This election is about jobs.

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CH Smith and ZeroHedge - investors, insiders, people who make a living from capitalism. Private Equity is not capitalism, it's wealth extraction.

Good resource you noted at Mitt Romney's Defense Of Bain Capital And The Private Equity Industry - Here Are Some Facts | ZeroHedge

Vulture capitalism happens way too much and is sadly allowed in the name of the market when it's far from it....and it's not a small issue seeing what Romney and Bain Capital really did which was to load companies up with debt, take the borrowed money for their own personal benefit, raid pension funds, fire unionized workers and hire nonunionized ones at much reduced pay, sell off profitable parts of companies and then force them into bankruptcy. This is exactly what a vulture does: picks apart a carcass for its own profit. Other conservatives such as Newt Gingrich did a lot of work speaking against Romney on the issue:


 
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the very definition of vulture capitalism.
A lot of what vulture capitalism is based on deals with looking at the successes made in other companies that don't go bankrupt while ignoring those that did....and ignoring where the successes gained in other companies required harming others to do so---much in the same way that drug dealing involves laundering money/resources or having a mom/pops grocery or store and bakery which is legitimate in being a front for an organized crime organization and money given to fund the store is done with the purpose of giving plausible cause for not thinking those funding the store did things wrongly. If the company being funded does bad, it is made to appear as if it fell on its own and no one ever thinks that the money/resources utilized to fund the good ones came at the expense of others who were harmed....or threatened.

As noted best by MICHAEL LUO and JULIE CRESWELL

Cambridge Industries, an automotive plastics supplier whose losses had been building for three consecutive years, finally filed for bankruptcy in May 2000 under a mountain of debt that had ballooned to more than $300 million. Yet Bain Capital, the private equity firm that controlled the Michigan-based company, continued to religiously collect its $950,000-a-year “advisory fee” in quarterly installments, even to the very end, according to court documents.

In all, Bain garnered more than $10 million in fees from Cambridge over five years, including a $2.25 million payment just for buying the company, according to bankruptcy records and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Meanwhile, Bain’s investors saw their $16 million investment in Cambridge wiped out. That Bain was able to reap revenue from Cambridge, even as it foundered, was hardly unusual. The private equity firm, co-founded and run by Mitt Romney, held a majority stake in more than 40 United States-based companies from its inception in 1984 to early 1999, when Mr. Romney left Bain to lead the Salt Lake City Olympics. Of those companies, at least seven eventually filed for bankruptcy while Bain remained involved, or shortly afterward, according to a review by The New York Times. In some instances, hundreds of employees lost their jobs. In most of those cases, however, records and interviews suggest that Bain and its executives still found a way to make money.

In four of the seven Bain-owned companies that went bankrupt, Bain investors also profited, amassing more than $400 million in gains before the companies ran aground, The Times found. All four, however, later became mired in debt incurred, at least in part, to repay Bain investors or to carry out a Bain-led acquisition strategy.

In at least three of the seven bankruptcies, however, companies appear to have been made more vulnerable by debt taken on to return money to Bain and its investors in the form of dividends or share redemptions.

That was arguably the case with GS Industries, a troubled Midwest steel manufacturer that Bain acquired in 1993, investing $8.3 million. The private equity firm took steps to modernize the steelmaker. A year later, the company issued $125 million in debt, some of which was used to pay a $33.9 million dividend to Bain, securities filings show.

The private equity firm plowed an additional $16.2 million into the steelmaker, but when the industry experienced a downturn in the late 1990s, the company could not manage its heavy debt. It filed for bankruptcy in 2001, but Bain’s investors still earned at least $9 million.

Debt from acquisitions, usually part of a “roll-up” strategy of buying competitors, played a role in at least five of the seven bankruptcies The Times examined. In most of these cases, Bain investors garnered some initial gains before the companies faltered.

For example, after Bain acquired Ampad, a paper products company, in 1992, the company grew through a series of acquisitions. Sales jumped, but its debt climbed to nearly $400 million, and it found itself squeezed by “big box” office retailers. It filed for bankruptcy in 2000. Bain and its investors walked away with a profit of more than $100 million on their $5 million investment, on top of at least $17 million in fees for Bain itself, according to securities filings and investor prospectuses.

A similar phenomenon unfolded with DDi, a Bain-owned circuit board maker that expanded aggressively in the late 1990s. Sales soared, but so did its debt. The bursting of the tech bubble forced it to scale back. It filed for bankruptcy in 2003. The gains for Bain’s investors easily exceeded $100 million. Bain also collected more than $10 million in fees
What Romney calls "Free Economy and Free Enterprise," in other words, the ANTICS performed by Bain Capital, are what most Americans call Vulture Capitalism. Everyone in the Business World understands what firms like Bain Capital do. They truly ARE Vultures. They search for greedy or dying businesses. Bain Promises their CEOs relief. The recommendations are:

1. Layoff Workers.

2. Outsource Overseas.

3. If needed, FILE Bankruptcy.

4. IF the company survives, then hire some workers back at minimum wage with NO Benefits. Then, when Wall Street sees improved results, Stock Prices go up, CEOs are rewarded with Big Bonuses and companies like BAIN make a Killing in Profit!
When Mitt Romney Came To Town (Full Version)




Workers lost jobs, companies failed, all while Bain made money....very much like a criminal organization does in funding businesses and then leaving them to fail when it gets too big while getting the profits. More discussedhere/here and more here in Romney's Profit from Bain's Buyouts: Up to $20,000 Per Laid-off , as it concerns companies that did bad....

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I see Romney's view for American workers if he is running on his business smarts. I saw in his plan how he plans on busting up the unions. Get them out of the way so business can undercut and Wal-Mart everybody. Unions benefit everyone when it comes to bargaining for fair wages and benefits.
 
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I see Romney's view for American workers if he is running on his business smarts. I saw in his plan how he plans on busting up the unions. Get them out of the way so business can undercut and Wal-Mart everybody. Unions benefit everyone when it comes to bargaining for fair wages and benefits.

The union I'm a member of is so interested in fair wages, that they are filing a grievance to get people paid for overtime that they didn't work.

:thumbsup::doh:
 
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The union I'm a member of is so interested in fair wages, that they are filing a grievance to get people paid for overtime that they didn't work.

:thumbsup::doh:

Well, that sounds illegal and if what you are saying is true it shouldn't get approved. You shouldn't get paid for hours you didn't work unless you were on call or something. I have a feeling there's more to the story but I'm sure there are some crooked things that go on too.
 
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Let's discuss the jobs record of Obama vs. the plans of Governor Romney.

Here is some data to get us started.

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LOL, with all those charts....what's wrong with just using the BLS et al, ratehr then some conservative public school teacher?

....I mean, wow, you got me dazzled.
 
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LOL, with all those charts....what's wrong with just using the BLS et al, ratehr then some conservative public school teacher?

....I mean, wow, you got me dazzled.

Same data is available from many government sources. All that was done to this was show when Presidents were in office.
 
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I see Romney's view for American workers if he is running on his business smarts. I saw in his plan how he plans on busting up the unions. Get them out of the way so business can undercut and Wal-Mart everybody. Unions benefit everyone when it comes to bargaining for fair wages and benefits.

No, they don't. They do lead to outsourcing.
 
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Same data is available from many government sources. All that was done to this was show when Presidents were in office.
Then why not just present those graphs from there? Why the need for analysis?

Here, this is a better indication of what Obama has done rather then bad economic trend he inherited, which your chart shows.

This one shows the change, once policy was implemented:

latest_numbers_CES0000000001_1981_2012_all_period_M09_net_1mth.gif

Notice the outliner is Bush Jr.
 
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Then why not just present those graphs from there? Why the need for analysis?

Here, this is a better indication of what Obama has done rather then bad economic trend he inherited, which your chart shows.

This one shows the change, once policy was implemented:

latest_numbers_CES0000000001_1981_2012_all_period_M09_net_1mth.gif

Notice the outliner is Bush Jr.

Change in what? 1,000 units of ???
 
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