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[DaDad]

Mark 4:12 "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, 12 so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

Love your citation, and I really don't have a problem with the SIMPLE or the COMPLEX. Either it's an elephant or it isn't.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[joshua 1 9]

Either it's an elephant or it isn't.

Yes but people are looking at different parts of the elephant. One person looks at the tail, the other looks at the nose and they argue over what they are looking at.

 

[DaDad]

Yes but people are looking at different parts of the elephant. One person looks at the tail, the other looks at the nose and they argue over what they are looking at.

EXACTLY.
I once sat in on an Adult Sunday School class where the teacher explained the "application" of the Matt. 11:12 "kingdom of heaven suffereth violence" passage, where I offered that it's a poor rendition. A better rendition is that the kingdom if heaven is obtained by pursuers, and the pursuers take it by ardent effort.

Well, the teacher admonished me, and said that when I was more mature in the faith that I would understand the TRUE meaning. But after Sunday Service, he came up to me and said that I was CORRECT.

Now that took a MAN to say that, and THAT's who GOD is looking for in HIS Church, -- someone who can receive GOD's message for mankind.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

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Who are the "some". -- Obviously NOT the people standing in his presence. And if not those particular people, then it must just be "some", -- from later generations, because mankind WILL NOT destroy itself before Jesus returns

If you don't mind, please allow a "confirmation" Scripture:

Matt. 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.​

As such, there WILL be "some" who will be standing in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[mkgal1]

We can discuss. For me the objective is to get motivated to do my own research and study and not allow others to do that for me.

Each generation has to discover the Word of God for themselves.

I've not said anything contrary to that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

As such, there WILL be "some" who will be standing in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

If He does not return they will not be standing there long. Rapture means to snatch or to take out of harms way at the last moment.

 

[DaDad]

If He does not return they will not be standing there long. Rapture means to snatch or to take out of harms way at the last moment.

We follow the DEAD. And when do the DEAD Arise?

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired,... 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. ​

So it appears they might have a bit of a wait ...

Thanks,
DaDad

PS GOD takes out the wicked, not the saints. The ONLY exception is at the end of the Millennial Kingdom when those who are alive and remain are taken up to the New Jerusalem.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And when do the DEAD Arise?

I would think at the end of the 1,000 years. We need a new body for the New Earth. Only our Spirit and Soul goes to Heaven, our body stays here on the earth. Even if people are cremated and their ashes are thrown into the ocean or scattered to the wind. God will still bring all of their elements back together again at the resurrection.

 

[DaDad]

I would think at the end of the 1,000 years. We need a new body for the New Earth. Only our Spirit and Soul goes to Heaven, our body stays here on the earth. Even if people are cremated and their ashes are thrown into the ocean or scattered to the wind. God will still bring all of their elements back together again at the resurrection.

Ummmm, we're going to the New Jerusalem. The heavens and earth shall pass away.

Why do you think "Heavens Gate" cult members killed themselves? Was it so that they could "jump" into the tail of Hale/Bopp? Yeah, they were about a thousand years and celestial body off the mark. So now I guess you could call them "Hells Gate".

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[joshua 1 9]

Ummmm, we're going to the New Jerusalem. The heavens and earth shall pass away.

First we rule and reign with Christ here on Earth for 1,000 years. The New Jerusalem is 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. That is the size of the Arab Continental plate. With mineral rights and airspace.

The Arabian Plate is a tectonic plate in the northern and eastern hemispheres. It is one of three continental plates(the African, Arabian, and Indian Plates) that have been moving northward in recent geological history and colliding with the Eurasian Plate.

Zechariah 14:4 "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

The Earthquake that happens when Jesus returns is caused by plate tectonics. This is when His feet actually touch the ground. You can see the temple mount from the mount of olives.

This is different from the prophecy that talks about how we will be caught up to meet Him in the air. Some people refer to this as the second and the third coming. He comes for His church and then He returns with His church.

1 Thes 4:17 "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

 

[DaDad]

The New Jerusalem is 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles.

Actually, 1,500 x 1,500 x 1,500 is a cube. But GOD doesn't make cubes, he makes sphere's. And come to think of it, a sphere can be 1,500 x 1,500, x 1,500.

HUH! This means that there will be a 1,500 mile diameter sphere which will travel through our Solar System which will apparently have the streets of gold etc. aspects, along with Jesus.

Nah, too CRAZY. I like "Heavens Gate" much better.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just what was Jesus talking about in Matthew 16 when He said there were people there that would not taste death "until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom.”

27 aFor the Son of Man is going to come with bhis angels in the glory of his Father, and cthen he will repay each person according to what he has done.

28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not dtaste death euntil they see the Son of Man fcoming in his kingdom.”

Was He talking about 70 ad when the temple was tore down and Jerusalem was scattered to the world?

Yes. He was talking about 70 AD. He is now ruling the earth from Heaven through the believers. He has come into his kingdom.

 

[mkgal1]

As far as I can see, there are two main periods (ages) referred to in the NT....."the present age" and "the age to come".

Only the "present age" had an end (that age was present when the Bible was written). The "age to come" (what I believe is the age AFTER 70 A.D. - our current time) is "everlasting"......so how could there be another covenant to come? What would even be it's purpose (as this is said this about the NC):

Hebrews 9 ~ 11. So Christ has now become the High Priest over all the good things that have come. He has entered that greater, more perfect Tabernacle in heaven, which was not made by human hands and is not part of this created world. 12 With his own blood—not the blood of goats and calves—he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.

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[mkgal1]

I'm more than just a bit surprised that anyone (professing to be a follower of Christ) can deny that the New Covenant has already been ushered in and the OC has disappeared (as it says in Hebrews 8:13).

This is not describing an eternal covenant (what is said to be "obsolete" and "soon disappearing"...."soon" in the days the NT was written which was prior to 70 A.D.):

When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means He has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

Hebrews 12 ~ You have not come to a physical mountain,h to a place of flaming fire, darkness, gloom, and whirlwind, as the Israelites did at Mount Sinai. 19For they heard an awesome trumpet blast and a voice so terrible that they begged God to stop speaking. 20They staggered back under God’s command: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.”i 21Moses himself was so frightened at the sight that he said, “I am terrified and trembling.”j

22No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering. 23You have come to the assembly of God’s firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect. 24You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel.
Since we are receiving a Kingdom that is unshakable, let us be thankful and please God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe. 29For our God is a devouring fire.

Luke 22:20 ~ After supper he took another cup of wine and said, "This cup is the new covenant between God and his people--an agreement confirmed with my blood, which is poured out as a sacrifice for you.

1st Corinthians 11:25 ~ In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant between God and his people--an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.

Romans 11:27 ~ And this is my covenant with them, that I will take away their sins."

2nd Corinthians 3:6 ~ He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

Romans 7:6 ~ But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

Galatians 4:21-28 ~Tell me, you who want to live under the law, do you know what the law actually says? 22 The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. 23 The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.

24 These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. 25 And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the law. 26 But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother. 27 As Isaiah said,

“Rejoice, O childless woman,
you who have never given birth!
Break into a joyful shout,
you who have never been in labor!
For the desolate woman now has more children
than the woman who lives with her husband!”

28 And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac.


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.....I could keep going as the entire plot of the Bible is about how God planned - from before the foundations of the earth - to redeem ALL through the perfect way of His New Covenant.

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[mkgal1]

.....and a few other passages to consider:

Matthew 24 VV. 33-34 ~ “So you also, when you see all these things, know that He is near – at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.”

Matthew 26:64 “Jesus said to him, It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”





Psalm 110 ~
The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
until I humble your enemies,
making them a footstool under your feet.”

2 The Lord will extend your powerful kingdom from Jerusalem;
you will rule over your enemies.
3 When you go to war,
your people will serve you willingly.
You are arrayed in holy garments,
and your strength will be renewed each day like the morning dew.

4 The Lord has taken an oath and will not break his vow:
“You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”

5 The Lord stands at your right hand to protect you.
He will strike down many kings when his anger erupts.
6 He will punish the nations
and fill their lands with corpses;
he will shatter heads over the whole earth.
7 But he himself will be refreshed from brooks along the way.
He will be victorious.
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[mkgal1]

What happened to ancient Jerusalem and the temple (and to the people that heard Jesus's warnings but didn't follow the instructions He gave ) was definitely physical (and, I believe, everlasting).

 

[parousia70]

What happened to ancient Jerusalem and the temple (and to the people that heard Jesus's warnings but didn't follow the instructions He gave ) was definitely physical (and, I believe, everlasting).

Indeed. As stated in Matthew 21:33-45, Jesus, Lord of the Vineyard, came and ground those wicked men to Powder and leased His Vineyard to another Nation.

 

[parousia70]

What happened to ancient Jerusalem and the temple (and to the people that heard Jesus's warnings but didn't follow the instructions He gave ) was definitely physical (and, I believe, everlasting).

Indeed.
The naysayers are going to have to face the biblical reality of AD 70 as stated here:


Matthew 21:40-45
When the Lord therefore of the Vineyard comes, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

This event (The coming of the Lord of the Vineyard) was what the apostles had in mind when they promised their disciples the following:

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Hebrews 10:37
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand...the time is come that judgment must begin

James 5:3, 8-9
[you rich ones]... it is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!...the coming of the Lord is near...behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.

Romans 13:11-12
salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is near.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared--from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us

Revelation 1:1,3
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place...for the time is at hand.

Matthew 23:34-36; 24:34
I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation...So, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place
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It's really quite simple. They expected the coming of the Lord of the Vineyard and the Stone to crush their enemies and give the kingdom to a new nation, the Church (Matt 21:40-45). They were not here speaking of the end of the Cosmos, but the end of the Old Testamental period and the dawn of the New Testamental age of Christ's Church and Kingdom.

 

[parousia70]

Where is the Physical, corroborating evidence of this happening?

Is 52:10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations;

Please give the date and time that God's Physical Arm was seen be every eye of every nation on earth as Isaiah Infallibly says it was.

 

[parousia70]

IOW.....you are framing most of what Jesus had said (and what John wrote in Revelation) as predicting a time when He will return in physical form TO EARTH - even though it's written -and inferred- many times that "His coming" will be in the lifetime of His followers.

Indeed... I'd love to hear his dancing around explanation of Revelation 3:3:

Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. (NKJV, by the way... since the translation authorities are watching)

This was spoken by the Glorified Christ, In heaven, directed at the actual First century Members of the Church of Sardis in Asia Minor...

Here we see He PROMISED first-century peoples that His Thief's Coming would Befall THEM, in their lifetime.

One must fully excise this passage from their Bible if they claim The coming of Christ as a thief did not happen TO THEM back THEN, exactly as Christ Promised it would.

Checkmate.