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Interesting....Would this "life" be life as we define it. If no physical body it would not be able to reproduce and to me it is not life. I've kept my reading of religious works to the bible and koran thought so am limited in knowledge.
The Koran[2.34] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers.(Qu'ran ii. 34)
7.11] And certainly We created you, then We fashioned you, then We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam. So they did obeisance except Iblis; he was not of those who did obeisance.
[7.12] He said: What hindered you so that you did not make obeisance when I commanded you? He said: I am better than he: Thou hast created me of fire, while him Thou didst create of dust.
[7.13] He said: Then get forth from this (state), for it does not befit you to behave proudly therein. Go forth, therefore, surely you are of the abject ones.
[7.14] He said: Respite me until the day when they are raised up.
[7.15] He said: Surely you are of the respited ones.
[7.16] He said: As Thou hast caused me to remain disappointed I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path.
[7.17] Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful.
[7.18] He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.
My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
I and [my] Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David [shall be] as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Interesting....Would this "life" be life as we define it. If no physical body it would not be able to reproduce and to me it is not life. I've kept my reading of religious works to the bible and koran thought so am limited in knowledge.
So for example we must accept that eve was created from a rib of adam. This is rubbish and much written in both the bible and koran is of this vain. The idea behind my writing was to remove the need to interpret the writing as you do with both these religious books and thus take away the possibility that others would take it as literal truth. This has happened with much that has been written in these two books and results in groups of people lost in confusion such as new earth creationists. It was also born from the realisation after study that all the faiths had arisen from an appearance of a messiah (messenger) going back far into human history in many different cultures. There is also the realisation that the continual appearance of these messiahs clashes with the beliefs of faiths. For example christianity declares jesus as "the son of god" and islam that "mohammed is the last messiah". Neither of these can be true if the history of messiahs is taken into account. Controversal as it may be it seems obvious that both jesus and mohammed were just messiahs in a long line of them which will continue for all of human history and these creatures would be present in all species whereever life exists. That is a caring god.
The Koran is all garbage. It preaches a different God and a different "prophet".Yet in all you say the Bible and Koran are taught as truth when in fact most of it is garbage.
The Koran I am afraid is more true to the word of a messiah than the amalgamation of writings that is the bible. It is the story of a messiah that came after the time of Jesus so superceeds and improves on his work. Until individuals can move forward from this denial of the work of other messiahs and filter out the rubbish in the texts and realise they all talk of the same god and that there is two messiahs alive today. One male and one female and the male is attempting to be heard then the world will not be ready for the Judgement of humanity next year.The Koran is all garbage. It preaches a different God and a different "prophet".
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.The Koran I am afraid is more true to the word of a messiah than the amalgamation of writings that is the bible.
It is the story of a messiah that came after the time of Jesus so superceeds and improves on his work
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Until individuals can move forward from this denial of the work of other messiahs and filter out the rubbish in the texts and realise they all talk of the same god and that there is two messiahs alive today.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.One male and one female and the male is attempting to be heard then the world will not be ready for the Judgement of humanity next year.
You make the point so eloquently with your words but deny the reality of messiahs that were born prior to the bible...These I will elaborate on if you wish.
The current messiah has kept a blog to record these events over the last 6 years.
One thing I found out was that when you get hooked up with the power of the Holy Spirit, that He considers His Word above even His name. His standard of faithfulness if His Word. One day, we'll be judged by it.
Believe what you want to, but the Holy Spirit agrees with the Word.
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Mohammed did just the same. He even said no more messiahs would arrive. I don't like the idea of threats that I will be damned either. That really isn't a nice thing to say and very doubtful if Jesus made threats unless he was pressured into answering questions. Messiahs stray from their message when they do that. I came here because their are believers here in god. I also do not believe it is right to pray. God does not make mistakes and one should not ask god to alter his plan or expect god to. I do not deny the work of Jesus although I dispute some of the claimed abilities. I do not deny the work of many others either and would acknowledge the reoccurence of a genetic type that is so in tune with god that can understand what it wishes to say and can use its power. Notice that I refer to god as it and not him. I do not believe god has a sex and that only by referring to earlier teaching did Jesus's teaching become accepted ie Jesus had to say certain things before his message was accepted.
Now if you want to continue with a message that was forced and manipulated by human hands you can. There however is a new message that is free from human corruption. This is the Covenant of ARK and is 8 lines long in English although strangely worded.
.......Grace and Truth
I turned away from the door and retreated fast. There was a beautiful red stone nearby, which I almost lunged at to lay my hands on it. Immediately I was in the Garden of Gethsemane beholding the Lord in prayer. The agony I beheld was even more terrible than the door I had just seen. Shocked, I jerked my hand away from the stone and fell to the floor in exhaustion. I badly wanted to return to the blue or green stones, but I had to regather my energy and sense of direction. The angels were quickly all around me serving me. I was given a drink that began to revive me. Soon I was feeling well enough to stand and begin walking back to the other stones. However, the recurring vision of the Lord praying compelled me to stop.
"What was that back there?" I asked.
"When you touch the stones we are able to see a little of what you see, and feel a little of what you feel," said the angel. "We know that all of these stones are great treasures, and all of the revelations they contain are priceless. We beheld for a moment the agony of the Lord before His crucifixion, and we felt briefly what He felt that terrible night. It is hard for us to understand how are God could ever suffer like that. It makes us appreciate much more what an honor it is to serve you whom He did it for."
"Now I must go back to the red stone. I know now that is the greatest treasure in this room, and I must not leave until I am carrying that treasure in my heart," I said with more resolution in my words than I felt in my heart at that time, but I nevertheless knew that it was true."
The Truth of Grace
The time that I spent at the red stone was the most painful that I have ever experienced. Many times I simply could not take any more but had to withdraw my hand. Several times I went back to the blue or green stones to rejuvenate my soul before I returned. I was extremely hard to return to the red stone each time, but my love and appreciation for the Lord was growing through this more than anything I had ever learned or experienced.
Finally, when the presence of the Father departed from Jesus on the cross, I could not stand it anymore. I quit. I could tell that the angels, who were also experiencing what I was, were in full agreement. The willpower to touch the stone again simply was not in my anymore. I did not even feel like going back to the blue stone. I just laid on the floor weeping over what the Lord had gone through. I also wept because I knew that I had deserted Him just like His disciples. I failed Him when He needed me the most, just like they did.
After what seemed like several days, I opened my eyes. Another eagle was standing beside me. In front of him were three stones, one blue, one green, and one red. "Eat them," he said. When I did, my whole being was renewed, and both a great joy and great soberness flooded my soul.
When I stood up, I caught sight of the same three stones set into the handle of my sword, and then on each of my shoulders. "These are now yours forever," the eagle said. "They cannot be taken from you, and you cannot lose them."
"But I did not finish this last one," I protested.
"Christ alone will ever finish that test," he replied. "You have done well, but you must no on now."
Hi Dennis. I have extreme difficulty with anyone that claims visions. I have had plenty in my lifetime along with dreams. I find that both are open to interpretation and very difficult to define the message from them. I also have difficulty with visions of heaven as my belief about it is somewhat different to other peoples. I also do not believe in hell. I believe that when you die you continue as a thought in the mind of good. Ready for god to call you into being again if needed. Again my beliefs clash with most religious writing. Yet when you examine it then it is not much different. In gods mind is the horror of the feeding frenzy of the shark but also the wag of a dogs tail. I want to be in gods mind in the light side, with the sweet emotions, not in the dark side with the horrors. I think the idea of there being two places, distinct and seperate is blatently false.
Thanks for an interesting quote from a piece by a obviously religious person.
Mohammed did just the same. He even said no more messiahs would arrive. I don't like the idea of threats that I will be damned either. That really isn't a nice thing to say and very doubtful if Jesus made threats unless he was pressured into answering questions. Messiahs stray from their message when they do that. I came here because their are believers here in god. I also do not believe it is right to pray. God does not make mistakes and one should not ask god to alter his plan or expect god to. I do not deny the work of Jesus although I dispute some of the claimed abilities. I do not deny the work of many others either and would acknowledge the reoccurence of a genetic type that is so in tune with god that can understand what it wishes to say and can use its power. Notice that I refer to god as it and not him. I do not believe god has a sex and that only by referring to earlier teaching did Jesus's teaching become accepted ie Jesus had to say certain things before his message was accepted.
Now if you want to continue with a message that was forced and manipulated by human hands you can. There however is a new message that is free from human corruption. This is the Covenant of ARK and is 8 lines long in English although strangely worded.
I like your tree concept but the planting has to be organised. Turning every human into a vegitarian would also be hugely beneficial. Lowering the birth rate also. The problem is a multifaceted one and I do not believe it can be solved easily. Oceanic lifeforms are possibly a way to go as bacterial blooms do oxygen production on a vast scale. I haven't looked at the problems options too deeply but the Covenant of ARK puts humanity on the way to a vegi life. It also gives a basic framework for treating lifeforms. This respect for sentience in it would possibly motivate humans more to find ways to reverse the harm done to Earth and the habitats of lifeforms.
........Is there a way in which growing Canadian support for the Jewish people in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple could be combined with a major peace initiative to the Islamic nations?
Would Prime Minister Stephen Harper who has control of parliament for three more years, perhaps be more interested in the alternative idea of investing in turning deserts green than he has been in some sort of carbon tax or cap and trade system?
I think so:
Proposal for the creation of a Quebec provincial currency unit to save coastal communities from threat of rising ocean levels.
I am advocating investing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in turning deserts green all over the world as a method of combatting climate change. The Islamic nations have so much to gain from this initiative, if it becomes popular, that they would probably be more willing to give something significant to Canada's Jewish community.
I believe that control of the Jerusalem Temple Mount by the newly formed Jerusalem Sanhedrin and the right for Jews to rebuild and use their Third Temple to offer up sacrifices in the exact manner in which Moses/Moshe told them to do is something that a high percentage of Jewish Canadians would deeply appreciate.
I am of the belief that ancient Jewish, Christian and Islamic scriptures have ARTISTIC value that can be translated into both DIPLOMATIC and ECONOMIC VALUE. Wars can be prevented through books and film projects based on sacred scriptures that help us to better understand people raised within a totally different culture than us.
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