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This generation shall not pass away...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Achilles6129, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Ditto.

    Only the Remnant represents the Jews throughout all generations Romans 11:5. Judaism and securalism is much more popular than Christianity to Jews.
     
  2. shturt678s

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    :thumbsup: Appalling for me thinking about the little ones where secularism has even crept into our churches, ie, we can have Jesus plus the agape for the world too.

    Hopefully I'm wrong,

    Old Jack

    btw :thumbsup: your ref. to Rom.11:5, good job!
     
  3. Interplanner

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    I favor your treatment of 11:5, but to make sure: do you find that this was meant to be the belief for all time? I do. That is why I have the doctrine about 11:26 that "all Israel" meant all through time as well. This gives a total of 3 illustrations of this, just in ch 11.

    Ie, 11:26 does not mean a futurist 'snapshot' of a moment when everyone in a re-landed Israel become Christians. Because then "all" no longer means all. And because it is dependent on the quotes from Isaiah which are historic/past tense to Paul. He's referring to all those people who believe the Redeemer removed the debt of sin. Which is what the new covenant is, because it is not with individuals, it is with Christ our representative.
     
  4. shturt678s

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    And believe it or not, there will be a few towards the very end, ie, right before the loosing of Satan that truly embrace the promise, ie, born anew God's way.

    Unbelievable??? :eek:

    Old Jack

    btw hope there will be a few of the superficial Christains that also embrace the promise - God's way..
     
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  6. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Absolutely it all becomes evidently clear when one reads:

    Romans 9:6-9, 11, 22-25, 30-32

    Romans 10:1-3, 20-21

    Romans 11:5, 7, 11
     
  7. SG9

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    What was the Ark then, and what is it now? Did John see the same Ark as all other prophets? I'm trying to gather some information from your thoughts, if you don't mind me asking. Thanks :)
     
  8. SG9

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    Hi Jack, all in humor, your comment that I noted caught my eye (as in 'single eye') and I chuckled a bit when I pondered the thought in my mind; I suppose we are in the 'day' when we hear it a lot, perhaps? I used it recently, myself. :wave:

    I hope that you are doing well today, :) Thanks

    BTW, I like my Two EGGS Sunny-side UP :)
     
  9. coraline

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    Christ was speaking about His contemporary generation.

    This means this. And the phrase "this generation" ALWAYS means the generation living at the time."
     
  10. SG9

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    Excellent observation, Christ spoke while He was alive in flesh. He also spoke after the resurrection which is another beginning. Don't confuse which generation lest to say that the New Covenant is like the Old.

    What He spoke of then before the Cross is not the same as after the Cross. The Word also speaks in Spirit and in Truth. If Christ be in the Father, and the Father be in Christ therefore, there are two components, the flesh and the spirit, and if we deny this we then deny ourselves, and cannot receive the Holy Spirit in our flesh, rather we must have an out of the body experience and go to meet the Holy Spirit, and never see Him come as our counselor, nor hear the Truth He brings.

    It's a never ending story, and the earth will never pass away either but it sure has been too easy to pass away His Word with propaganda. Eschatology has cast Christ into the multitude because of a liberated spirit. The crowd cries out to give them Barabbas, instead.
     
  11. coraline

    coraline Active Member

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    Oh, please.

    What kind of gospel are preaching?

    The spiritual man is the just that.

    Don't preach some other spirit friend!
     
  12. SG9

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    It wasn't intended to be like the TV show, "Highway to Heaven", and Christ isn't Michael Landon but He will Land as Michael, I promise. :)
     
  13. shturt678s

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    Always? Matt.24:34, "this generation" refers to only to the contemporary genration is untenable. :idea:

    Old sunny side up Jack
     
  14. coraline

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    Jack, you say that but let's see if the scripture makes it perfectly tenable:
    Generation in the NT[FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]
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    1 The book of the GENERATIONof Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
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    [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]MATTHEW 3[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]
    7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O GENERATIONof vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
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    [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]MATTHEW 11[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]
    16 But where unto shall I liken this GENERATION? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
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    34 O GENERATIONof vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous GENERATION seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this GENERATION, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
    42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this GENERATION, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
    45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked GENERATION.
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    4 A wicked and adulterous GENERATIONseeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
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    17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse GENERATION, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
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    33 Ye serpents, ye GENERATIONof vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
    36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this GENERATION.
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    34 Verily I say unto you, This GENERATIONshall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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  15. coraline

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    [FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]MARK 8[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=arial, helvatica][FONT=arial, helvatica]
    12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this GENERATIONseek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this GENERATION.
    38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful GENERATION; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
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    19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless GENERATION, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
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    30 Verily I say unto you, that this GENERATIONshall not pass, till all these things be done.
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    50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from GENERATIONto GENERATION.
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    7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O GENERATIONof vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
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    31 And the Lord said, Where unto then shall I liken the men of this GENERATION? and to what are they like?
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    41 And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse GENERATION, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.
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    29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil GENERATION: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
    30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this GENERATION.
    31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this GENERATION, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
    32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this GENERATION, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
    50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this GENERATION;
    51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this GENERATION.
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    8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their GENERATIONwiser than the children of light.
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    25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this GENERATION.
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    32 Verily I say unto you, This GENERATIONshall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
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    40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward GENERATION.
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    33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his GENERATION? for his life is taken from the earth.
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    36 For David, after he had served his own GENERATIONby the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
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    10 Wherefore I was grieved with that GENERATION, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
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    9 But ye are a chosen GENERATION, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;
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    After reading all of these scriptures it is clear that a generation in the new testament always referred to the people living during that time. We also can see that it was obvious that impending judgment was about ready to come to that generation. From here I want to go to the book of Leviticus
    where Moses tells them what will befall them in the last days and when you compare all the generation scriptures to Leviticus you will see that god's coming was a coming presence to judge the wicked and restore his people back to the way it was before the fall of Adam and to complete and marry his new covenant people under grace. ~ Partial expo by Virgil Vaduza
     
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  16. SG9

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    Hi Jack, your eggs are coming RIGHT UP.

    Matthew 24:34-35
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    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


    IMHO, there are three days to count in this picture, there are parallel's to the 'three days' when He will raise up the Temple. Verse 35, and 36 speak of beginnings and endings, and from one beginning comes an ending and the a new beginning again. As I said before, there must be the third day or else Christ did not resurrect.

    The timing must be in context, and as I said before, there are an image of '2' in this prophecy, as well. It shadows the 2000 years from His Crucifixion until now, and verse 36 goes on to address the timing of this prophecy by saying that no man will know precisely when but we can know by the signs and seasons, and I believe this to incorporate the sign of Jonas, as well as many more that link like small blood vessels, one to another.

    Christ finished the first Temple, and it was torn down when His flesh passed from the third dimension, which is another parallel. He then ascended into heaven but He can't be in flesh because it doesn't compute. These three verses, when properly interpreted say that the world is wrong, and reason being of the upside down mind, that does compute when using the model of the Cross.

    Christ then, after the second thousand years are ended, which then goes into the third day, He then arose early that day, on the third day, a day is a thousand years in this prophecy.

    He raises up again on the third day, not the fourth.

    And it says that He must come in flesh, or else we remain upside down. To say it another way, all who believe the truth that Christ comes in flesh when He comes to earth, each and every time that He does will see the Kingdom of heaven, and it means here on earth, when He reigns for the next millennium, and then all will repeat, and it's an Never Ending Story.

    When He passes away so does the word, and so does the heaven but there are sequential events that bring a new Seed from the previous seed, and with the Gardening instructions as the New Revelation.

    This is the truth about the prophecy, and only briefly explained. Jack, from the world's POV it will make sense if one stand on the head, and reason is the truth is upright.

    Any denial is as standing on Christ's tombstone and not allowing Him to rise. The Two part, two thousand year space of time is an Image of the Two Witnesses come, the Third day on which Christ will rise on Earth, (the first is in heaven, then on earth it is kept). You missed a number of parallel's in your classroom. Perhaps, you should take a seat for a 'change'? (as in flip, better yet, TRADING Spaces, feet for the head- the direction of the Cross in mind-upright in law).

    The scriptures have not lied but only the world. The world looks like natives who have carried baskets on their head much too long. Christ said in other words, let down that heavy basket and give your 'head' (not feet as the upside world would say) a REST and sit a spell with me, just for a day (thousand years, even in the beginning, just as in the Ending). The Seventh day Covenant is a Thousand Year Covenant for the generation in that it's to come, as in the Seed that comes from a Fig after it was first Seed, grew, matured and produced, and died, decayed, processed, and the process of a new Seed must sprout, as in a Spark, and that too is in prophecy, as parallel.

    Do the math, it's all on and in the Cross, and only 10 numbers to count. It doesn't take a world of education to be intelligent, in fact it's impossible to be intelligent and increase if the mind is inverted as the prophecies tell us in an intelligent language.

    All of what I wrote about in that one thread about the argument for the dialectic language is consistent, and in all. Once the man sees that he must pay attention to the red lights that are flashing in his rear view mirror he might then pull over to hear what the Officer has to say.

    In our world today, just as I said all spiritual things and behavior of man are manifested in his natural mind, and behavior, and the high speed auto chases are exactly precise to illustrate the failure in this prophecy.

    Jack, you're too old to be driving this fast, and even without your 'Glasses'.
    I'll let you go this time with only a warning but don't let me catch you again driving the wrong way on my highway or else I'll have to take you into captivity, and I'll through the Key away.

    Sheriff John has been resurrected in a Retro TV show, and you just watched the first episode of the first season.

    Jack, Christ is not bringing back an old Retro TV show, Flipper is dead.

    G-d, YHWH, Yahweh Bless you Jack. Your eggs overcooked, and the yoke is hard;

    What would you do if you cooked your Two eggs too long? :confused:

    That is the question :idea:

    SG9
     
  17. coraline

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    Well, I hope you don't take meds for that "reality" friend.

    Take care.
     
  18. SG9

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    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

    Albert Einstein


    What is 'Reality'? Care to have an intelligent conversation?

    Thanks :)
     
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    Maybe when you spell God properly!
     
  20. SG9

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    Nagging about the name issue, still? Now, you are doing exactly what the Followers of Yaw do with their harping on people about the name and the spelling.

    It's obvious that you perceive it as a god and by your spelling of the word, and yet it has no identity as to which god. There is a god for the upside down mind and one for the upright mind, each are law, and without law it would be like you removing the operating system software from your computer.

    You have no eschatological defense for this nor even in the proper subject to continually repeat your oppression about the spelling. It's like that of a Parrot, perhaps? A Parrot wouldn't know when the topic changed, or would it?

    Seems to me that you have dwelt around the Jews too long, and are the one who manifests the mindful thought to bring this into an intelligent conversation, and to defame it. I see you like looking into a crystal ball, and you inside saying: "YOU SPELLED IT WRONG!" Lol

    What if I spelled it liked this? Go_

    That is the question! :idea:

    Thanks :)
     
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