This election is about jobs.

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Debunked says you - your opinion, which you are entitled to, but none of them are " blatant lies" as you falsely allege.
Incorrect again (as numerous others have noted, including other economists in the field that have been referenced by several---and economists, to note, that don't even agree with all things done by the president). Again, falsehoods are falsehoods (especially as it concerns giving out incomplete facts) and plenty of them have been addressed/called out, from the issue of job creation to the issues of blaming presidents rather than growing up in taking ownership as many other small-business owners and other hard-working Americans have done for some time and did well.

There are no excuses for people who don't know how to handle their finances properly or refuse to be innovative/understand what community is like in surviving in hard times and doing more building than complaining. And those making them help to make mess where there's no need.
 
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Jill Stein would be more effective at promoting job creation. Jobs are good reason to vote for her.

If she could impact the workplace for women, that would be a definate plus. It would be a real benefit to some of the things that the president has already sought to address in the workplace when it comes to pay differences in gender equality..and the same as it concerns single mothers


Green presidential candidate Jill Steinpromises a massive jobs program, meaningful health care reform, action on climate change, withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, an equitable tax system, and a defense of women’s rights. Others feel that a Jill Stein presidency heralds a democracy liberated from corporate domination. Unlike Obama and Romney, it is verifiable that Stein accepts no corporate campaign contributions. There are millions of people who want to see the kind of change Jill Stein represents. ..and I can see why there is no plausible argument against voting for her.
 
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Back on the topic of jobs, what will the October labor report released on the Friday prior to elections show? I'm thinking it will jump back above 8% and will be the final straw for Obama's re-election bid.
 
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Back on the topic of jobs, what will the October labor report released on the Friday prior to elections show? I'm thinking it will jump back above 8% and will be the final straw for Obama's re-election bid.

crossing your fingers and hoping?
 
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What did Bill Clinton have to say about Romney's work at Bain capital?

Why not look to people who make their living in the finance sector for information on Private Equity ?

I also cited Charles H. Smith; Bain wasn't "capitalism". It was wealth extraction - "harvesting" as Romney called it.

What does PE do ?
Lately, Bain founder and GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has found himself in a spirited defense of the private equity industry, doing all he can to spin decades of data which confirm, without failure, that PE Leveraged Buy Outs are nothing but "efficiency maximizing" transactions whose only goal is the "maximization" of EBITDA in the pursuit of dividend recap deals, IPOs or outright sales, while loading up the company with untenable amounts of leverage. All this with a 3-5 year investment horizon, which ignores the long-term viability of a company and seeks to streamline (read fire as many as possible) operations as quickly as possible in the goal of maximizing short-term returns. On Mitt Romney's Defense Of Bain Capital And The Private Equity Industry - Here Are Some Facts | ZeroHedge

PE is not interested in the economic health of the US business sector; that's why its called "vulture capitalism". And it's profits are realized not only by siphoning the wealth of companies, but by exploiting tax loopholes (including loopholes created for use by non-profits). It relies on low capital gains taxes and other select loopholes for up to half of its earnings. What is Romney's position on capital gains taxes, again ?
 
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Why not look to people who make their living in the finance sector for information on Private Equity ?

I also cited Charles H. Smith; Bain wasn't "capitalism". It was wealth extraction - "harvesting" as Romney called it.

What does PE do ?


PE is not interested in the economic health of the US business sector; that's why its called "vulture capitalism". And it's profits are realized not only by siphoning the wealth of companies, but by exploiting tax loopholes (including loopholes created for use by non-profits). It relies on low capital gains taxes and other select loopholes for up to half of its earnings. What is Romney's position on capital gains taxes, again ?

What did Bill Clinton say about Romney's work at Bain Capital?

Romney's position is on Mitt Romney for President | Mitt Romney for President of the United States of America in 2012.
 
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Why not look to people who make their living in the finance sector for information on Private Equity ?

I also cited Charles H. Smith; Bain wasn't "capitalism". It was wealth extraction - "harvesting" as Romney called it.

What does PE do ?


PE is not interested in the economic health of the US business sector; that's why its called "vulture capitalism". And it's profits are realized not only by siphoning the wealth of companies, but by exploiting tax loopholes (including loopholes created for use by non-profits). It relies on low capital gains taxes and other select loopholes for up to half of its earnings. What is Romney's position on capital gains taxes, again ?

Pretty much.




In light of what Bain did, even as it concerns anyone trying to say "Clinto criticized Obama on his comments on Bain!!", it doesn't change the fact that success/prosperity in a company came at a negative expense to others. The reality of vulture capitalism..or, as another noted, casino capitalism where you take the resources of another/throw them on bets---taking/claiming the wins for yourself and giving the losses back to the people you took from.

Anyone who supports that/runs from dealing with it deserves to have a bad economy---and even with what Clinton noted on Bain, it's noteworthy that it didn't keep him from investing in President Obama and endorsing his economic policies above Bain and Romney...all of that happening AFTER he noted what he did on Bain.

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One by one, Bill Clinton stripped away every charge Mitt RomneyMitt Romney and Paul RyanPaul Ryan have made against President Obama...with the power of his speech being in its simplicity. Clinton minced no words debunking Romney's economic plan when saying "The numbers just don't add up," and later explaining how he created a budget surplus as president with a single word: "arithmetic." Be it with Conservatives or Liberals, Clinton is not the first to call out Mitt Romney for offering a budget plan that gives such massive tax cuts for the wealthy. It not only destroys 4.2 million jobs and explodes the deficit, it crushes the middle class, the poor, and every sector of America's consumer-driven economy....and Clinton was spot on when saying "I can describe Mitt Romney’s tax policy promises in two words: mathematically impossible...They want to the same old policies that got us in trouble in the first place.."

As Clinton noted, "They want to cut taxes for high-income Americans, even more than President Bush did. They want to get rid of those pesky financial regulations designed to prevent another crash and prohibit future bailouts. They want to actually increase defense spending over a decade $2 trillion more than the Pentagon has requested without saying what they’ll spend it on. And they want to make enormous cuts in the rest of the budget, especially programs that help the middle class and poor children. As another president once said, there they go again."

If people want to use what Clinton said on Bain earlier as proof that Bain is all good, then they're inconsistent with the rest of what has been noted---and avoiding that is sadly another falsehood amongst many others promoted.
 
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What did Bill Clinton say about Romney's work at Bain Capital?

Romney's position is on Mitt Romney for President | Mitt Romney for President of the United States of America in 2012.

I don't really care what Clinton says about Private Equity.

What does he actually know about the workings of that sector ?

That's why I have cited for you CH Smith and ZeroHedge - investors, insiders, people who make a living from capitalism. Private Equity is not capitalism, it's wealth extraction.
 
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Yes Bain clearly destroyed many companies (NOT):

Bain Capital is an American alternative asset management and financial services company based in Boston, Massachusetts. It specializes in private equity, venture capital, credit and public market investments. Bain invests across a broad range of industry sectors and geographic regions. As of early 2012, the firm managed approximately $66 billion of investor capital across its various investment platforms.

The firm was founded in 1984 by partners from the consulting firm Bain & Company. Since inception it has invested in or acquired hundreds of companies including AMC Entertainment, Aspen Education Group, Brookstone, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel Communications, Domino's Pizza, DoubleClick, Dunkin' Donuts, D&M Holdings, Guitar Center, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA), Sealy, The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys "R" Us, Warner Music Group and The Weather Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital
 
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Yes Bain clearly destroyed many companies (NOT):

Bain Capital is an American alternative asset management and financial services company based in Boston, Massachusetts. It specializes in private equity, venture capital, credit and public market investments. Bain invests across a broad range of industry sectors and geographic regions. As of early 2012, the firm managed approximately $66 billion of investor capital across its various investment platforms.

The firm was founded in 1984 by partners from the consulting firm Bain & Company. Since inception it has invested in or acquired hundreds of companies including AMC Entertainment, Aspen Education Group, Brookstone, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel Communications, Domino's Pizza, DoubleClick, Dunkin' Donuts, D&M Holdings, Guitar Center, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA), Sealy, The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys "R" Us, Warner Music Group and The Weather Channel.

Bain Capital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


which is the very definition of vulture capitalism.
 
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which is the very definition of vulture capitalism.

How many of those companies went bankrupt as a result of Bain involvement? How does that compare to the industry failure rate of similar companines without Bain involvement?
 
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How many of those companies went bankrupt as a result of Bain involvement? How does that compare to the industry failure rate of similar companines without Bain involvement?
I don't really care. It goes very far away from the point.
 
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