Those into end times.... Can not be prevented, but postponed right now...

[Archmike]

The Great Tribulation is over! It can never happen again. The OT was about God's relationship with the Israelites/Jews. The unbelieving Jews were punished for rejecting God's Son just as prophesied by Daniel, Jesus, and John.

The NT is for God's people, the Christians. They are the people who do accept God's Son.

I hope - for your sake Jan - you are correct. However, if you are wrong ( and I believe, strongly, you are ), then you will be one of those who were taken by surprise when the GT is upon you. But, I have confidence you will rise to the occasion and witness for Christ at that time.

 

[iamlamad]

The Great Tribulation is over! It can never happen again. The OT was about God's relationship with the Israelites/Jews. The unbelieving Jews were punished for rejecting God's Son just as prophesied by Daniel, Jesus, and John.

The NT is for God's people, the Christians. They are the people who do accept God's Son.

This just may be one of the greatest myths written on this thread. Even in Paul's day some were teaching (falsely) that the Day of the Lord had already come. Paul tells them that when they see the man of sin enter the temple and say he is God, THEN they can know the DAY has come.

Well. that Day of the Lord STILL has not come, yet we still find people telling us it has.
Readers, the days of Great Tribulation that Jesus spoke of is still very much future to us today, as are the 7 trumpet judgments and the 7 vials.
FUTURE is not a bad word.

 

[Archmike]

In no way did what is Written in Daniel or Revelation all happen by 70AD. Obviously it wasn't the last days then. You must treat most of Bible prophecy as spiritual or meaningless, to believe that.
No, we are now on the edge of great and terrible events. As Christians, we can know about God's plans, He has given us all the information; to ignore it is foolishness.

Well said, Keras !

 

[iamlamad]

The precise timing of end times, God knows, but, we do not, though many claim to, and because of that, it does not necessarily have to happen "right now" and "appears to be" that we may, and we have to proceed as if we do, "have" some kind of choice or control over or about it... Is what I meant...

Because we don't know, and he does, we still have to proceed as if their is and it is dependent on our choices in the matter...

Those claiming that "they know" we are in the end times now, something Jesus himself did not even know, but only the Father, is the height of arrogance and stupidity... We have to say "we do not know" and try to take positive steps for it not to happen or be right now... To be doing the Lord's will and work...

God Bless!

This is not really truth: it is the time of Christ's coming that not even He knows. Even the bible states that the time of Christ was "last days." And even then, it is the "day" and "hour" that He does not know. Will He know the week? How about the month or year? That is possible. He certainly knows it is close, for the many who have been allowed to visit heaven, He tells them He will come "before anyone thinks" He will come. And many have seen the tables for the marriage supper all prepared and waiting.

 

[iamlamad]

What does Jesus instruct here....

Matthew 24.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


Now how can Jesus not know himself, and make that statement in verse 34?

If you are not interested in eschatology, I think you may be in the wrong forum. No-one is being forced to participate here.

Jesus is coming soon. And his reward is with him.

What does Jesus say in this verse?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
.

Good! Right ON! SOON! "At the doors!"

 

[Archmike]

Matthew 24:32-35:

32 Now learn the parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Now let me interpret, and rewrite Christ's words, showing you what he meant in today's plain language, taking note of the following symbology:

fig tree = Nation Israel / Judaism regathered ( the fig tree has always stood as a symbol of Israel ).
branches = new descendants from the root of David in a regathered nation.
Tender = newly-reborn nation / fresh, hurtful memories from Holocaust.
leaves = the spring of the year / early history of regathered nation.
summer = The season of heat against the fully-blossomed nation, and those that subscribe to the tenets of God ( namely Christians ).

Christ's words rewritten:

When the newly-formed nation of Israel, which will have surviving descendants of Judaism tender in their remembrance of their holocaust, and in remembrance of their long wanderings, begins to have new life as a nation gathered together, as leaves coming forth from new branches on a tree during the spring of the year after a long winter sleep, then the generation that starts with this event shall not pass away, until they witness all the other signs of the times I have given you, and the fulfillment of all prophecy unto the end of the age, when the heat of summer is upon them in a Great Tribulation and wrath. And my words concerning this shall survive until that future time, and all time, as a benefit to that generation, and all generations.



Israel was regathered as a nation in Palestine in 1948. If an Israeli citizen was born in, say, 1950, then the fulfillment of all prophecy would be complete by the end of that person's lifetime. If that person lived until he was 90 years old, then the fulfillment of all prophecy would be complete by:



1950 + 90 yrs = 2040 AD.... AT THE LATEST !!



Buckle your seat-belts, baby, take a deep breath, and strengthen your Faiths !! We are about to go thru one helluva End Times ride....

 

[Archmike]

Twenty-seven ( 27 ) Signs Christ foretold that COULD NOT and DID NOT occur in the 1st century:

1) False Prophets were NOT declaring themselves Christ in 70AD.
Mt 24:5, 24, Mk 13:6, Lk 21:8

2) False Prophets were NOT showing great signs and wonders in 70AD.
Mt 24:11,24, Mk 13:22

3) The Gospel was NOT preached and PUBLISHED among all the nations of earth in 70AD.
Mt 24:14, Mk 13:10

4) Social conditions were NOT like the days of Noah or Sodom in 70AD.
Mt 24:37-39

5) The 1st century world was NOT ended to save what flesh remained in 70AD.
Mt 24:22, Mk 13:20

6) Both the sun and moon were NOT darkened at the same time in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:24, Lk 21:25

7) The stars of heaven were NOT shaken and fallen in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:25, Lk 21:25

8) The Abomination of Desolation did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:15, Mk 13:14, 2 Thess 2:1-4

10) These were NOT the days of vengence, in 70AD, when all that was written would be fulfilled.
Lk 21:22

11) There were no fearful sights and great signs from Heaven in 70AD.
Mk 13:24 & 25, Lk 21:11, 25, 26

12) The "time of the gentiles" were NOT fulfilled in 70AD.
Lk 21:24

13) Christians did NOT live until the end of the age in 70AD.
Mt 24:13, Mk 13:13

14) The "love of many" did NOT "wax cold" in 70AD.
Mt 24:12

15) The Roman army that compassed Jerusalem in 70AD was NOT AC's army.
Lk 21:20

16) A "falling-away from The Faith" did NOT occur in 70AD.
2 Thess 2:1-4

17) Brother did NOT betray brother, and Children their parents in 70AD.
Mt 24:10, Mk 13:12, Lk 21:16

18) The Gathering did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:30 & 31, Mk 13: 26 & 27, Lk 21: 27

19) All that was written in the O & NT, did NOT come to fulfillment in 70AD.
Lk 21:22

20) The Revelation was NOT written yet, and The Bible NOT assembled in 70AD.
Implied by historical fact.

21) The Temple destruction was NOT a sudden event in 70AD.
The Jewish revolt started 3 years prior.

22) The Great Tribulation did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:21, 29, Mk 13:19

23) Men were NOT dying because of fear of what was coming in 70AD.
Lk 21:26

24) The "powers of Heaven" were NOT "shaken" in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:25, Lk 21:26

25) All the tribes of the earth did NOT mourn in 70AD.
Mt 24:30

26) Wars, commotions, afflictions and troubles did NOT occur. The Roman Empire was relatively peaceful from 0-100 AD.
Mt 24:6 & 7, Mk 13: 7 & 8, Lk 21: 9-11

27) The 1st century were NOT days that were so horrific, nothing to that point was a bad as they were, and so nothing after it were like it.
Mt 24:21, Mk 13:19

 

[iamlamad]

Twenty-seven ( 27 ) Signs Christ foretold that COULD NOT and DID NOT occur in the 1st century:

1) False Prophets were NOT declaring themselves Christ in 70AD.
Mt 24:5, 24, Mk 13:6, Lk 21:8

2) False Prophets were NOT showing great signs and wonders in 70AD.
Mt 24:11,24, Mk 13:22

3) The Gospel was NOT preached and PUBLISHED among all the nations of earth in 70AD.
Mt 24:14, Mk 13:10

4) Social conditions were NOT like the days of Noah or Sodom in 70AD.
Mt 24:37-39

5) The 1st century world was NOT ended to save what flesh remained in 70AD.
Mt 24:22, Mk 13:20

6) Both the sun and moon were NOT darkened at the same time in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:24, Lk 21:25

7) The stars of heaven were NOT shaken and fallen in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:25, Lk 21:25

8) The Abomination of Desolation did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:15, Mk 13:14, 2 Thess 2:1-4

10) These were NOT the days of vengence, in 70AD, when all that was written would be fulfilled.
Lk 21:22

11) There were no fearful sights and great signs from Heaven in 70AD.
Mk 13:24 & 25, Lk 21:11, 25, 26

12) The "time of the gentiles" were NOT fulfilled in 70AD.
Lk 21:24

13) Christians did NOT live until the end of the age in 70AD.
Mt 24:13, Mk 13:13

14) The "love of many" did NOT "wax cold" in 70AD.
Mt 24:12

15) The Roman army that compassed Jerusalem in 70AD was NOT AC's army.
Lk 21:20

16) A "falling-away from The Faith" did NOT occur in 70AD.
2 Thess 2:1-4

17) Brother did NOT betray brother, and Children their parents in 70AD.
Mt 24:10, Mk 13:12, Lk 21:16

18) The Gathering did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:30 & 31, Mk 13: 26 & 27, Lk 21: 27

19) All that was written in the O & NT, did NOT come to fulfillment in 70AD.
Lk 21:22

20) The Revelation was NOT written yet, and The Bible NOT assembled in 70AD.
Implied by historical fact.

21) The Temple destruction was NOT a sudden event in 70AD.
The Jewish revolt started 3 years prior.

22) The Great Tribulation did NOT occur in 70AD.
Mt 24:21, 29, Mk 13:19

23) Men were NOT dying because of fear of what was coming in 70AD.
Lk 21:26

24) The "powers of Heaven" were NOT "shaken" in 70AD.
Mt 24:29, Mk 13:25, Lk 21:26

25) All the tribes of the earth did NOT mourn in 70AD.
Mt 24:30

26) Wars, commotions, afflictions and troubles did NOT occur. The Roman Empire was relatively peaceful from 0-100 AD.
Mt 24:6 & 7, Mk 13: 7 & 8, Lk 21: 9-11

27) The 1st century were NOT days that were so horrific, nothing to that point was a bad as they were, and so nothing after it were like it.
Mt 24:21, Mk 13:19

This is a great post! It is TRUTH.

 

[Neogaia777]

This is not really truth: it is the time of Christ's coming that not even He knows. Even the bible states that the time of Christ was "last days." And even then, it is the "day" and "hour" that He does not know. Will He know the week? How about the month or year? That is possible. He certainly knows it is close, for the many who have been allowed to visit heaven, He tells them He will come "before anyone thinks" He will come. And many have seen the tables for the marriage supper all prepared and waiting.

It can come close, and still turn around and not happen right then, is part of my point...

 

[Neogaia777]

Good! Right ON! SOON! "At the doors!"

Are you anxiously anticipating, even hoping that the end to come soon...?

If so, you are sinning...

What happens if and when it doesn't, if it doesn't...

God Bless!

 

[keras]

Are you anxiously anticipating, even hoping that the end to come soon...?
If so, you are sinning...

Your sin is in believing what others tell you and not reading the Bible prophets for yourself.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on.......
Psalms 65:1-3 The Lord springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke and the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
1 Peter 4:12-19 Do not be afraid of the fiery ordeal that comes to test everyone. Judgement is coming, continue in your faith, entrust your souls to Him, your Maker will not fail you.

 

[Neogaia777]

Your sin is in believing what others tell you and not reading the Bible prophets for yourself.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on.......
Psalms 65:1-3 The Lord springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke and the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
1 Peter 4:12-19 Do not be afraid of the fiery ordeal that comes to test everyone. Judgement is coming, continue in your faith, entrust your souls to Him, your Maker will not fail you.

How do we "work" to "hasten it on"...? I ask you...?

We are not to "hate our enemies" or wish anything bad or evil upon them, but, blessings, and good will, or good wishes, or work to as what is "best" for them, according to Jesus, who is the "prime authority"...

We are not to create "divisions" like friend from foe, or righteous from wicked either, or good from evil, as it applies to other persons, lest we bring God's judgment upon ourselves.

According to Jesus, we are to be "peacemakers" with "all men" and always have "goodwill" or a good will toward them, or the best thing for them...

So, I ask you again, "How do we "work" to "hasten it on"...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Your sin is in believing what others tell you and not reading the Bible prophets for yourself.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on.......
Psalms 65:1-3 The Lord springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke and the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
1 Peter 4:12-19 Do not be afraid of the fiery ordeal that comes to test everyone. Judgement is coming, continue in your faith, entrust your souls to Him, your Maker will not fail you.

Hoping that the lord will return, and wishing the cataclysmic events of the end times to befall other people that we do not like, or even hate, are two different things entirely...

 

[Neogaia777]

Your sin is in believing what others tell you and not reading the Bible prophets for yourself.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on.......
Psalms 65:1-3 The Lord springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke and the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
1 Peter 4:12-19 Do not be afraid of the fiery ordeal that comes to test everyone. Judgement is coming, continue in your faith, entrust your souls to Him, your Maker will not fail you.

Many of you are not doing the right kind of work to hasten it on, but the wrong kind of work, that still does hasten it on, and many of you do not even know it!

It is that, that I am against...

It is as Paul says "Let us do the evil things so that the good may come." (Romans 3:8)

And many of you in the "church" the "religious" are going to be very shocked when Jesus comes for his "true church"... Those not doing evil or wicked things nor wishing these things at or against or for or directed at "other people" (purposely, though the side effects still are a reality) who will be mostly of the world, and more of a "sinner" in your eyes and judgment (cause you judge) than you! (Matthew 21:31)... Most of you will be very shocked indeed!

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Many of you are not doing the right kind of work to hasten it on, but the wrong kind of work, that still does hasten it on, and many of you do not even know it!

It is that, that I am against...

It is as Paul says "Let us do the evil things so that the good may come." (Romans 3:8)

And many of you in the "church" the "religious" are going to be very shocked when Jesus comes for his "true church"... Those not doing evil or wicked things nor wishing these things at or against or for or directed at "other people" (purposely, though the side effects still are a reality) who will be mostly of the world, and more of a "sinner" in your eyes and judgment (cause you judge) than you! (Matthew 21:31)... Most of you will be very shocked indeed!

God Bless!

Many of you are going to see a guy disappear, or some people disappear, and you left behind and be saying, and scratching you heads saying, "Wait a minute...? I know that guy was a meth head, an alcoholic, pot smoker, street walker, homosexual, ect... God "I" "never did" "any" of "those things"... "Why" am "I" "still here"!

And "this" will be "why", or the "dividing line" I think...

Who is my neighbor...?

God Bless!

 

[Archmike]

This is a great post! It is TRUTH.

Thank You, Lamad ! I wrote it....

I would like to add a 28th point, as follows:

28) The Olivet and Temple Discourses ( Matt 24 / Mk 13 / Luke 21 ) were given by Christ TO, AND FOR, CHRISTIANS OF A FUTURE, END TIME GENERATION. We can deduce that these discourses were for a future generation because 1), the Bible wasn't even assembled in 70AD. 2), the Gospels ( where the discourses are found ) weren't even copied for general circulation in 70 AD, and possibly not even written yet, and 3), Christians of 70AD were mostly found in the newly-formed churches of Asia Minor and weren't even affected by the Jewish Revolt in Palestine of 66-70AD.


Conclusion: One must understand that we are instructed to watch for ALL these signs to come to pass - NOT just "some of them" - so that we would see their fulfillment within our lifetimes, and see The Gathering of The Elect. Therefore, this prophecy is yet in our future.

 

[iamlamad]

Are you anxiously anticipating, even hoping that the end to come soon...?

If so, you are sinning...

What happens if and when it doesn't, if it doesn't...

God Bless!

This is simply not truth. How many times in the gospels did Christ warn us to be WATCHING? Watching would include some kind of anticipation. I fear that many who don't want Jesus to return today because they have plans - will be left behind. We are always to be expecting Him TODAY!

 

[iamlamad]

Many of you are not doing the right kind of work to hasten it on, but the wrong kind of work, that still does hasten it on, and many of you do not even know it!

It is that, that I am against...

It is as Paul says "Let us do the evil things so that the good may come." (Romans 3:8)

And many of you in the "church" the "religious" are going to be very shocked when Jesus comes for his "true church"... Those not doing evil or wicked things nor wishing these things at or against or for or directed at "other people" (purposely, though the side effects still are a reality) who will be mostly of the world, and more of a "sinner" in your eyes and judgment (cause you judge) than you! (Matthew 21:31)... Most of you will be very shocked indeed!

God Bless!

Our work in general is to fulfill the great commission. But individually our work, if we accept it, is to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in what He has called EACH OF US to do.
Many people think "my ministry" when in reality it is the Holy Spirit's ministry and we are to cooperate with Him in whatever He calls each of us to do. Some may only clean church restrooms. Others may repair church electrical problems. Some may go to Timbuktu and start a church. Each believer should be close enough to the Holy Spirit to find out what He wants THEM to do.

 

[Archmike]

This is simply not truth. How many times in the gospels did Christ warn us to be WATCHING? Watching would include some kind of anticipation. I fear that many who don't want Jesus to return today because they have plans - will be left behind. We are always to be expecting Him TODAY!

 

[Archmike]

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