Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

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Why do you think they are being warned to flee to the Hills?
Hi Carl, I recently noted that Matthew 24 has a message to Jews (who are looking for the messiah, but not Jesus) and a separate message to Christians (who are Jews and gentiles, according to the flesh, who believe in Jesus).

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to Jews by Jesus, on what to do when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place, to avoid being killed and persecution - flee to the mountains.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians on how to recognize the season, i.e. the parable of the fig tree, and how to avoid having to go through the great tribulation like Jews will experience by watching for the rapture.
 
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The whole video says Daniel 9:27 is about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.


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But what I am asking for is a new covenant theology video that explicitly states that there will be no temple built in Jerusalem for the end times events.

I am not asking what the new covenant theology is.
 
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Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to Jews by Jesus, on what to do when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place, to avoid being killed and persecution - flee to the mountains.

Based on John 10:22, the Jews of Jesus day were well aware of Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city, and stopping the sacrifices during 167 BC. The city was also attacked and the sacrifices stopped during 70 AD.
The Jewish Christians did flee before the final siege of 70 AD.

Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel accounts.

Your timing is off by over 1900 years.


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Based on John 10:22, the Jews of Jesus day were well aware of Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city, and stopping the sacrifices during 167 BC

Isnt 167 bc too early for the event to take place in order to fulfill prophecy??
 
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Isnt 167 bc too early for the event to take place in order to fulfill prophecy??

The comment "Let the reader understand" in Matthew 24:15, would make sense to the Jews of Jesus day who knew about the events of 167 BC, because they celebrated Hanukkah every year.
Josephus also confirms that Daniel predicted the events of 167 BC, 408 years before the event.
Jesus was doing something similar in the Olivet Discourse. He was predicting the attack on the city, and the end of animal sacrifices, about 40 years before it happened.


From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.



John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.


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Based on John 10:22, the Jews of Jesus day were well aware of Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city, and stopping the sacrifices during 167 BC. The city was also attacked and the sacrifices stopped during 70 AD.
The Jewish Christians did flee before the final siege of 70 AD.

Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel accounts.

Your timing is off by over 1900 years.


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Antiochus 167 years before Christ.

Jesus gave the words of Matthew 24:15 about fleeing when the AoD is standing in the holy place... which would take place after the gospel of the kingdom has been in all the word.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

So Matthew 24:15-31 is not about Antiochus, 167 years before Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, and instructed us to do the same.

A temple will be built in the near future which the Antichrist will desecrated.

What is new covenant theology preaching if not the gospel of the kingdom? We are still in Matthew 24:14 era.
 
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Jesus gave the words of Matthew 24:15 about fleeing when the AoD was standing in the holy place... which would take place after the gospel of the kingdom has been in all the word.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (NKJV)


Does the verse below include South America, and Alaska?

Luk 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.


Or does it mean the Roman Empire?


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Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (NKJV)


Does the verse below include South America, and Alaska?

Luk 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.


Or does it mean the Roman Empire?


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Does new covenant theology preach the kingdom of God gospel ?

If it does, then that is proof we are in the Matthew 24:14 era.
 
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There is going to be a temple built which the abomination of desolation will take place, stopping the daily sacrifice, Daniel 12:11. And to have the daily sacrifice, there has to be a temple.
Where is daily sacrifie happening now?
 
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Where is daily sacrifie happening now?
The Jews are not presently conducting the daily sacrifice because there is no physical temple.

The 2300 day prophecy in Daniel 8 regarding the stoppage of the daily sacrifice, and transgression of desolation, and then the cleansing of the temple - when put on a timeline chart indicates the daily sacrifice will begin again of day 220 of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9.



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I saw the video.

Liked the part where they quoted Jesus saying "tear down this temple and in three days I will raise it up."

Brings me back to the initial promise of the temple in 2 Sam 7:12-13. Where it says:

When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom.He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

These verses show that Solomon could not be the descendant who was to build the temple because he came into power while David was still alive.

Jesus was that descendant, by His own admission.

Jesus was the promised house/temple. With His death and resurrection there is no need for another temple, including a third temple.
 
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Jesus was the promised house/temple. With His death and resurrection there is no need for another temple, including a third temple.

Okay but the Jews don't follow Jesus so they see a need for a new Temple
 
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when put on a timeline chart indicates the daily sacrifice will begin again of day 220 of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.
Therefore, any chart based on a future 70th week of Daniel is wrong.


Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?
Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27, the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28?



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Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?
Do you see the words "new" covenant in Daniel 9 ?

Do you see that the messiah is the one who would fuifill the Jeremiah 31 new covenant in Daniel 9?

We are to believe what Gabriel said was correctly passed on from Daniel.
 
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Is the idea of a third temple in modern Jerusalem really a way to get money from American Evangelical Christians?


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I watched this video and it's 100% true. I discovered the same thing myself a few years ago through my own Biblical study of the word "temple" in the New Testament, and the Greek words used, and I placed the results up in another Christian forum a few years ago and then again more recently, and produced a video from a slide-presentation which simply states the facts in a clear and concise way so everyone can understand. I'm glad people with a louder voice are finally spreading this truth. It's about time.
OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS: The different Greek words for temple seem significant

As far as being scammed is concerned, if Christians are dumb enough to
(i) Give money to unbelieving Jews to build a temple that does not contain Christ; and
(ii) Give money to Christian Bible prophecy teachers, all of whom either teach their own opinions only, or a mixture of Biblical truth and own opinions,

then they deserve to be scammed.
 
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