destruction of evil, the curing of old age, and the controlling of wind and rain."
What great scientific did he make again? Oh, that's right. None. That's why almost nobody has ever heard of him.

Democritus (father of the atom) another Greek philosopher; believed that all in existence is made up of atoms

Father of the atom? Maybe he read Hebrews 11:13. "By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible."

You are being disingenuous.

Am I? Evolutionists are the ones who discredit any scientist who doesn't submit to their hogwash theory of molecules to man. Evolutionists have made the profoundly stupid comment that we have computers because of evolution theory. Evolutionists are the ones who have so distorted the definition of science that Christian scientists are afraid to stand up for their beliefs.

You are obviously unaware that oil was found around the world seeping to the surface. ever heard of "tar pits"?

I know very well that there were tar pits, and I suspect not one person ever saw one and said, "Look! Millions of years of decaying life forms are oozing to the surface!" Man has used oil for most of his existence without either knowing or caring what caused its formation. Even today there is some question of whether it is produced by abiotic or biotic processes.

Then what are you doing using a computer? You do realise that people who use the fruits of science while denouncing science will be accused of hypocrisy?

That's where most evolutionists display profound ignorance. They really don't know the difference between science and molecules to man. They seriously cannot comprehend that a man can design a computer chip without believing the he had common ancestry with the plastic housing the chip would be placed within. You seriously cannot comprehend that there was any scientific discovery whatever that isn't dependent on molecules-to-man. You seriously believe that any rejection of your UNSCIENTIFIC claims of increasing complexity and single original progenitor is a rejection of every facet of provable science and every known law of physics. Then you wonder why some people consider rabid evolutionists as irrational fanatics.

I said, "Either man is capable of scientific discovery without embracing the lie of common descent, or there was absolutely no technology prior to Darwin and all of history is a lie." You called my statement a lie, which means you believe man is NOT capable of scientific discovery without embracing the lie of common descent. It tells me all I ever have to know about the irrational obsession you have with Darwinism and the disdain you have for provable science.

 

[KWCrazy]

Pray tell me what inventions did the Bible give us?

Books don't invent things. However, archaeologists have found the information in the Bible highly valuable in finding lost cities.

The Pagan Greeks gave the world much in the fields of understanding the physical world.

The Bible does not concern itself with the physical world. Most of the laws of physics are violated many times over through the miracles in the Bible.

Show me where evolutionists claim that we have computers because of ToE.

It's hard to find a thread with many entries that DOESN'T have someone saying if you reject evolution then why are you using a computer; as if all of technology was dependent on molecules-to-man. Evolutionists have stated that the rejection of evolution is the rejection of all science.

Science has progressed because people wanted to understand the physical world.

No kidding! There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a valuable an honorable field. It's too bad it's been polluted by people who are so in love with molecules-to-man they don't believe science can function without that premise. Secondly, while knowledge of the physical world is important and useful, knowledge of the supernatural world an in particular the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is what matters most of all.

Pointing out the irrational obsession with promoting the spread of Dawinism isn't flaming, by the way. It's an observation of the things that I have read on this website. Darwinists do not come off as rational, educated and respectful people for the most part. That's why I have so many of them on ignore. I also qualified by statement by confining it to the "rabid" evolutionists. You know who they are. You've seen them post. Whether or not you include yourself or others include you in that description is personal. I don't do personal in an open forum.