Thoughts ...

[Nym]

It is amazing the box we build for God to live in, isn't.

 

[Noxot]

it is for our eternal delight

or the soul can be destroyed if it will never be anything for God. i have faith that God will be pleased to make his soul worthy of himself.

 

[Nym]

That concludes all matters then.

 

[FanthatSpark]

The word spirit runs a gambit when clothed by a tree.

Thus, what's in a word ( Borrowed from original author of this thread )? Perception maybe?

 

[toLiJC]

the bible is full of religious stuff. do the saints do things that they do not recommend? religion is not bad in and of itself.

moses, ezekiel, ezra, paul, john, peter.... they were all religious. they did religious things.

ofc the Spirit matters, that is what being Spiritual means... it means living the higher life. I think church and that kind of stuff is good for some types of souls. true religion is just real life. it is not right to accuse something if it is innocent and when you lump categories like 'religious' or 'spiritual' and condemn them fully... then all i see is massive bloodshed and the fighting of many nations. you probably don't even condemn them fully, I would hope.

but yeah, one day if enough people are willing, the earth will have no more churches, no more governments, no more economies and who knows what else they will and won't have.

Rev 21:22-26 (YLT)
And a sanctuary I did not see in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, is its sanctuary, and the Lamb, and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they may shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp of it is the Lamb; and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it, and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there; and they shall bring the glory and the honour of the nations into it;

looks like God demands from all the nations - gifts. so I think we are allowed to use any words we want. I can take anything from any nation that is good. I can eat of any tree in the garden. most of us got Pharisee and tax collectors and all other kinds of sinners that want to make us like they are. i'm either doing what is right or i'm doing what is wrong.

the faith of Jesus Christ is also the faith that God presented in the books of His Prophets of the old testament, and that faith, the true/right one, is based on the show of pure love for the humans/neighbor, indeed, first is love and then faith appears as a manifestation of love, because love needs to be effective, or how will love (be able to) solve the problem if there is no effective means of solution, actually, love is that thing which solves the problems, while faith is just (the) faithfulness of love, for if love is not faithful, then it will not be persistent to solve the problems completely and permanently - it thus may even be hypocritical, so if we consider every thing separately from the others, it will turn out that only love solves the problems, and what thing the believer/worshiper concentrates more than (the) (an)other(s) in his/her faith, that thing may dominate his/her faith, so if the stress is on the spirituality, then the faith may rather be based on the principle of (the) spirituality, but spirituality means there are some spirits in the faith, and it is very likely to turn out that it is not clear what spirits exactly work/act there, because the very spiritual is not visible/perceptible, indeed, the (religious) spirituality might easily turn out to be a dwelling (place) for/of all kinds of devilish/unclean spirits, moreover, the purpose of the devils may not be clear - they could play games with the worshipers ad infinitum

Revelation 18:1-10 "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."

and if the stress is on the religiosity, then the faith may turn out to be full of vain traditions, customs, rites, ceremonies, rituals, observances, etc., and even to be an idolatry:

1 Corinthians 10:1-14 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry."

because we anyway had to and still have to drink, eat, go to work, etc., but why must we turn these things into religion?!, for there are much more important/worthy things that we can do, such as Gospel preaching, Holy exorcism, healing, resurrection, etc., and these are the things that the true God prefers us to do

that is why the words "spirituality" and "religiosity" even do not exist anywhere in the Bible, not that the faith of Christ is not spiritual, but if we should call the things of faith with their real names, then such concepts as spirituality and religiosity can't/won't be right

Blessings

 

[Noxot]

faith is the Holy Spirit. why one is how he is is between them and God. one can stumble over anything, how am I, a limited intellect, supposed to grasp what does the best in the world when I can not measure the parts of reality that I can not see or that are invisible.

Spoiler: hermas vision of faith

The Shepherd of Hermas
8[16]:1 When then I ceased asking her concerning all these things, she saith to me; "Wouldest thou see something else?" Being very desirous of beholding, I was greatly rejoiced that I should see it.
8[16]:2 She looked upon me, and smiled, and she saith to me, "Seest thou seven women round the tower?" "I see them, lady," say I. "This tower is supported by them by commandment of the Lord.
8[16]:3 Hear now their employments. The first of them, the woman with the strong hands, is called Faith; through her are saved the elect of God.
8[16]:4 And the second, that is girded about and looketh like a man, is called Continence; she is the daughter of Faith. Whosoever then shall follow her, becometh happy in his life, for he shall refrain from all evil deeds, believing that, if he refrain from every evil desire, he shall inherit eternal life."
8[16]:5 "And the others, lady, who be they?" "They are daughters one of the other. The name of the one is Simplicity, of the next, Knowledge, of the next, Guilelessness, of the next, Reverence, of the next, Love. When then thou shalt do all the works of their mother, thou canst live."
8[16]:6 "I would fain know, lady," I say, "what power each of them possesseth." "Listen then," saith she, "to the powers which they have.
8[16]:7 Their powers are mastered each by the other, and they follow each other, in the order in which they were born. From Faith is born Continence, from Continence Simplicity, from Simplicity Guilelessness, from Guilelessness Reverence, from Reverence Knowledge, from Knowledge Love. Their works then are pure and reverent and divine.
8[16]:8 Whosoever therefore shall serve these women, and shall have strength to master their works, shall have his dwelling in the tower with the saints of God."

I have a pit of evil opened up inside of me and it does not mean that i'm evil. I wonder how many are in hell.

 

[toLiJC]

faith is the Holy Spirit. why one is how he is is between them and God. one can stumble over anything, how am I, a limited intellect, supposed to grasp what does the best in the world when I can not measure the parts of reality that I can not see or that are invisible.

Spoiler: hermas vision of faith

The Shepherd of Hermas
8[16]:1 When then I ceased asking her concerning all these things, she saith to me; "Wouldest thou see something else?" Being very desirous of beholding, I was greatly rejoiced that I should see it.
8[16]:2 She looked upon me, and smiled, and she saith to me, "Seest thou seven women round the tower?" "I see them, lady," say I. "This tower is supported by them by commandment of the Lord.
8[16]:3 Hear now their employments. The first of them, the woman with the strong hands, is called Faith; through her are saved the elect of God.
8[16]:4 And the second, that is girded about and looketh like a man, is called Continence; she is the daughter of Faith. Whosoever then shall follow her, becometh happy in his life, for he shall refrain from all evil deeds, believing that, if he refrain from every evil desire, he shall inherit eternal life."
8[16]:5 "And the others, lady, who be they?" "They are daughters one of the other. The name of the one is Simplicity, of the next, Knowledge, of the next, Guilelessness, of the next, Reverence, of the next, Love. When then thou shalt do all the works of their mother, thou canst live."
8[16]:6 "I would fain know, lady," I say, "what power each of them possesseth." "Listen then," saith she, "to the powers which they have.
8[16]:7 Their powers are mastered each by the other, and they follow each other, in the order in which they were born. From Faith is born Continence, from Continence Simplicity, from Simplicity Guilelessness, from Guilelessness Reverence, from Reverence Knowledge, from Knowledge Love. Their works then are pure and reverent and divine.
8[16]:8 Whosoever therefore shall serve these women, and shall have strength to master their works, shall have his dwelling in the tower with the saints of God."

I have a pit of evil opened up inside of me and it does not mean that i'm evil. I wonder how many are in hell.

the word "knowledge" was used in the sense of '(pure) conscience/consciousness' in many of the cases of its usage in the writings of the true Saints/Prophets

Blessings

 

[Noxot]

ah each one, so important.

would take a long time to read all of their writings. all the famous ones. and lots of his children do many works in one way or another.

 

[Nym]

We see in patterns because everything is made up of patterns, like God was supposed to have said to Moses “And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount. “ It is in our literature, it is in our arts, it is in nature, and what nature down to the infinitesimal is made out of.

Questions without a reasonable answer (such as Why would God seem disappointed with himself for creating man on the earth when he knew what would happen before he ever did, or why did God need to go down and see if it is the cry that has come up to him, being that there is nothing hid from his sight, or even why was there any need for Jesus to shed his blood on the cross to wash our sins away when by God’s own words, if we but reason with him our sins become white as snow), are like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Often we defend the confusion not knowing that we (more specifically, our soul) are the source of it.

 

[Nym]

"We overcome our soul, but our soul (consciousness) is endless in it's fortitude. If we don't remain (in bible language) as a pillar and go no more out, we are subject to the process of in and out; but in the process of this time we find them to be the same pasture, through the seed that we are."

"We live in the moment, which makes the future, and the past, the same truth; it is the moment, or the journey there and back again, even down to a single thought."

 

[Noxot]

I like this, heart and mind

 

[jugghead]

And that is how I understand the soul, the heart and mind as one, ruling together in His kingdom/marriage

I believe that to be of a dual nature is to have the heart and the mind separated ..... in that one rules over another rather than ruling together as one.

With the heart (female) and the mind (male), which is to say the same as ..... either thoughts (mind/male) rule over emotions (heart/female) ..... or emotions (heart/female) rule over thoughts (mind/male), whereas understanding that a husband submits to his wife in the same way that a wife submits to her husband, thoughts have to submit to emotions in the same way that emotions have to submit to thought.

Thought and emotion rule together in perfect harmony, and by it they play the music of heaven

My two cents worth.

 

[Nym]

My pennies worth, when you are in your soul things appear dual, and when your soul is in you, everything becomes single again.

 

[jugghead]

My pennies worth, when you are in your soul things appear dual, and when your soul is in you, everything becomes single again.

Haven't heard of it put like that before, but makes perfect sense

 

[Nym]

Haven't heard of it put like that before, but makes perfect sense

The marriage thing speaks to it quite well too; we are all pieces of the same puzzle. My dad said once that everyone has a fig tree, a vine they drink of, these are the trees in the garden of God, a metaphor of the collective that one can enter into, even though it can be entered into like the gates of a city at any time, in a manner that begins without thought.

Like the phrase, "It's not about the penny." If you listen, you hear his voice.

 

[Nym]

We have the testimony of Jesus Christ;, and the question is not what this means to us, it is what it meant to him, for as he is so are we.

To begin to understand this is to enter into the gates of the city, whose builder and maker is God, put another way, it is to find your soul.

 

[Nym]

It's funny how things become things to us when we focus on them in the light of who we are, or in the darkness, confusion of the duality of who we are, it makes no difference, "it is the process of the soul.".

The Old Testament says no one sees God and lives, or no one has ever seen God at any time, and then Jesus comes along, and says if you seen me you've seen him. One is an earthly mentality, the other spirit. One is destined to swallow the other, to reveal in us, by revealing to us, what already is.

 

[Nym]

"The world is seemingly a mirror as to what we see in it.

Where we come from (in thought) where we begin by necessity must be the end. It’s the place between (two, which words almost taint’s the sense of this), or in the midst; neither light nor darkness, it’s both where captivity begins, and captivity ends.

It is this word God that brings us back there, as the place never left."

 

[jugghead]

"The world is seemingly a mirror as to what we see in it.

Where we come from (in thought) where we begin by necessity must be the end. It’s the place between (two, which words almost taint’s the sense of this), or in the midst; neither light nor darkness, it’s both where captivity begins, and captivity ends.

It is this word God that brings us back there, as the place never left."

And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters"

 

[Noxot]

I don't mind being pushed around by authoritarians but I won't support them with money any more. the death of God leads to tyranny and nihilism. a religion that trys to control its fellows has become dead and dry. when there is no more ability for the spirit to be free in God then all you will be left with is a book and a shallow understanding of it. those who quench the spirit open the doors wide for satan to rule their lives.

I really don't know what so many are scared or concerned about. religion makes me sick.