Thoughts ...

[Nym]

To know the father is life eternal, and so far I have not found this in any way separated from perception.

 

[Nym]

the human perception may be wrong, but the right exercise of faith is always useful (for eternal life) in the true Lord God

Blessings

We exercise who we are.

 

[Nym]

We must lose our kingdom to find our kingdom; something intrinsically linked to our soul.

 

[Noxot]

perception as a creature can only take you so far. heaven is higher than the earth. our capacity must increase or we shall never be a great tree which angels rest upon. the Father gives all things that he is to the Son except that he remains the Father. the Trinity is the primordial reality of which all other things are based on. the closer you are to it the closer you are to existing, the further away the more lies and coldness. truth is the suns rays that lights up the world and goodness is the fire of the sun itself, the heat is the love. the lower heaven is of truth and our universe is made of what is true but hell drags it downwards as heaven pulls up at it. how beautiful that the body of Christ is heaven and we are all this or that part of him. that is the kind of 'hierarchy' that exist in heaven.

I think that wisdom is like knowledge and love combined, it is more active than just understanding something. life is a fullness of things and death is like trying to follow the law that you don't even understand, though the law is truth and good.

I think that each of us must taste and see that the Lord is good. he really is everlasting life to our souls, he is how we forever expand, forever ascend. it is a great joy for the both of us, for all of us.

 

[toLiJC]

We exercise who we are.

We must lose our kingdom to find our kingdom; something intrinsically linked to our soul.

mystic

Blessings

 

[Noxot]

mysticism is the love and communion of/with/in reality. the modern perceptions of what our universe is is far away compared to those who live rich spiritual lives. truth in science will increase when goodness increases. much more is able to be done in the name of love than that of lower motivations of earthly or hellish spirits.

the earth is shielded by the radiation of the sun and stars, otherwise the earth could not be what it is. you can speak the truth by simply pointing out facts of reality since they are all symbols which express spiritual reality. our universe is an outer level of reality just like the words in the bible are. it is only in the worshiping of our Father in Spirit and Truth that we shall see God and thus reality. though we all have various capacities.

 

[toLiJC]

mysticism is the love and communion of/with/in reality. the modern perceptions of what our universe is is far away compared to those who live rich spiritual lives. truth in science will increase when goodness increases. much more is able to be done in the name of love than that of lower motivations of earthly or hellish spirits.

the earth is shielded by the radiation of the sun and stars, otherwise the earth could not be what it is. you can speak the truth by simply pointing out facts of reality since they are all symbols which express spiritual reality. our universe is an outer level of reality just like the words in the bible are. it is only in the worshiping of our Father in Spirit and Truth that we shall see God and thus reality. though we all have various capacities.

why exactly mysticism and love together?!

where is x141, he has written nothing here since long ago?!

Blessings

 

[Noxot]

why exactly mysticism and love together?!

where is x141, he has written nothing here since long ago?!

Blessings

there is no difference in real mysticism and love just like God can not be know without knowing love.

I recently asked if he would come back to cf, but if he does not feel like it then he should not be here. he said he might come around one day

 

[Noxot]

a greater capacity is that of doing good and of loving, it is greater than that of knowledge alone. if we crave for knowledge to increase ourselves we should know that we are growing that we can be what we are but also that we might give to those who desire such things. God sometimes seems to want to do more for us when we want to do good for his people. being locked up in an ivory tower is only good if it is in the enslavement of God.

I guess song of songs speaks of spiritual life in better ways:

Song 7:10-13 (YLT)
I am my beloved's, and on me is his desire. Come, my beloved, we go forth to the field, We lodge in the villages, we go early to the vineyards, We see if the vine hath flourished, The sweet smelling-flower hath opened. The pomegranates have blossomed, There do I give to thee my loves; The mandrakes have given fragrance, And at our openings all pleasant things, New, yea, old, my beloved, I laid up for thee!

I guess that is why in a garden that is growing things such as trees along with things such as tomatoes is a pleasing thing to experience. a garden is so beautiful when designed well such as what permaculture trys to accomplish... compared to the dull fields that are common to the world - the rows and rows of nothing but cotton.

I appreciated this one random guy on youtube. he grew tobacco plants only for the sake of protecting his tomatoes. the tobacco plants had SO many insects on them but the tomatoes had hardly any bugs destroying them.

 

[toLiJC]

there is no difference in real mysticism and love just like God can not be know without knowing love.

I recently asked if he would come back to cf, but if he does not feel like it then he should not be here. he said he might come around one day

mysticism is mysticism, love is love - let's call the things with their actual names

Blessings

 

[Hoghead1]

perception as a creature can only take you so far. heaven is higher than the earth. our capacity must increase or we shall never be a great tree which angels rest upon. the Father gives all things that he is to the Son except that he remains the Father. the Trinity is the primordial reality of which all other things are based on. the closer you are to it the closer you are to existing, the further away the more lies and coldness. truth is the suns rays that lights up the world and goodness is the fire of the sun itself, the heat is the love. the lower heaven is of truth and our universe is made of what is true but hell drags it downwards as heaven pulls up at it. how beautiful that the body of Christ is heaven and we are all this or that part of him. that is the kind of 'hierarchy' that exist in heaven.

I think that wisdom is like knowledge and love combined, it is more active than just understanding something. life is a fullness of things and death is like trying to follow the law that you don't even understand, though the law is truth and good.

I think that each of us must taste and see that the Lord is good. he really is everlasting life to our souls, he is how we forever expand, forever ascend. it is a great joy for the both of us, for all of us.

Yes, but how do you describe this "primordial" reality?

 

[Noxot]

mysticism is mysticism, love is love - let's call the things with their actual names

Blessings

I only speak from experience and from the authority of those who have had such experiences. the word "mysticism" is constantly slandered, it has been for a while now and I get sick of it. mysticism is to love and seek after God and people who have a different opinion of what it means probably rightly hate the word.

 

[Noxot]

Yes, but how do you describe this "primordial" reality?

john said "God is love" and that is what it is. i don't know how to describe it other than to keep on existing forever and worship and love God. how do you describe the Trinity? God is a little bit hard to pin down with words. how would one describe eternity? it is what it is but it might not be possible to fully describe such a thing.

reality is play, joy, goodness, love, truth, mind, wisdom, ect. that is what true being is. non-being is evil - the lack of such things. that is why God is the fullness of life and why sin is such a terrible thing to God and to ourselves.

 

[Hoghead1]

john said "God is love" and that is what it is. i don't know how to describe it other than to keep on existing forever and worship and love God. how do you describe the Trinity? God is a little bit hard to pin down with words. how would one describe eternity? it is what it is but it might not be possible to fully describe such a thing.

Yes, but some description would help. Traditionally, Christianity didn't just say there is a Trinity and that's it, no further comment or description necessary. There were descriptions provided. What are you doing with those?

 

[Noxot]

Yes, but some description would help. Traditionally, Christianity didn't just say there is a Trinity and that's it, no further comment or description necessary. There were descriptions provided. What are you doing with those?

I always describe it. there is the Father, the Son, and the kingdom of God who is the Holy Spirit and the resolving unity of reality. if one exist in only duality, of the Father and the Son, then there is the possibility of an endless duality and separation from God. if only the Father exist, then none of us has freedom and God is responsible for all our sins and actions. the Holy Spirit is the joining love of the Father and the Son, the fullness of life. if there is no movement in God then there is no creation. that is why that the Trinity are the three workings inside of the divinity and that is why things happen and why God is both eternally at rest and eternally in motion. describing God is only useful to pull people closer to God, the thing God wants is the entire person who ask about him. this is the best way to know God - to be with him. it is useless to speak about him compared to living in him.

so I see God being love because of the nature of the Trinity.

 

[Noxot]

the Trinity is a great description of God because it preserves the first two people but it also reveals a third. that is what real love is. the love of the first two is revealed in the third. therefore endless unity happens because the first two are not blotted out, they are still themselves, but there is also the final unity of the two in that third person. it is the endless beauty of God and all of what we are rooted in, it is why we exist.

if you want more of a description of the Trinity then look anywhere, the saints say that he is shown in all of reality. one example I know of is that when you read a book then it means that your perception is joined to what the book says and that creates a new thing because your understanding is joined with the expressed understanding of the book.

dogmas are what people who had spiritual experiences with God wrote down. dogmas don't have authority over the spirit or the life that is lived in God. only those who are further away from God submit to dogmas, and they usually don't see them as clearly due to them not having tasted as much of what the one who came up with the dogma did, not to mention each soul speaks their own language and describes God in a manner that is not separated from themselves. but those who are near to God understand the dogmas more clearly because of their nearness to higher things. but God is like a blinding light, the perception knows light but God is darkness, he is always more than we can comprehend, that is why we are being expanded forever, because when a finite mind is united to an infinite mind it means that the finite mind must also be in some way infinite. and we are experiencing that forever which is why we will live forever. also each of us is unique, I might know one facet of God and not know others and all that creates variables which make me different from the next person.

it is like a garden with many different good things growing. they each look different but also they are in some ways the same. words and thought are limited and thus have bounds as to what they can talk about and so i can't describe God that much to anyone, I don't know how to, I can only know God for myself. I know that God is reality, that he is at the very core of it and i love it but I don't know what it is, but it knows me and loves me and I will hear it forever.

the higher and more mystical way to know God is in love to God. that is what mary is the symbol of. martha is the symbol for the dogmas and institutions of God, which ofc is good, just not as needed as the sitting at the Lords feet is. both must be lived out with God.

 

[Noxot]

I don't know if I could do better at describing God. hopefully I said something good. the saints say that God is simple. I could try to describe him with one word. maybe - one. holy. love. divine. freedom. beauty. sweetness. light. life. being. ocean. goodness. desire. truth. justice. joining. fire.

I think any of those would lead a man very near to God if he went after them enough. but really even the word "Trinity" speaks a lot about what God is. i wish I could talk about him more. maybe someone else could know God in different ways and talk about him.

 

[Hoghead1]

the Trinity is a great description of God because it preserves the first two people but it also reveals a third. that is what real love is. the love of the first two is revealed in the third. therefore endless unity happens because the first two are not blotted out, they are still themselves, but there is also the final unity of the two in that third person. it is the endless beauty of God and all of what we are rooted in, it is why we exist.

if you want more of a description of the Trinity then look anywhere, the saints say that he is shown in all of reality. one example I know of is that when you read a book then it means that your perception is joined to what the book says and that creates a new thing because your understanding is joined with the expressed understanding of the book.

dogmas are what people who had spiritual experiences with God wrote down. dogmas don't have authority over the spirit or the life that is lived in God. only those who are further away from God submit to dogmas, and they usually don't see them as clearly due to them not having tasted as much of what the one who came up with the dogma did, not to mention each soul speaks their own language and describes God in a manner that is not separated from themselves. but those who are near to God understand the dogmas more clearly because of their nearness to higher things. but God is like a blinding light, the perception knows light but God is darkness, he is always more than we can comprehend, that is why we are being expanded forever, because when a finite mind is united to an infinite mind it means that the finite mind must also be in some way infinite. and we are experiencing that forever which is why we will live forever. also each of us is unique, I might know one facet of God and not know others and all that creates variables which make me different from the next person.

it is like a garden with many different good things growing. they each look different but also they are in some ways the same. words and thought are limited and thus have bounds as to what they can talk about and so i can't describe God that much to anyone, I don't know how to, I can only know God for myself. I know that God is reality, that he is at the very core of it and i love it but I don't know what it is, but it knows me and loves me and I will hear it forever.

the higher and more mystical way to know God is in love to God. that is what mary is the symbol of. martha is the symbol for the dogmas and institutions of God, which ofc is good, just not as needed as the sitting at the Lords feet is. both must be lived out with God.

Yes, but you see, the Trinity is a dogma.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't know if I could do better at describing God. hopefully I said something good. the saints say that God is simple. I could try to describe him with one word. maybe - one. holy. love. divine. freedom. beauty. sweetness. light. life. being. ocean. goodness. desire. truth. justice. joining. fire.

I think any of those would lead a man very near to God if he went after them enough. but really even the word "Trinity" speaks a lot about what God is. i wish I could talk about him more. maybe someone else could know God in different ways and talk about him.

Your post seems to avoid some major Trinitarian issues and concerns. For example, are you saying there are three distinct, unique personalities that love one another? If so, this sure seems like tritheism. What is the role of the Spirit? Is the Spirit a person, a personality, or just the love between the Father and the Son? What?

 

[Hoghead1]

I always describe it. there is the Father, the Son, and the kingdom of God who is the Holy Spirit and the resolving unity of reality. if one exist in only duality, of the Father and the Son, then there is the possibility of an endless duality and separation from God. if only the Father exist, then none of us has freedom and God is responsible for all our sins and actions. the Holy Spirit is the joining love of the Father and the Son, the fullness of life. if there is no movement in God then there is no creation. that is why that the Trinity are the three workings inside of the divinity and that is why things happen and why God is both eternally at rest and eternally in motion. describing God is only useful to pull people closer to God, the thing God wants is the entire person who ask about him. this is the best way to know God - to be with him. it is useless to speak about him compared to living in him.

so I see God being love because of the nature of the Trinity.

Yes, but are you saying the Father and Son are two distinct personalities, and the Spirit is their love? Isn't that really ditheism?