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This generation shall not pass away...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Achilles6129, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. coraline

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    I'm not the one mocking God.

    Cya!
     
  2. SG9

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    Oh No? Don't you see your own point? The Cross proves you wrong with every word you say first, and what you say last. The characteristics of the genders are also defined in the Cross which is Christ and which is Law. To deny any is to mock Yahweh. Did I spell this name right according to your book? A Dictionary is not a Thesaurus, and you seem to have the two, err, rather everything confused.

    The nature of the male mind and the female mind are different regaedless what ignorant people say, and this entire world is ignorant, and with a Double "I" (II), as in Me-Me-, Eye-Eye, etc, etc.

    It took ONE Word to give direction (command), and Two to stir the Word in contrast. The Second Word was the Last in the Beginning, and the Last Word in the Ending is the First.

    The Bible Prophecies spell it clearly to the didactic mind, while the dialectic mind sees nothing. The dialectic mind is Gentile and instead of following the First Word/command given by the Last Commander, the woman (Eve) had the Last Word which collapsed the Last by substitution and it left the First naked.

    The behavior of any human is then placed under these two categories of consideration to be Judged, one is above the Law and because the mind is upright and male gender (North), and the other are under the Law as in fallen, and opposite of Yahweh in mind. To know how we are Judged is of the utmost importance or else we remain ignorant and postponed Judgment, and reason is Yahweh is Just, and He is Fair in all of His reasoning, and Judgments, and He being in Man is saying that all of these things that are in the prophecies are permissible by G-d, and all of the things that oppose G-d are not, Only the things that oppose Yahweh are permissible by them who use the upside down law to justify themselves, and all that they do, and say is obvious to the upright mind.

    To disagree is ignorance, to think otherwise is death. What men believe is right in their heart leads to death, and to deny this is to mock Yahweh. The accuser of the brethren all have the same upside down mind, and all upright minds see the upside down mind like an entire world inverted but not all at once, rather over an evolution of mind.

    Example, Prez Obama said to the world that his decision in favor for pro-gay marriage was not a sudden decision but it was something that had 'evolved', and this went 'swoosh' over every upside head in America, which has the Spirit of America. The Gentile nation are upside down in mind/spirit and G-d's people know because they will awaken and see as if being raised up out of the darkness of the tomb, and the wicked upside minds never raise and remain in the darkness of their dead spirit, which is like unto the First and without the Last, and all because they denied the Last Word which is upright and they TOOK/partake of the Second or Last Word by themselves. This is the nature of Eve's descendants which are apart from the Christ/Ending because they turn back to stand in the beginning which is Before the Ending hence the man lands in the space of time on day-6 and he/she both are without the one thousand year Sabbath Covenant.

    All that the upside down mind does reverses everything that is Holy, as it undoes all the the Son of Man did in Creation, and in essence the Male gender must suffer as the result, and the man is trodden with the Godhead, as the man is the Third component in this Trinity. This spans a number of topics because one flip in any one commandment does flip the entire Cross, and the mind follows after the beast.

    Now, the upright mind will follow the Son of Man, and of Man because it is gender sensitive. The wise virgins are all males and the foolish are females, whom if chosen to be a bride will be caught up later. They catch the bridal after the Wedding, and not be the actual Bride herself.

    One is spiritual in mind and the other carnal in mind, and the carnal must be led by the spiritual who see through the darkness of the tribulations when the world is desolate of GOD, YHWH, Yahweh, whom is ONE in ALL, He says, I AM.

    To continually hash back at me with the last word is against the law and all who do are under the law. All who are upright are above the Law and cannot be Judged by those who are under the Law. It's perfectly depicted in the Cross, and nearly every home in this world has one in some form or another, and nearly every American female wears one around her neck as a sign of their upside mind in a yoke that is worn on the outside. Everything is manifested in reverse, and outwardly in both behavior and speak which is measured in words, and are rightly divided by the spiritual man while the carnal mind knows only how to count on paper, and for their own measure of earthly treasures that is counted as money. Then comes more confusion, the Bitcoin, etc, etc. The carnal mind is working to find solutions while inverted.

    They are as passengers inside of a capsized Cruiser, and they remain alive only as long as the oxygen within the hull sustains them. They only hear tapping sounds come from the outside of the hull.

    Do the rescued scorn the rescuers? Go figure who was upright before the show curtains opened and the movie began, and then who finished last in the movie before the curtains closed for the close, and only for a time until the next show begins.

    Are they rescued? Stay tuned for the conclusion in tomorrow night's episode of the, 'Twilight Zone'.

    Tap, tap!

    Thanks :)
     
  3. shturt678s

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    Wanting to stay on your good side, ;) won't address the Scriptures = / = interpretive Bible translations that promote whatever wants to believe, and will only address a few passages. :thumbsup:

    Matt.23:33's "ye generation of vipers" is an inferior rendering. "offsprings of vipers" better, and in this case also does not refer to specifically that generation, ie, harks back to the beginning. :confused: The Baptist does not say "vipers," but "offsprings of vipers," for others had preceded them, and they had entered into the sin of their fathers, ie, characterization. :idea:

    Matt.24:34, "this generation", ie, this kind of men, contexdtually, continues until the end, ie, not only referring to the contemporary generation. :eek:

    Old Jack
     
  4. shturt678s

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    You remind of the time long ago when a waitress asked how I wanted my eggs, and I replied "anyway". She served me breakfast with two whole eggs thus I broke them over my toast only to see they were raw. I was the lol stock, and she could have gotten trouble with management. However I didn't say anything then, but didn't leave a tip; however now I will leave you a tip. ;) btw I found out she was having a rough morning, and you must be having a rough time with posters. ;)

    There is one point of the Parable of the Fig Tree (vs.32-35): Every sign advertises the "1" ending of the world, and the "1" Parousia. :idea: The so called "Temple" (ieron) is actually the "Sanctuary" (naos) that is being raised in men's hearts today, eg, IIThess.2:4, "Sanctuary". :eek:

    How do you like those eggs ^_^ Sorry, had a senior moment :D

    Thank you again as appreciate the encouraging words,

    Old Jack, admit

    known as a good egg, however slightly cracked :thumbsup:
     
  5. coraline

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    That makes no sense Jack!

    Since the scripture proves "this generation" to be the one living at that time, there is no "type" of interpretation of the text for the future generations of anyone- Jews, Arabs, Hindus, Buddhists, secularists humanists, wiccans, or even Christians.

    IOWS, no one has any authority to change the Text.
     
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  9. shturt678s

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    Maybe you're correct, ie, remember tomorrow is Presidents Day and I'm going to 2nd your nomination for a canidate, ie, I'm on your team. :thumbsup

    Matt.24:34, "this generation shall not pass away until all these things shall occur". thus regarding the view that genea and especially e genna aute, refers only to the contemporary generation, those living at the time when Jesus spoke is untennable or tennable? :confused:

    A look at the use of dor in the O.T. and at its regular translation by genea in the LXX reveals that a kind of men is referred to, the evil kind that reproduces and succeeds itself as many physical generations. :idea: Compare Ps.12:7: "Thou shall pereserve them from this generation forever"; Ps.78:8, the fathers (many physical generations of them); Ps.14:5, "the generation of the righteous"; Ps.24:6; 73:15; 112:3; Deut.32:5, 20; Prov.30:11-14; Isaiah often; Jer.7:29, etc. From these passages turn to dthe N.T. and in addition to the Gospels note Acts2:40; Phil.2:15; Heb.3:10.

    Sometimes the evil manifested by the kind of men referred to it indicated by modifiers, as in Matt.16:4; 17:17; Mk.8:38, but often the context does this. In the present condition the meaning of "generation" is plain, ie, not Textually, however Contextually, for already in v.14 we were referred to "the end," and in vs.29-31 the end itself is described. :idea:

    Sorry, I trid to make your view win over the canidates for a kick-start, but your view is untennable. :sorry:

    Old Jack,

    Still on your team
     
  10. coraline

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    Both textually and contextually Jesus' phrase "this generation" (genea) means His contemporary generation in the Greek.

    Now, you may find "all things fulfilled" untenable to your doctrine.

    But it still doesn't change the exact meaning of "this generation" in the Text.
     
  11. shturt678s

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    Just to encourage you, Matt.24:34: "all these things shall occur" before this generation passes away being the succession of signs through the ages while this kind of men continues and their tribe has not ceased. :idea:

    "This generation" consists of the type of Jews whom Jesus contended with during this Tuesday, ie, this type of Jew will continue to the very "1" Parousia. :eek:

    Old encouraging Jack :thumbsup:
     
  12. coraline

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    "Types of Jews?"

    Jack, "genea" doesn't mean a "type" of Jew.

    I don't want to beat a dead horse bc you are a nice person otherwise.

    So cheers!
     
  13. SG9

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    Hi Jack, I'm serious, really, and this is simply a model to use in comparison that is showing how His Coming and going is like switching a light on and off and on.

    I am challenging intelligence with common and simple objects in parallel, and it is intimidating to adults, I agree but it must be stuff that babes can relate with in simple presentations that use even baby blocks in comparison if needed. I'm serious.

    If the bulb fail to light at the next flip of the switch then, his Word will pass away but not the source from which it came. If the bulb burn out then, the electricity will still be present in the switch and at the socket, even while standing at the door (Contact). [compare to movie]

    When a flip of the switch occurs it changes status from either on to off, or off to on, and it may be repeated until anyone of the elements disappear, and then reappear to cause the Light to come forth.

    Now, the Light is what we look for, expect, use and depend on for sight in the third dimension, and we place our faith in it, and we do 'dispense' our faith in the system, i.e., the light bulb, fixture, switch, wiring, the invisible power, and all that gives it it's brilliant glory and illumination hence, a general hope in instinctive thoughts are formed. Electricity is the invisible force in this parable, and it is spirit and more; it carries an Identity.

    This typical model of a light switch in a circuit, and light bulb work together in the circuit whether they be making light or not (fruitful & multiply- in season or out of season), they must have a circuit in agreement, and with only one power as the seed, which is parallel to the Seventh-day covenant that was made for a shadow to the 2k space of time between the throws in the switch.

    The agreement keeps the source of power guaranteed as in the Seal that the Electric company puts on every meter. Only a status change is made in the components-on, off, and ON, again and the light bulb gives it's glory. If you don't see the light in the room come on it's because you are still under the bed covers.

    Jack, go to your room, and spend the next 'two' hours flipping the light switch on and off, and contemplate the 'process' in your mind, and with the notion that your thinking is reversed, and see how the OFF becomes the ON, and the ON becomes the OFF. During the switches, close one eye, and repeat, close both eyes and repeat, open one eye and repeat, open both eyes and repeat, and do an analysis of all perceptions as going to and coming from each of the four Corners.

    It's really quite simple,

    your homework assignment:
    It only requires about two hours of flipping a switch, turning a light on and off while meditating on the prophecies. During the experiment, remove the light bulb and see what happens, while applying each step in the process. (Keep in mind, don't try this at home).

    Imagine the light bulb as a parallel to Christ's flesh, and the electricity as the Spirit of Father.

    The 'switch' is as a Sword, and an event such as change in Life, Law and Order, and Old to New by Resurrection. Any change from life to death, or death to life is as a flip in the 'Switch", and the switch be the soul of the one man, who is many things in parallel.


    The Christ is the ONE Light bulb to replace the one that burned out on the imaginary Christmas light strand. It was the Old Covenant as in the old circuit of the old light strand; one bulb burn out and they all do but the New covenant made it light the new circuit. No difference in colors, illumination, but only in a new circuit so that even when one falls, there is power for the others to shine forth their glory.

    If you study how nature works, even in man's works, we see the law in order, and at work, and it works only one way. Having knowledge of science and electricity is naturally a great help in understanding religion.

    Jack, it's as if I came to your house, and I noticed that the batteries in your remote control were backwards and the TV was not working; you were stuck on one channel, alone, and you told me that it was just working a moment ago, I'd be rather suspicious of you albeit, my only desire is to install the batteries correctly. :idea:

    And if your son asks you someday, "What on Earth are you doing, dad?", you will say unto him, I'm doing this (turning lights on and off) to remember when a man led all of the people of our land out of captivity in Egypt, and out of darkness, and guided us by the mighty arm of G-d, and into the Promised Land. The world flips at some point when the switch is toggled.

    There's an instant interruption right before the engagement, it's the law even practiced by man in science but entirely forgotten in religion.

    Albert Einstein said something like this: "Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind."

    This is just as if a Father is putting his son down to bed for the night and he turns off the light. The Father commands the son to sleep and don't stay up passed the hour. His son asks him why he uses the light switch, and light as he does.

    The parallel is only a parallel to the supernatural picture in heaven, and if we are to keep those things in heaven here also on earth then it's saying to remember this Covenant and how it was designed and how it works, and all will go well. Just the same, in parallel, remember how to change the light bulb, and use the switch, and don't substitute the electricity (G-d's Spirit) with any other such as don't change to another power Co. (faith) source for your Light. Our world, today we use Electrical power to give life to our work's, and this is evidence of a flip in spirit, that is defined in the Cross.

    There came an intruder (delusions from outer space-men/women mind's) disguised as an Electrician, and it looked like the Archangel (beast-man of sin), and had changed the wiring on the Temple's Electrical breaker box, and an alternate power was tapped in after losing the main source during the switch. This happened in 1844 to 1848 (space of 4, & time to traverse the mind, 4-corners). A secret swap was made to substitute the spirit/power with the natural elements by man's work's (economy/education/entertainment/technology).

    We, the world is currently as little children with flashlights under the bed covers after dad turned off the light for the night. The light just might be on in the room but one cannot know unless they peek out. China Syndrome occurs in the mind with a few switches in Identities of the cast. The North moves towards the South, and the South moves towards the North, and the switches were turned on and off in prophetic process's.

    What might one be teaching to do while under the bed covers? How is it affecting our behavior through the spirit?

    This is like the Father walking into the room and pulling back the covers, eeek! Nakedness is exposed. Every step of the process can be compared to our life and experience's. To say that Christ cannot come again in the flesh is to say that a woman need not give birth to flesh, and it becomes the parallel twin to abortion. All that we do, even while doing what we think is holy are actually the opposite, and then all of the prophecies and warnings come to light when one is humbled.

    No humbleness = no salvation. G-d hates pride because it's the number '1' killer in heaven, a fatal disease.

    G-d bless you Jack, and you too Coraline. Thanks :)
     
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  14. random person

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    Biblical Israel and the secular State of Israel are two entirely different entities. One had an anointed king, anointed priests, and the covenant of the Law and the other doesn't.
     
  15. shturt678s

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    My Lexicons even support your view :thumbsup:

    We'll find out immediately upon passing (ICor.13:10 or so) who was correct. ;)

    Old Jack, trying to find out a little ahead of time. :eek:
     
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  16. n2thelight

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    There are three words translated "generation" in the New Testament. They are [gennema], [genos] and [genea]. And the root of all three refer to family or kin. By extension or by implication it can also mean a period of a family line, or even a Patriarch's offspring. For example, if someone declared that something occurred in the 4th generation, they would be telling us that it happened in the family period of the 4th child born. So it would be illustrating a "particular family relationship" removed by three from the Patriarch reference. Understanding this principle, we can see how God unambiguously uses the word generation in scripture to signify not only the Spiritual family of God, but also the spiritual family of His adversary Satan.

    These are of two contrasting and distinct seeds. Even as God Himself spoke of them in the garden as having enmity. The children of God and children of the Devil are two diverse and distinct generations or families from those two seeds. The family of God extends all the way back to Abel. And likewise, the family of Satan extends all the way back to Cain.

    Clearly, the way God uses the phrase, "the Generation of evil," makes it synonymous with the children (or family) of the Devil. It does not refer only to an immediate present family group. The Generation of evil refers to all the seed of the Serpent, throughout time, who are in that generation by their patriarchal relationship. Just as the children of God refer to the whole family of God, which is "a chosen generation" or family, that has existed throughout time. It's not just people who happen to be living at the time in which the phrase was written. God uses family relationships to illustrate those who are of the same spiritual kinship. e.g.


    The rest can be read from the below

    http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/generation.shtml
     
  17. shturt678s

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    So are you concluding that "this generation" at Matt.24:34 doesn't refer to just that contemporary generation at that time?

    Old Jack,

    Thank you for your work :cool:
     
  18. n2thelight

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    That would be correct.....The generation is the one that witnessed Israel become a nation again...
     
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    Today, those of the preterist persuasion teach that He was referring to the generation then alive. The longest-lived among His disciples was John, who survived until the end of the first century. Under this premise, one could stretch Jesus’ prophetic words to that time.

    So the wars, abomination, famine, earthquakes and great tribulation all took place in that time period. Instead of interpreting His prophecy as a global phenomenon, they make all His prophecies fit into the local setting of first-century Jerusalem.

    It is true that Israel is the centerpiece of the prophecy, but its context must agree with all other New Testament prophecy, the book of Revelation in particular. There, the prophecy is global in scope.
    Nevertheless, His reference to the key prophetic generation of the entire Bible is given in the image of a fig tree. This tree, symbol of national Israel, is depicted “putting forth leaves,” as it would in the spring, when getting ready to bear fruit. The point is, the prophetic tree is growing,notdiminishing.

    So, “this generation,” is the “fig tree” generation, and often goes by that name. A key prophecy given by Jeremiah makes this connection crystal clear:

    “Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
    For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart” (Jeremiah 24:5-7).
    Here, the good figs are the leaders of Israel. Their wholehearted return to the land of Israel is not the near fulfillment witnessed in the Israelite return from Babylonian captivity. It is their final return, when they shall receive a new heart and revival in the Spirit of the Lord.

    Jeremiah says that they will be planted and not pulled down. They were, in fact, pulled down in A.D. 70, and again in A.D. 135, following the revolt led by Simeon Bar Kochba. In the final regathering, they will be permanently replanted. And what do you get when you plant a fig? You get a fig tree!

    This is the generation to which Jesus undoubtedly referred.

    The Parable Of The Fig Tree – Is Ours The Last Generation? | Black Quill and Ink
     
  20. Dave Watchman

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    I think that this is the example:

    "Truly, I say to you, "this generation" will not pass away until all these things take place"
    It's because of all the signs that they're given in Mt24A.

     
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