The Veil

[Fares]

Hello,

I was really encouraged to share my experience when I read the topic of the thread and the questions that were asked.
As a Muslim proudly veiled girl, I choose to wear the hijab (veil) at the age of 21 (I delayed it till that age until I was ready and convinced to wear it) with my own will and no one forcing me.
Besides that hijab saves my modesty, wearing the hijab led others (especially men) to treat me in an equal way and judge me according to my way of thinking and my opinions not as an object or for my looks, body and beauty. Men judge women usually according to her looks and shapes, covering that except your face and hands forces men to value your personality more than your beauty.
As a Muslim, living in a Muslim Middle Eastern country, I feel so free to do whatever I wish. I choose to wear the hijab while my father was opposing that idea (i.e., wearing the hijab!!!!), iam working in a very reputable company, graduated from a faculty the majority joining it are men , still unmarried ( I decided not to marry except when I meet the appropriate husband).
And by the way, iam not a rare case, the majority of girls in my country are having the same rights.

The member who posted this has 3 posts.
What are the odds that this is a muslim girl ?
0,000000000000000000001%
What are the odds that its a muslim member ?
99,999999999999999999999%.

 

[MercuryAndy]

It is obiouse that is the case fares. Think of it immediatly after reading the name which member springs to mind. It is yason in guise.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

you forgot that muslems are allowed to lie to nonmuslems if it is the interest of islam.

What do you know about Islam, Jocko if your hero is someone like fares then you must be misinformed go and learn the truth then come and discuss.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka James the just

 

[MercuryAndy]

I read it in the quran. I cant remember which verse ill try and find it.

 

[Garnet2727]

Given the hostility displayed by some in this thread I've requested that it be closed.

My apologies to those who tried to engage in civil discourse.

 

[Fares]

Garnet, saying the truth is now been hostile ?
First a piece of cloth gives you honor and now saying the truth is hostile.
Where is this world going ? Sad.
Garnet, I see Islam behind the veil they call "Islam is peace". One day you will see it.

What do you know about Islam, Jocko if your hero is someone like fares then you must be misinformed go and learn the truth then come and discuss.

Why do you throw cheap talk ? Prouve this wrong.

Do you know how muslims call the non-muslim lands ?
Dar Al-Harb. The House of War.
So muslims are actually constantly in war, against who ?
Infidels - All non-muslims.
Now according to Yago

1. If his /her life is in danger where the non muslims want him/her to denounce Islam, or they will kill him/her,he can lie in denouncing Islam with his mouth alone to save his life.
2.When at war you can lie to deceive your enemy , that is a war strategy , mislead them.
3.Aman can lie to his wife in order not to break her heart, if she for examplelikes a dress but he does not really like it but Just make her happy he can lie to her and say yes i like it it is nice.
4.A muslim can lie to reconcile to people, he can tell him that the other was telling good things about him so he can he can harbour good thoughts about him in his heart and then tell the other the same thing so they can reconcile not felling hatred between them.

So muslims have the right to lie to us because we are their ennemies.

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

The problem is in men, not in women.
So the solution would be repairing the men and not hiding the women.


Bottom line :
Woman + veil = Modest.
Woman + veil = Honour.
Woman + no veil = Not Modest = Invitation for rape.
Woman + no veil = No Honour = A harlot.

I am truely sad to see that the honour of a woman relays in a piece of cloth.
I find it frustrating that a materialistic thing gives you honor and respect.

I beleive the solution relays in fixing men and not masking the problem by veiling women.

Fares could you provide the stats on the Muslim men raping women in Sweden.

But I DO agree with you on the need to fix the men. I dont have time to post what I want right now but I'll get back to it at a later time.

 

[Garnet2727]

Fares, the so-called "truth" in your posts is lost to me amidst the name-calling and the mockery. If you cannot understand how such behavior can be construed as hostile, then there is nothing I can do to help you.

 

[MercuryAndy]

I didnt think sweeden had a big muslem population.

 

[Fares]

For non-Muslim women, they are in every respect -- the way they walk, the way they talk, those bedroom eyes we all know so well -- simply asking for it, and Muslim men have every right to do what they wish.

It is not understood that Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as "their women," the women who "belong" to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hands -- by demographic conquest rather than military conquest. It has worked in many parts of Africa; and if Muslims fail to reproduce even faster than they do, there is always the expedient of killing the remaining Infidels.

All over France there are cases of rapes, by MUslim gangs, of French girls. In Australia, in 2000, Bankstown and Greenacre (in Sydney) had a succession of gang-rapes, in which the victims testified to the particularly gruesome details of being assaulted by a dozen or more men at a time, screaming at them for being "Aussies" or "Christians." It made a big splash in Sydney, when the cases came to trial in 2002. Alan Jones, an Australian commentator, noted: "Let's not mince words here -- these are racist attacks against ordinary Australian girls carried out by out of control Muslim Lebanese...." The girls themselves all testified to the fact that the attacks were full of observations about, not race, but religion -- and the confusion of Jones here is understandable. The Western world is still groping to understand something of which it had been so remarkably and indeed, in some ways so fortunately unaware; it is the attitudes engendered toward Infidels -- a Frenchman who is beaten to death for trying to retrieve his daughter's stolen bicycle, a mother and her year-old-child assaulted on an RER train near Louvres, the thousands of assaults which are a modern version of the rape and pillage that Muslim conquerors were permitted whenever they conquered Infidel lands. This is not mere crime, but ideologically-justified crime or rather, in Muslim eyes, attacks on Infidels scarcely qualify as crime.

Have we forgotten the mass rapes, at the hands of Muslims (Turks, Kurds, and in the Syrian Desert, Arabs) of the Armenian women, those helpless "giavours," in the first full-scale massacres in modern times, those of 1894-1895, and then the genocidal campaign that began in 1915 and went on for years? Have we all forgotten what happened to the Assyrian Christian women during the Assyrian massacres of 1933, when -- just a few months after the British left -- Muslim Iraqis had a high old time with their helpless Christian population? What about the rapes of the Christian women, kidnapped in Ramadi, Iraq last year -- never to be returned to their husbands, and now the permanent property of the Muslims who kidnapped them? Shall one recall what happened to the Christian Maronites in Damur, at the hands of the PLO? What about the Copts, in Egypt? Or, during the Algerian War the mass rape of Christian and Jewish women by the FLN (scarcely given enough attention in Alastair Horne's reticent "A Savage War of Peace" but given much more by such writers as Jacques Soustelle, the great ethnographer of Mexican culture, and a perceptive analyst of the Algerian situation and the real nature of Islam -- akin, in his way, to Andre Servier).

The figures on Muslim rape of Western women in Europe are astounding. In Denmark and Norway, between 65% and 70% of all rapes are committed by Muslims, who as yet still less than 5% of the population. One local judge in Norway actually exonerated one rapist by accepting his defense that the victim's dress was taken by him to mean that she was egging him on. Her dress was nothing special to Norwegians, but the judge found it to be unbearably provocative to this poor Muslim immigrant. A curious argument, is it not? Even if she had been dressed a la Gisele Bundchen doing a shoot for Victoria's Secret -- and she of course was not -- rape is not an acceptable response.

The argument now seems to be: Western mores are offensive. Western women are cheap and offensive. We Muslims are here, here to stay, and we have a right to take advantage of this situation. It is our view of the matter that should prevail. Western goods, like the land on which we now live, belong to Allah and to the best of men -- his Believers. Western women, too, essentially belong to us -- our future booty. Western laws may "apply" but not in any sense that really counts or that we reocgnize. We recognize Islamic law, the sharia, and according to that we are simply exhibiting the attiudes toward Infidels that are drummed into us, that are right and according to the laws of Allah. Why should we act differently? Oh, and if we happen to act, as some of the Islamic websites tell us we can act, in accordance with the local laws -- but only insofar as they do not contradict Islam -- that is only because of darura, the doctrine of necessity -- and that necessity, that darura, is of course only temporary.

In other words, when in Rome, if you are Muslim, do any damn thing you please and justify it by saying you didn't realize you were in Rome, or what the Romans did, and anyway, the Romans are Infidels so who cares what they do, or expect. A fascinating attitude. The sooner this is fully grasped by Infidels, the fewer victims, ultimately, there will be.

As I said muslims are constantly at war against the infidels and western women are nothing but war booty for muslims, slaves, or as they call it "what your right hand posses".
So Yago, so who is the liar ? The one who throws cheap talk or the one who brings evidence ?
You wont be misleading anyone about the true face of Islam. Not on my watch.


Garnet I am hostile ? Lol.
Wait till you incounter one of this good muslims.
You are nothing but a war booty for them...
Its written in their Quran.

 

[MercuryAndy]

Stop trying to take over the world. Thats my job.

 

[Fares]

Cant we share ?
Give me all your blessings and I will give you the world. Deal ?

 

[yasser]

Garnet, saying the truth is now been hostile ?
First a piece of cloth gives you honor and now saying the truth is hostile.
Where is this world going ? Sad.
Garnet, I see Islam behind the veil they call "Islam is peace". One day you will see it.


Why do you throw cheap talk ? Prouve this wrong.

Do you know how muslims call the non-muslim lands ?
Dar Al-Harb. The House of War.
So muslims are actually constantly in war, against who ?
Infidels - All non-muslims.
Now according to Yago



So muslims have the right to lie to us because we are their ennemies.

Again you are spreading false thoughts, opinions and lies..Actually, you know how to play the game right,..your intentions and duties are clear to every muslim and non muslim joining this forum..you repeat your false opinions everytime you debate with someone..same words again and again..you are turning your false opinions to facts by repetition..Everyone, whose going to read your posts and for example my rebuttal to your posts, will read the same false opinions..you are playing a very slow game, aiming one day that it will succeed..
..Its amazing that the rate of conversion to islam here in usa after 9/11 is more than before..Do you think we force people to turn to Islam..Do you think islamic countries are the most powerful on the face of earth..do you think we play magic..we invite people and people chose...

I am 100 % sure that you joined these forums and many other forums to do a certain sacred job of spreading hatered and false beliefs..

My honest advise to you, go to the church and do something useful..try to join activities that is helpful to you and the community..clear your heart from inside..No muslim hurt you and no one will..Clear your heart before a days come and you will meet God..Just prepare yourself for that day..its much better than hating people or spreading hatered against them..

At least follow the path of jesus, peace be upon him..I do not think that he hated someone or spread hatered against anyone during his life..

As usual,

61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong.
62:8. Their intention is to extinguish Allah.s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). 63:9. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

 

[Fares]

Wrote a answer to yasser...
Then realized its pointless to talk to this boy,
so I deleted it.

 

[yasser]

Doesn't Mohammed do that 5 times a day ?
La Elaha ela al lah wa mohammed rassol al lah.
No god but God and Mohammed is his prophet.

Of course I am repeating, muslims run away when I trape them, ignore me or call me a hater.

Islam is growing not by converts but by birth rate.


Why bother do that ? The Quran has allready done an outstanding job in this field.


You know, you have just made me lose 2-3 minutes of my life on your post wich contains no arguments. This aint even a refutation, man you are worthless to this forum and its pointless to even try to debate with you. I bring facts and analysis, you bring street cheap talk and conspiracy theories.

You are a disgrace to christians and christianity.. as i told you before , you are here to sell christianity and then go back and get paid at the end of day..

My honest advise to you, go to the church and do something useful..try to join activities that is helpful to you and the community..clear your heart from inside..No muslim hurt you and no one will..Clear your heart before a days come and you will meet God..Just prepare yourself for that day..its much better than hating people or spreading hatered against them..

At least follow the path of jesus, peace be upon him..I do not think that he hated someone or spread hatered against anyone during his life..

As usual,

61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong.
62:8. Their intention is to extinguish Allah.s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). 63:9. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

 

[Fares]

Whatever love.
I will ignore you from now and on until you start bringing arguments and facts.

 

[yasser]

sexual abuse victim..very clear diagnosis..I figured this out the first day i joined the forums..May god have mercy on you..

 

[Clark_98C]

We need to calm down.

None of us are following what the founders of our respective religions would promote.

We must think and act like them. Calling someone worthless or a liar won't help.

God knows I'm as guilty as you two, so I beg you to stop.

 

[Fares]

My bad man, like an idiot I followed him in this childish game.
My apologies.

 

[Clark_98C]

But you are right, one must try not to follow in such hatemongering; but we slip. I know I have, and I will continue to do so in the future. And my faults become apparent.