Doesn't the USA have a successful rollout? More than 4 million per day are getting it. Yet we're also being told that a "4th wave" of the virus is coming. So much for "rapidly dropping".
Now that people are getting "vaccinated" with the substances that are authorized for "emergency use", and are considered to be "safe and effective", many have paid the price for getting the shots, while thousands more are facing a big disappointment--being infected with Covid, and even dying from it.
“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is tracking these coronavirus infections that break through the vaccine's protection, told NPR on Thursday that the agency has so far received reports of about 5,800 breakthrough cases. No "unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics," the CDC says.
Though these sorts of breakthrough infections have been reported among people of all ages, a little more than 40% so far have been among people age 60 or older, according to the agency, and 65% of such cases have been among women. About 29% of those experiencing breakthrough infections experienced no symptoms, but 7% were hospitalized and 74 people died.”
The number of fully vaccinated in the US is just shy of 80 million people.
So for only 5800 breakthrough infections, and of those... 396 led to hospitalizations, and 74 deaths.
If the total number of fully vaccinated people was only 80,000...then these numbers would represent a pretty big disappointment.
But with a group of 80 million...
5800 = 0.00725% (nearly a third being asymptomatic)
396 = 0.000495%
74 = 0.0000925%
What about these numbers do you see as disappointing?
Nobody ever purported these vaccines to be 100% effective, the estimates for the two-shot ones was around 90-95%, and a bit less than that for the one-shot ones.
I'd say these numbers are actually very encouraging...especially considering the fact that we're nowhere near herd immunity yet.
To be able to boast those kinds of numbers (with regards to levels of protection) in an environment where 3 out of 5 people one encounters isn't vaccinated yet is actually quite impressive.
Once the the US hits the 60-70% fully vaccinated threshold, each of the 3 metrics will drop even further.
You are engaged in baseless speculation. Not only do you have no basis for your implied prediction, there is every reason to expect your implication will turn out to be incorrect.There's one factor you left out: Time.
5800 breakthrough infections so far. How long have the 80 million been "vaccinated"? Give it a year and see how many more breakthroughs there will be, and how many will die--both from Covid, as well as the shot to prevent it.
Only a disappointment to people who can't do basic math.
You do realize that there are people who do this for a living, right? Decide how dangerous diseases are, and how they're spreading, and how they can be stopped, and how safe vaccines are? And you know they're not paid by pharmaceutical companies, right? Do you have any idea how public health actually works?
You are engaged in baseless speculation. Not only do you have no basis for your implied prediction, there is every reason to expect your implication will turn out to be incorrect.
You have been forced to concede that only a tiny fraction of those vaccinated developed Covid. So what do you do now? You speculate that this spectacular success will not last. Well, why would that be? The only plausible explanation would be variants that can evade the virus. Well, you are not making such an argument.
In fact, you are making no argument at all - all you are doing is speculating.
It is good to hear the left finally showing so much confidence and support for the Trump vaccine. But it is also strange that so many on the right are now skeptical.You are engaged in baseless speculation. Not only do you have no basis for your implied prediction, there is every reason to expect your implication will turn out to be incorrect.
You have been forced to concede that only a tiny fraction of those vaccinated developed Covid. So what do you do now? You speculate that this spectacular success will not last. Well, why would that be? The only plausible explanation would be variants that can evade the virus. Well, you are not making such an argument.
In fact, you are making no argument at all - all you are doing is speculating.
About 32 million Britons now enjoy a high percentage of immunity to a disease that kills people without the input of the FDA.I don't think that's happening in any country. There is no "vaccine". None have been approved by the FDA as a vaccine. They've only been approved with an emergency use authorization.
While i agree the vaccine reduces the numbers significantly, the numbers you present as basis for comparison are hardly honest.
You're comparing the number of people infected/killed from Covid since the beginning of the pandemic (well over a year) with the number of fully vaccinated people infected/killed (much smaller population pool and a much shorter timespan).
You can stick with door number one, but not because of the numbers you put forth in your post.
Let's set aside the dubious attempt to confer credit on Trump, of all people, for the vaccine. Do you have any evidence at all to the effect that "the left" has ever been particularly skeptical about vaccines?It is good to hear the left finally showing so much confidence and support for the Trump vaccine. But it is also strange that so many on the right are now skeptical.
Nonsense. I am skeptical of claims with zero evidence.I notice how you become defensive when something is pointed out to you that you don't agree with.
My assertion that we still don't know the long-term effects still stands valid. Sorry if it offends you.
No, I mean public health. Look it up.
Lol. what would count as evidence to people who deny any evidence?You have been caught making things up, so you try to dance.
Again:
Do you have even a shred of actual evidence for your claim?
And as any reasonable person knows, finding the odd anecdote does not count - do you have any evidence of systematic attempts to cover up deaths that are factually related to the vaccine?
There's one factor you left out: Time.
5800 breakthrough infections so far. How long have the 80 million been "vaccinated"? Give it a year and see how many more breakthroughs there will be, and how many will die--both from Covid, as well as the shot to prevent it.
Let's set aside the dubious attempt to confer credit on Trump, of all people, for the vaccine. Do you have any evidence at all to the effect that "the left" has ever been particularly skeptical about vaccines?
I would be stunned if the left, as a group, was ever more skeptical than any other group.
Good post, and I entirely agree with you. Just to clarify - I was crystal clear in my post that I was not claiming "the left" was any less anti-vax than the right. I was responding to a dubious implication by another poster that "the left" was more skeptical than the right.Anti-vaxxerism, itself, has been one of the few conspiracies that seems to span the political spectrum...
What are you talking about? Please point to any post of mine, or any other pro-vaccine person here, that provides even a scintilla of evidence to support your claim that we "deny evidence".Lol. what would count as evidence to people who deny any evidence?
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