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[Aseyesee]

James 4:11 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Who does scripture say is the 'accuser of our brethren'?

God has a purpose and a plan...ALL things came to be because of HIM and vengeance is the LORD's. Truly, it is God who must judge...We? We are called to Love...and not from our own understanding/thought, but according to Spirit...with singleness of eye. Anything less, and our eyes are yet veiled.

If thy eye offend thee ... I love where Saul asks who are you lord; his answer is a lamp to the feet, and a light to the path.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Jesus Christ is the bread (manna) of life......He Himself had the Spirit without measure, but gives to all a measure while we are on earth. We take parables too far sometimes, with our own minds, instead of just the simple intent of them.....we will in another way still be in the wilderness until He comes.......we really only get to TASTE of the heavenly kingdom until then. Hebrews 6:4 HE, the person of Christ, is the FINISHER of our faith as well as the beginning of it........meaning to be found in Him, in His sheepfold, is both the beginning and finishing of our faith....and to be found there when He comes to finish the good work He began in us.......when corruptible puts on incorruptible. And who is HE.........just read the gospels, He is no more and no less than that, and we are to be the same, no more, no less than that. So, anyone speaking truth would be in the same spirit and same vein as the New Testament, no more and no less.

And we surely are not in one accord in FELLOWSHIP with lost souls, but rather seeking that they should be saved, entreating that they would give up their idols and come to the real Christ who said go and sin no more and that we can't eat both of His table and the table of demons. Wake up, wake up!

 

[HeLeadethMe]

If thy eye offend thee ... I love where Saul asks who are you lord; his answer is a lamp to the feet, and a light to the path.

It's hard not to notice the irony, given the spirit of pride and superiority in this thread.....nevertheless I will just answer, what are we to do with Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees for their error, and Paul who said we are to judge those who are of the household of faith. The kind of thinking here wants to be more righteous than they, more righteous (higher) than God Himself........Lucifer's error, I'm sorry to say, and that was a new testament example of the same that Paul was referring to when he said we are to judge those on the inside....because they were taking pride in their so-called tolerance of evil in the house of God....go read it. It is just another gospel being preached, here, plain and simple, not the gospel and words of scripture of the new testament God-breathed bible. We are not to be wise in our own eyes.

 

[Aseyesee]

It's hard not to notice the irony, given the spirit of pride and superiority in this thread.....nevertheless I will just answer, what are we to do with Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees for their error, and Paul who said we are to judge those who are of the household of faith. The kind of thinking here wants to be more righteous than they, more righteous (higher) than God Himself........Lucifer's error, I'm sorry to say, and that was a new testament example of the same that Paul was referring to when he said we are to judge those on the inside....because they were taking pride in their so-called tolerance of evil in the house of God....go read it. It is just another gospel being preached, here, plain and simple, not the gospel and words of scripture of the new testament God-breathed bible. We are not to be wise in our own eyes.

Do you know why Jesus was dumb before his accusers ... it has to do with the singleness (not to be confused with simple) of the gospel that he was.

Most people (like martha) wait for a day, when the day is right in front of them, and soon would be understood through experience that he was in them; even though the day of Pentecost had fully come, for Peter it was just a beginning of that to him, who had not yet thought much beyond his own race, as the only real sons ... that is irony, to call what God has cleaned unclean.

But it is also irony that you think you know me, and to hold on to this image you have made of me, pride ... but this to is part of the process, nothing is out of order.

If you only love those who love you, what have you done ... this taken as a child is every bit an entering into the kingdom in us ... ( which the opposite is of a laying on of heavy burdens), or one who by words sows the seed of a serpent, a slow climb up Babel.

 

[Aseyesee]

When I first got "saved" 38 years ago, God made it real to me (some would call it revelation knowledge) that he did not take me the way of the Philstines, in case I saw warfare and would turn back to Egypt again.

God calls every son out of Egypt, which is the process of coming out of the view of being what you see in the mirror when you brush your teeth in the morning.

The rightly divided difference is that we can drink deadly things (metaphors, or pictures of trurh) and it won't hurt us, and take up serpents (among other things), which is a truth found in Egypt as it is in the wilderness as it is in the land, that defines this process that can be seen in things like baptism.

 

[Aseyesee]

And I'm afraid He simply did not teach what you are talking about, did He.

I know you've studied enough to know Jesus was not sent to us, and a good portion of what Paul said Jesus never mentioned (even though they are the same truth, or name written) but John did say (of all that he did say and do), that the world couldn't contain all the books that could be written of it, so the Bible represents a very small portion of even what Jesus had said, let alone done up til he found himself in the midst of the week.

When Jesus opened the scriptures he started from the beginning showing himself as the truth the scriptures expressed as the seed of the woman ... God. (To speak like a man), we don't know how far he opened the eyes of their understanding, whether they saw a mountain as a woman, or Jerusalem as something that spoke to them as being their soul, where Christ becomes crucified at.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Do you know why Jesus was dumb before his accusers ... it has to do with the singleness (not to be confused with simple) of the gospel that he was.

Most people (like martha) wait for a day, when the day is right in front of them, and soon would be understood through experience that he was in them; even though the day of Pentecost had fully come, for Peter it was just a beginning of that to him, who had not yet thought much beyond his own race, as the only real sons ... that is irony, to call what God has cleaned unclean.

But it is also irony that you think you know me, and to hold on to this image you have made of me, pride ... but this to is part of the process, nothing is out of order.

If you only love those who love you, what have you done ... this taken as a child is every bit an entering into the kingdom in us ... ( which the opposite is of a laying on of heavy burdens), or one who by words sows the seed of a serpent, a slow climb up Babel.

It is what I discerned by the Holy Spirit on the thread in general, though I have seen it in individuals as well from time to time....and actually it shows up in everyone I have known who subscribes to this way of thinking, which is a tower of Babel alright. Whereas growing in true knowledge (of God and who He is) bears fruit of humility.

Hmmm......sounds like wisdom but isn't. Remember Jesus saying of one, that not all are clean. He wasn't in anybody until He was in them.....it didn't depend on their understanding it, it depended on the fact of it actually happening at a given point in time.....when Jesus breathed on them and said receive ye the Holy Spirit. Nor can this be said, obviously, of those who do not know Him.

Do you not know that Love hates sin.....?

This passage below does not agree with what you are saying:

Romans 8:23-25 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Anyway I don't want to strive over it any longer, but can only pray and hope that those here will consider some of the points that I brought. It's depressing here, so I'll say goodbye, it grieves the Spirit.

 

[Aseyesee]

There will be a someday, but there is a right now, which is the only way to become intimate with him; we know, when we follow on to know, has a cost to it.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Jesus Christ is the bread (manna) of life......He Himself had the Spirit without measure, but gives to all a measure while we are on earth. We take parables too far sometimes, with our own minds, instead of just the simple intent of them....

He is the bread of life, indeed. And those who eat it may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh...Acts 2:17

we will in another way still be in the wilderness until He comes.......we really only get to TASTE of the heavenly kingdom until then.

He promises that we shall enter HIS rest... The last day may not be quite what you think it is...God laboured six days (creation week) and on the 7th he rested. IN Christ, a new creation...

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

HE, the person of Christ, is the FINISHER of our faith as well as the beginning of it........meaning to be found in Him

To be found in Him...individually and together, ONE.

meaning to be found in Him, in His sheepfold, is both the beginning and finishing of our faith....and to be found there when He comes to finish the good work He began in us

He can and will finish the work begun as long as we "take not a thought..."and build a wall/city/idol with what we have already received...some have entered that rest, no longer labouring for the bread, but the Master serving it ...as promised in scripture.

And who is HE.........just read the gospels, He is no more and no less than that, and we are to be the same, no more, no less than that.

Amen! To be the same...by Him, through HIM and IN HIM. A son of God.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

He is the bread of life, indeed. And those who eat it may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh...Acts 2:17




He promises that we shall enter HIS rest... The last day may not be quite what you think it is...God laboured six days (creation week) and on the 7th he rested. IN Christ, a new creation...

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:



To be found in Him...individually and together, ONE.



He can and will finish the work begun as long as we "take not a thought..."and build a wall/city/idol with what we have already received...some have entered that rest, no longer labouring for the bread, but the Master serving it ...as promised in scripture.



Amen! To be the same...by Him, through HIM and IN HIM. A son of God.

I agree PeaceJoyLove. In our weakness His strength is made perfect.......when I realize I have not a thought of my own to bring, He then gives/serves me His. And this is resting from my own thoughts.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

I know you've studied enough to know Jesus was not sent to us, and a good portion of what Paul said Jesus never mentioned (even though they are the same truth, or name written) but John did say (of all that he did say and do), that the world couldn't contain all the books that could be written of it, so the Bible represents a very small portion of even what Jesus had said, let alone done up til he found himself in the midst of the week.

When Jesus opened the scriptures he started from the beginning showing himself as the truth the scriptures expressed as the seed of the woman ... God. (To speak like a man), we don't know how far he opened the eyes of their understanding, whether they saw a mountain as a woman, or Jerusalem as something that spoke to them as being their soul, where Christ becomes crucified at.

What we received in the gospels has to be a true representation of Jesus, written by those who were eye witnesses of Him and all that He said and did, and anything else He said and did that wasn't written down would not be in contradiction to the gospels. Same with the epistles, written by eye witnesses, except perhaps Paul, though he received powerful revelation........it is all a faithful account and instruction.......how many are even living up to half of it yet?.......and you mean to say, there's more? But no, there really isn't. To be like Him really means simply to live by the Spirit, filled with the Spirit and being led by the Spirit, in a nutshell. Because it is HIS Spirit, the same Spirit that was in Jesus. How can it get any better or higher than that.

 

[Aseyesee]

What we received in the gospels has to be a true representation of Jesus, written by those who were eye witnesses of Him and all that He said and did, and anything else He said and did that wasn't written down would not be in contradiction to the gospels. Same with the epistles, written by eye witnesses, except perhaps Paul, though he received powerful revelation........it is all a faithful account and instruction.......how many are even living up to half of it yet?.......and you mean to say, there's more? But no, there really isn't. To be like Him really means simply to live by the Spirit, filled with the Spirit and being led by the Spirit, in a nutshell. Because it is HIS Spirit, the same Spirit that was in Jesus. How can it get any better or higher than that.

If that's as far as you want to go into this kingdom that Jesus said was in us that's fine ... I don't make or break you, and I have one who makes or breaks me.

Jesus said to know the father is life eternal, but what is in the word father when defined by the one who you are calling father, is it the definition in a Webster's dictionary, if this is all of what is in the word to one, then this is where one is, in knowing their father.

 

[mozo41]

We see from where we are in the proses but this being of our perception is not bound only to the knowledge we have in the moment, for we are more than this, albeit this still of perception just another facet of it ... what i mean is Jesus said ....., even if you do not believe Me, believe the works, ... now i remember when i first read this gospel of the land spoken and how i scoffed and wrote something foolish along the lines of pigs flying, and as i read more ( even though it appeared as gibberish to me at first ) i could see the works ... the words in type flowing freely like water restricted only by my own perception of them .... i could see a language not of this world and so believed it not to be ....

 

[mozo41]

Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone should love the world, the love of the Father is not in him,

an about turn is paramount to understanding the word of GOD

 

[Aseyesee]

... except perhaps Paul, though he received powerful revelation........

Jesus lived thirty years without performing one miracle. Those he grew up with thought he had lost it when he told a crowd that no man knows where he came from.

Where do you think John got the idea of being given the power to become sons of God, Jesus never once said it in this fashion, or even affirmed this to them, outside of the ones that were going to stone him ... yet John said behold, now are we the sons of God, not someday (though that does not negate the some day of this truth that we are, but when that day comes it will still be today, and just as it was today 2000 years ago, that if they harden not their hearts as it was in the days when they provoked God, ( which is in seed form compared to the truths this becomes as a latter house.

Greater works will you do ... (has not happened yet) even with the first twelve), but the four gospels don't show a running dialogue of three and a half years of time, moment by moment playing out, that the total sum of his works that John spoke of, that this greater could be measured by.

But none of it will happen outside of the faith that it is, which is how we walk in him.

I have said before, our footsteps become ordered to us when we believe that they are, and the farther we see into this the more it becomes to us as something that always was, as Paul had said of himself, that he was called from his mother's womb ...

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Yes, it's just as the Lord showed me.......thinking we can be greater and higher than He who was the exact representation of the Father......wanting to be greater than Him.......ascending above the stars of God. Lord, have mercy.

 

[Aseyesee]

Yes, it's just as the Lord showed me.......thinking we can be greater and higher than He who was the exact representation of the Father......wanting to be greater than Him.......ascending above the stars of God. Lord, have mercy.

What does greater works will you do because he goes to the father mean to you?

 

[Aseyesee]

Why do we need to ascend when we are seated in him ...

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Yes, it's just as the Lord showed me.......thinking we can be greater and higher than He who was the exact representation of the Father......wanting to be greater than Him.......ascending above the stars of God. Lord, have mercy.

I've not heard anyone suggest or say that we would ever be greater and higher than He or wanting to be greater than Him. I have heard being ONE with HIM, individually and collectively...the body of Christ.

He promises us many things throughout scripture and that we can enter into HIS rest from our toiling in the field for bread...and that HE would come and serve it up to us. He promises us entrance into his holy city, a well watered garden...a white stone with a new name that only the one who receives it knows.

This is not new age as you are thinking, but the very promises contained in scripture.

What does the sovereignty of God mean to you? Do you see two kingdoms or one?

 

[Aseyesee]

Christ has the preeminence in all things which is the picture you see in Joseph; but like all things God, this grows as to what it means to us in relationship to him, being that he has been made all things to us; which the deepening of this is had by an ever increasing relationship with him, which he alone draws us into; and is how all things have worked from the beginning; being that we cannot come to what he does not draw us to.