The Veil

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

So, I would like to know from the Muslims who participate here why modern Muslim women choose the veil.

It really depends on the women and her personal understanding of why she wears it.

This has been a big issue in my family lately because I'm thinking about going back to Islam and once again wearing the Hijab, my family dislikes this. I personally see nothing wrong with a women or girl making the decision on their own to wear the Hijab, as long as it was THEIR decision. Some women wear it feeling they simply have to because they will be criticized for not doing it, I'm sure it probably is oppressive to them. In my personal experiences with Muslim women who decide on their own, it means more to them and it's an honor to wear it.

For me even as a non-Muslim I can and always have understand the importance the Hijab has on a woman or girls spirituality and social interactions.

Spiritually it is a constant reminder of God, just like a cross is to some Christians. It reminds me that my actions are being observed by not only God but fellow humans and that I should be a good example to my fellow humans. Socially, it is also important, when I put on the Hijab, I feel respected and protected. I know that I'm not using my body or hair to gain the attention of other men or women. How many women do you know who would wake up with horrible bed head and go to work or school without doing anything to it?

I feel protected because men are less likely to try to talk to me or flirt with me, even wearing my wedding band I still have been approached by men. When I wear the Hijab it's like a do not flirt with me sign, I LOVE that part.

So far my only gripe with the whole thing is I dont see the point in covering my arms since there is really nothing sexy about an arm. It's like really taboo around here to wear a tee-shirt and Hijab lol.

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

These have to be some of the weakest points to use for trying to promote women covering themselves.

Whoever wrote this must be one of those men who blame women for being raped, which I'm discovering seems to be a common belief amongst men of Middle-Eastern decent, and not just the Muslim ones.

A women can not control if she is raped by what she wears. I have read that the majority of the rapist are usually family members, friends or family associates of the victims. So it really has nothing to do with wearing certain clothes around strange men. It has to do with sick, mentally disturbed men who have a desire to hurt a women in one of the worst possible ways.

The author of this failed to point out culture problems within Muslim communities that affect a women's decision in reporting or not reporting her rape. Yes it does appear statistically that women are raped less in countries were the women are covered up, only because there is less reporting of the rapes that occur.

The reason the numbers in the US seem to be rising is because women are finally able to speak out and not feel ashamed, not really an increase in cases just an increase in reporting.

In Middle-Eastern countries it is less likely that a married rape victim will report her rape because she is more likely to be shunned by her husband and even divorced. I know this is true because I have seen it happen. My own husband and I disargree about this one. He and some men in is family feel it's perfectly fine to divorce a women if she is raped, she is no longer "pure". They could not see that the husband should have been the one to be the biggest supporter of his wife during her recovery, not the one to throw her out like trash.

Unmarried women and girls in these twisted societies will refuse to report their rape because of fear of social rejection, it's her fault because she did something to turn the rapist on sexually, so she is the problem. The victim then becomes the rapist because the girl seduced him. Lots of religious nut jobs in Islam like to teach this one.

 

[MercuryAndy]

i agree with bible.

Hijab cuts off the sences. I personaly dont put up a hood even if it is pouring outside as i can not see behind me. Which freaks me out a bit.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

These have to be some of the weakest points to use for trying to promote women covering themselves.

Whoever wrote this must be one of those men who blame women for being raped, which I'm discovering seems to be a common belief amongst men of Middle-Eastern decent, and not just the Muslim ones.

A women can not control if she is raped by what she wears. I have read that the majority of the rapist are usually family members, friends or family associates of the victims. So it really has nothing to do with wearing certain clothes around strange men. It has to do with sick, mentally disturbed men who have a desire to hurt a women in one of the worst possible ways.

The author of this failed to point out culture problems within Muslim communities that affect a women's decision in reporting or not reporting her rape. Yes it does appear statistically that women are raped less in countries were the women are covered up, only because there is less reporting of the rapes that occur.

The reason the numbers in the US seem to be rising is because women are finally able to speak out and not feel ashamed, not really an increase in cases just an increase in reporting.

In Middle-Eastern countries it is less likely that a married rape victim will report her rape because she is more likely to be shunned by her husband and even divorced. I know this is true because I have seen it happen. My own husband and I disargree about this one. He and some men in is family feel it's perfectly fine to divorce a women if she is raped, she is no longer "pure". They could not see that the husband should have been the one to be the biggest supporter of his wife during her recovery, not the one to throw her out like trash.

Unmarried women and girls in these twisted societies will refuse to report their rape because of fear of social rejection, it's her fault because she did something to turn the rapist on sexually, so she is the problem. The victim then becomes the rapist because the girl seduced him. Lots of religious nut jobs in Islam like to teach this one.

its just funny how when Islamic sharia is mentioned and that if it is applied women will not be raped it seems that some people don't realise that in the Quran the order to lower the Gaze and mind the private parts is refrred to the men first not the women.Quran does not say women lock your selves up in metres of clothing while men do what ever you want.First the order is for the the men.restrain yourselves, don't look, lower your gaze, then also men are advised, those who can afford to get married so anything turns you on go to your wives, she is legal for you.After the order for the men to restrain themselves and lower their gazes is it unfiar to ask the women to do like wise?Lower , your gazes, dress modestly.Cover your selves.Is there a propblem?Does the quran ask the man alone to Lower his gaze and mind his private part and let the woman flaunt around and dress immodestly?Is that fair is that Justice?or Is it fair to ask the woman alone to cover while the man can do whateverf he wants?So for those women who go into a tantrum when muslim scholars say that the woman was dressed immodestly that was why she was raped is because both parties were warned.You lower your gazes and mind your privates and you dress modestly and mind your privates. But the women want to flaunt it and expect just the men to lower their gazes and mind his privates.It takes two to tango.If the woman has been warned dress modestly and you will not tempt men and she decides to dress immodestly then blame the man if he cannot lower his gaze and gets turned on.I think one should be rational before one questions the the sharia.The sharia was never created to oppress any body but to make Justice and a right way. The quran is clear , the laws of Islam are explicit,no ifs buts and may be.The quran tells the women to cover themselves so they should be known and not annoyed.it does not say so that they are oppressed :33:59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, that so they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

it is clear why they are being told to veil themselves as i said men on side are told to lower the gaze so it is only fair that the women covers modestly so she may be recognised as being pious, not a loose woman that men may play around with so they leave her alone.Once the men see that they are covered and not lose women then they will lower their gazes even more.Is that too much to ask, this is in the favour of the woman herself not the man.Do women walking around in bikinis expect men to lower their Gazes is that not a bit unfair.
As the french say : "regardez mais ne touchez pas" Look but don't touch
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka James the just

 

[Fares]

Question:
Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

How can this muslim scholar get to the truth if he starts with the wrong assumption and question ?
Why wrong ? Because only the woman in question can degrade herself.
No one can take your honor away from you but yourself.

The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijaab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijaab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam.

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust.

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

• Babylonian Civilization:
  The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.
• Greek Civilization:
  Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.
• Roman Civilization:
  When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.
• Egyptian Civilization:
  The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.
• Pre-Islamic Arabia:
  Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

Why do we need to do that ?
Its like me criticizing someones education to feel sophisticated.
Why does Islam need to step on something to be superior ?

2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.

A myth.

4.

Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

We dont call it hijab we call it modesty.
What he says is true but the part of the hijab.

5. Hijaab prevents molestation

The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

No, educating the men of the society to respect women is the answer.

6. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.

It would be dishonouring myself if I even try to refute this stupid paragraph.

7. Capital punishment for the rapists

Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

Nicely put and very pursuiding for someone that does not know the sharia. But I do know the sharia...
You need 4 witnesses to prouve it was a rape.
So if a wife can not bring 4 witnesses, she will be charged with adultery.
So in order for your rapist to be charged under the sharia,
please try to get raped in the middle of the street and the middle of the day. Or if you can have some friends arround you when you get raped.
Example: Nazzarin the Iranian girl charged with dead sentence because she killed her rapers.
I guess she was supposed to lie on the ground and have fun.

8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

Concubines ? Lol. Now thats funny. Mohammed had 11 wifes yet he had 30 sex partners, who were the other 19 girls ? Muslims prefer to call them "what your right hand posses", in other words slaves aka sex toys.
Is porn art or culture ? Thats knew.
But the muslim scholar has a point there, the west is immoral.

9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?

Not the underline words.
You can understand that he is saying, if a man rapes, its partialy the fault of the woman because she didn't cover herself. Oh that reminds me of the pakistany gang who raped australian girls. You know what was the reason ? The girls went wearing modest cloths. Tell this muslim scholar to check the rate of rapes in swedeen and to see who are the rapists. The majority are muslims.

10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

The problem is in men, not in women.
So the solution would be repairing the men and not hiding the women.


Bottom line :
Woman + veil = Modest.
Woman + veil = Honour.
Woman + no veil = Not Modest = Invitation for rape.
Woman + no veil = No Honour = A harlot.

I am truely sad to see that the honour of a woman relays in a piece of cloth.
I find it frustrating that a materialistic thing gives you honor and respect.

I beleive the solution relays in fixing men and not masking the problem by veiling women.

 

[bunnysfriend]

6. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.

hahahahahahahaha!!!

and the person who wrote this is meant to be wise!?!?
its probably one of the most ridiculously funny things ive ever read! my favourite part was, "The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts." Yup, thats all us western women wear, mini skirts or shorts!!

 

[warghaha]

Nicely put and very pursuiding for someone that does not know the sharia. But I do know the sharia...
You need 4 witnesses to prouve it was a rape.
So if a wife can not bring 4 witnesses, she will be charged with adultery.
So in order for your rapist to be charged under the sharia,
please try to get raped in the middle of the street and the middle of the day. Or if you can have some friends arround you when you get raped.
Example: Nazzarin the Iranian girl charged with dead sentence because she killed her rapers.
I guess she was supposed to lie on the ground and have fun.

That's funny, Fares. You do know the sharia law but you misunderstand it.

First, rape does not need 4 witnesses. It can be proven based on the sole testimony of the victim, providing that circumstantial evidence supports the allegations.(circumstantial evidence, medical data and expert testimony form the evidence used to prosecute such crimes.)

Second, how can the victim can be charged as adultery when she can't bring 4 witnesses because accusing adultery/fornication to someone is the one that have to bring 4 witnesses. While the victim herself, like you said, can't even bring 4 eyewitness, how can the accuser bring them?

Sura 24:4-5 : And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony – They indeed are evil-doers – Save those who afterward repent and make amends. (For such) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

But I think, a pornstar can easily be accused of adultery/fornication.

Third, for the case of Nazzarin, there's a similar case in the time of Umar:

Concerning a woman who was pursued by a man, and she killed him to protect herself, Ahmad said: ‘If she knew that he wanted [to rape] her, and she killed him to protect herself, then she is not at fault.’ Ahmad mentioned the hadeeth which al-Zuhri reported from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Ubayd ibn ‘Umayr, in which it said that a man had visitors from [the tribe of] Hudhayl, and he wanted [to rape] a woman, so she threw a rock at him and killed him. ‘Umar said, ‘By Allaah, there is no diyah for him ever’ i.e., she did not have to pay the ‘blood money’ for him. If it is permissible to defend one's money, which one can give away, then a woman defending and protecting herself and her honour which cannot be given away, is clearly more permissible than a man defending his money. If this is clear, then she is obliged to defend herself if she can, because letting someone overpower her [rape her] is haraam, and by not defending herself, she lets him overpower her. [al-Mughni, 8/331]

Fourth, do you know, rape in Islam is concidered as oppresion? And Allah said, oppresion is worse than murder.

Fifth, you're funny.

Salaam.

 

[Fares]

That's funny, Fares. You do know the sharia law but you misunderstand it.

No body misunderstands anything.
I still didn't read the rest but I am sure you will lie,
because according to the Quran you have a duty to lie in order to promote Islam.
Its called Al-Taqqiya.

First, rape does not need 4 witnesses. It can be proven based on the sole testimony of the victim, providing that circumstantial evidence supports the allegations.(circumstantial evidence, medical data and expert testimony form the evidence used to prosecute such crimes.)

Sharia at its best in Pakistan, the same the muslim scholar wants to implement in USA.

In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws [these are the laws of what it forbidden and permitted by Allah himself], are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina [unlawful sexual intercourse] under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.​

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003833.php

Didn't I predict you will be lieing ?
No I aint a prophet, I just know how Islam work.

Second, how can the victim can be charged as adultery when she can't bring 4 witnesses because accusing adultery/fornication to someone is the one that have to bring 4 witnesses. While the victim herself, like you said, can't even bring 4 eyewitness, how can the accuser bring them?

Thats the stupidity in the Quran.
You see it yet you beleive in it, you need to be a muslim to do that. Impressive.

Sura 24:4-5 : And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony – They indeed are evil-doers – Save those who afterward repent and make amends. (For such) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Thats only for adultery/fornication.

But I think, a pornstar can easily be accused of adultery/fornication.

Well ya, thats their job. Lol. Plus you got millions of witnesses.

Third, for the case of Nazzarin, there's a similar case in the time of Umar:

Concerning a woman who was pursued by a man, and she killed him to protect herself, Ahmad said: ‘If she knew that he wanted [to rape] her, and she killed him to protect herself, then she is not at fault.’ Ahmad mentioned the hadeeth which al-Zuhri reported from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Ubayd ibn ‘Umayr, in which it said that a man had visitors from [the tribe of] Hudhayl, and he wanted [to rape] a woman, so she threw a rock at him and killed him. ‘Umar said, ‘By Allaah, there is no diyah for him ever’ i.e., she did not have to pay the ‘blood money’ for him. If it is permissible to defend one's money, which one can give away, then a woman defending and protecting herself and her honour which cannot be given away, is clearly more permissible than a man defending his money. If this is clear, then she is obliged to defend herself if she can, because letting someone overpower her [rape her] is haraam, and by not defending herself, she lets him overpower her. [al-Mughni, 8/331]

Mohammed, or as you prefer, Allah, made the rules not Umar.

Fourth, do you know, rape in Islam is concidered as oppresion? And Allah said, oppresion is worse than murder.

Good for you. Tremendous contribution from Allah to humanity here.

Fifth, you're funny.

I will leave my current studies and open a comedian career. Care to be my manager ?

Salaam.

Salam ? Nshala tmot . Lol . Just joking.

 

[MercuryAndy]

How can this muslim scholar get to the truth if he starts with the wrong assumption and question ?
Why wrong ? Because only the woman in question can degrade herself.
No one can take your honor away from you but yourself.

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Why do we need to do that ?
Its like me criticizing someones education to feel sophisticated.
Why does Islam need to step on something to be superior ?


A myth.


We dont call it hijab we call it modesty.
What he says is true but the part of the hijab.


No, educating the men of the society to respect women is the answer.


It would be dishonouring myself if I even try to refute this stupid paragraph.


Nicely put and very pursuiding for someone that does not know the sharia. But I do know the sharia...
You need 4 witnesses to prouve it was a rape.
So if a wife can not bring 4 witnesses, she will be charged with adultery.
So in order for your rapist to be charged under the sharia,
please try to get raped in the middle of the street and the middle of the day. Or if you can have some friends arround you when you get raped.
Example: Nazzarin the Iranian girl charged with dead sentence because she killed her rapers.
I guess she was supposed to lie on the ground and have fun.


Concubines ? Lol. Now thats funny. Mohammed had 11 wifes yet he had 30 sex partners, who were the other 19 girls ? Muslims prefer to call them "what your right hand posses", in other words slaves aka sex toys.
Is porn art or culture ? Thats knew.
But the muslim scholar has a point there, the west is immoral.


Not the underline words.
You can understand that he is saying, if a man rapes, its partialy the fault of the woman because she didn't cover herself. Oh that reminds me of the pakistany gang who raped australian girls. You know what was the reason ? The girls went wearing modest cloths. Tell this muslim scholar to check the rate of rapes in swedeen and to see who are the rapists. The majority are muslims.


The problem is in men, not in women.
So the solution would be repairing the men and not hiding the women.


Bottom line :
Woman + veil = Modest.
Woman + veil = Honour.
Woman + no veil = Not Modest = Invitation for rape.
Woman + no veil = No Honour = A harlot.

I am truely sad to see that the honour of a woman relays in a piece of cloth.
I find it frustrating that a materialistic thing gives you honor and respect.

I beleive the solution relays in fixing men and not masking the problem by veiling women.

Fares is my hero

I find it offencive that muslem women are allowed to wear the hijab where ever they want. But if a man or a non muslem woman wants to wear any kind of hat then they are not allowed. Is this not racism?

 

[LightOfEyes]

The Qur’an says that hijab enables women to be recognized as modest women and this will also protect them from being molested. Suppose there is a hooligan who is waiting to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? a girl wearing hijab, or one wearing a mini skirt or shorts? Hijab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity. ​

Woman’s liberalization mostly disguises exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honor. Non-Muslim societies claim to have uplifted women via allowing them to expose their bodies, but on the contrary, this has actually degraded them to mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of “art” and “culture.”


Muslim women should be well aware of these facts. They should be aware that hijab protects them from evil glances and evil desires of those who are sick in the heart, as described in the Qur’an. Muslim women must adhere to Allah’s rules and not be persuaded or tempted by the media that opposes hijab or belittles its significance, as those who spread these ideas only desire evil for her. The Qur’an warns by saying what means:

{But the wish of those who follow their lusts is that you should deviate away [from the right path], -far, far away}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:27).​

Peace.​

 

[yaqovzadeek]

No body misunderstands anything.
I still didn't read the rest but I am sure you will lie,
because according to the Quran you have a duty to lie in order to promote Islam.
Its called Al-Taqqiya..

Fares bela Hemar your a re a deceiver and a liar and you have lost all credibility in my books.You are a true Christian the like of Pat Roberson and Benny Hinn Liars who say they fiollow Jesus but tell lies about other religions Jesus mnever said tell lies about others.You know very well, becasue we discussed it recently, that a muslim is not allowed to lie but only on certain conditions and to lie to promote Islam is not one of the reasons. You yourself listed the conditions but lying to promote islam was never featured in that list.

A muslim is allowed to lie only for the following reasons.
1. If his /her life is in danger where the non muslims want him/her to denounce Islam, or they will kill him/her,he can lie in denouncing Islam with his mouth alone to save his life.
2.When at war you can lie to deceive your enemy , that is a war strategy , mislead them.
3.Aman can lie to his wife in order not to break her heart, if she for examplelikes a dress but he does not really like it but Just make her happy he can lie to her and say yes i like it it is nice.
4.A muslim can lie to reconcile to people, he can tell him that the other was telling good things about him so he can he can harbour good thoughts about him in his heart and then tell the other the same thing so they can reconcile not felling hatred between them.

Now bela Hemar there is nowhere that it says lie to Promote Islam.All the scholars have made it clear to all their students never lie to promote Islam when you are telling someone about Islam tell the truth always,and if one does not know the answer not to just give any answer but go and research and then speak.
So Bela Hemar, I no longer have any respect for you as from today you are in the same category for me as the Pat Robertsons and Benny Hinns, the Caner brothers and others.Liars and slanderers who revile the true teachings of Jesus.Those who know the truth But conceal it tp put down another religion and promote Lies .I have Just proven how much of a liar you are.
Congrats today you have proven to be a real christian.
There are some people who GOD has opened their hearts to guidance and truth and others who hearts are sealed to the truth.I know where to categorise you.

Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Sharia at its best in Pakistan, the same the muslim scholar wants to implement in USA.

In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws [these are the laws of what it forbidden and permitted by Allah himself], are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina [unlawful sexual intercourse] under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.​

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003833.php

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Pakistan was never an Islamic state that implemted the Sharia so again don't use deception to fool people.It is one of the secular astates using the name of Islam when it pleases them, and rejecting it when it pkeases them. The same Puppets put ito power by you people to destroy Islam. If you want to promote your religion and gain converts tell the truth not lies and deception. This is what all your missionaries and evangelists are doing today to convert muslims to Christianity they use deception and lies. The never tell the truth they twist verse of Quran and hadeeths like you do and use that to convince people.

Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

 

[Exegete12]

Peace be upon you:

I would like to try to explain the purpose of the veil in Islam:

The purpose of the veil is not complex. First, it is ordained by Allah, swt. Second, there is no compulsion in religion, and I am not forced to wear it by anyone. The Hijab is an act of faith, ensures modesty, and is not oppressive. Muslim women who wear the Hijab are proud to wear it.

For those that lack knowledge about Islam think of it in terms of the Nun that wears her habit. I'm sure when you look at her you think she is honouring her faith and worshipping God. You don't look at her as if she is oppressed and pity her. There is no difference here. She is treated with respect just as Muslim women wearing Hijab should be treated, and for the most part, they are.

I hope this will give you a better understanding.

Peace,
Kathaleen

PS: for the youngster that referred to Hajj as the the Hijab. You don't wear Hajj you go to Hajj. It is the Pilgramage to Mecca performed by Muslims.

Salaam Kathaleen. Wecome to the board I see you are a newbie.

May I just add my opinion, what you say is all very 'fine and dandy' if you practice Islam in a Western country. But it is quite the contrary if you practise Islam in an Islamic country. Prove me otherwise.

Anyone who searches the Internet for websites dealing with the issues of human rights violations, slavery, child-labour law infractions, and crimes against women will discover that Islamic nations are cited with a disporportionate number of abuses.

Salaam.

 

[warghaha]

No body misunderstands anything.
I still didn't read the rest but I am sure you will lie,
because according to the Quran you have a duty to lie in order to promote Islam.
Its called Al-Taqqiya.

You still haven't read the rest and you're so sure I'm lieing? Come here. Let me give you a friendly slap to wake you up.

Sharia at its best in Pakistan, the same the muslim scholar wants to implement in USA.

In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws [these are the laws of what it forbidden and permitted by Allah himself], are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina [unlawful sexual intercourse] under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.​

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003833.php

Didn't I predict you will be lieing ?
No I aint a prophet, I just know how Islam work.

Fares, Fares, Fares.
Rape doesn't need 4 witnesses. Rape is treated diffrently from zina/adultery/fornication. It fell into the category of Hiraba. What's Hiraba? Well, you said you're the expert. I don't need to tell what it is, right?

Am I lieing to you? Let me make full use of my username. WARGGHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Thats the stupidity in the Quran.
You see it yet you beleive in it, you need to be a muslim to do that. Impressive.

Thanks for the nice words.

Thats only for adultery/fornication.

Exactly! You're so smart.
But you said, if the rape victim can't bring 4 witnesses, she'll be accused of adultery. How can it be possible? Even she can't bring the witnesses, how can they accuse her committed adultery while the rules to accuse soemone had committed adultery is to bring 4 witnesses against her? Do you see the logic there?

Well ya, thats their job. Lol. Plus you got millions of witnesses.

I hope you're not one of the witnesses.

Mohammed, or as you prefer, Allah, made the rules not Umar.

Ok. So?

Good for you. Tremendous contribution from Allah to humanity here.

You didn't agree with it?

I will leave my current studies and open a comedian career. Care to be my manager ?

Sure. But you'll have to be in the waiting list.

Salam ? Nshala tmot . Lol . Just joking.

Keep practising. You sure have a bright future in comedy show business. Lolol.

Salaam.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Anyone who searches the Internet for websites dealing with the issues of human rights violations, slavery, child-labour law infractions, and crimes against women will discover that Islamic nations are cited with a disporportionate number of abuses.

Salaam.

Salams Lady hannah, sorry to bust you bubble but there is currently no Islamic nation on this planet at the moment. And surfing the internet for Islamic references from non Islamic sources.I think you yourself would agree with me the Internet search engines do not actually belong to muslim sand those promoting and telling truths about Islam now do they.They are many sites masqeurading as islamic to that are not all to do with Islam they are Christians using a common true christian tool to promote other religions.it is called deception.Ask fares he is a master at it.
peace
Yaqwovzadeek
aka James the Just

 

[MercuryAndy]

Fares bela Hemar your a re a deceiver and a liar and you have lost all credibility in my books.You are a true Christian the like of Pat Roberson and Benny Hinn Liars who say they fiollow Jesus but tell lies about other religions Jesus mnever said tell lies about others.You know very well, becasue we discussed it recently, that a muslim is not allowed to lie but only on certain conditions and to lie to promote Islam is not one of the reasons. You yourself listed the conditions but lying to promote islam was never featured in that list.

A muslim is allowed to lie only for the following reasons.
1. If his /her life is in danger where the non muslims want him/her to denounce Islam, or they will kill him/her,he can lie in denouncing Islam with his mouth alone to save his life.
2.When at war you can lie to deceive your enemy , that is a war strategy , mislead them.
3.Aman can lie to his wife in order not to break her heart, if she for examplelikes a dress but he does not really like it but Just make her happy he can lie to her and say yes i like it it is nice.
4.A muslim can lie to reconcile to people, he can tell him that the other was telling good things about him so he can he can harbour good thoughts about him in his heart and then tell the other the same thing so they can reconcile not felling hatred between them.

Now bela Hemar there is nowhere that it says lie to Promote Islam.All the scholars have made it clear to all their students never lie to promote Islam when you are telling someone about Islam tell the truth always,and if one does not know the answer not to just give any answer but go and research and then speak.
So Bela Hemar, I no longer have any respect for you as from today you are in the same category for me as the Pat Robertsons and Benny Hinns, the Caner brothers and others.Liars and slanderers who revile the true teachings of Jesus.Those who know the truth But conceal it tp put down another religion and promote Lies .I have Just proven how much of a liar you are.
Congrats today you have proven to be a real christian.
There are some people who GOD has opened their hearts to guidance and truth and others who hearts are sealed to the truth.I know where to categorise you.

Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

you forgot that muslems are allowed to lie to nonmuslems if it is the interest of islam.

 

[yaso]

Hello,

I was really encouraged to share my experience when I read the topic of the thread and the questions that were asked.
As a Muslim proudly veiled girl, I choose to wear the hijab (veil) at the age of 21 (I delayed it till that age until I was ready and convinced to wear it) with my own will and no one forcing me.
Besides that hijab saves my modesty, wearing the hijab led others (especially men) to treat me in an equal way and judge me according to my way of thinking and my opinions not as an object or for my looks, body and beauty. Men judge women usually according to her looks and shapes, covering that except your face and hands forces men to value your personality more than your beauty.
As a Muslim, living in a Muslim Middle Eastern country, I feel so free to do whatever I wish. I choose to wear the hijab while my father was opposing that idea (i.e., wearing the hijab!!!!), iam working in a very reputable company, graduated from a faculty the majority joining it are men , still unmarried ( I decided not to marry except when I meet the appropriate husband).
And by the way, iam not a rare case, the majority of girls in my country are having the same rights.


Thanx for asking about my religion
salam​

 

[MercuryAndy]

If you were convinced to wear it doesnt it mean it was not your decision?

 

[Garnet2727]

Whew. I'm back. I've had a busy couple of days.

First of all, I'm a bit disappointed that some of this thread has deteriorated into an argument over Sharia law and rape. I suppose that part of that is my fault for starting the thread and then not being able to get back to it for a couple of days. My apologies for that. Please remember that in the OP I asked specifically that this thread would not be about the rightness or wrongess of wearing the veil. I would say that these arguments about Sharia law and rape fall into that category. Please take it outside.

And back to the OP which is the reasons Muslim women wear the veil. Thank you to those who have shared information and understood the intent of the OP.

It is a complex issue that I don't think I will ever fully comprehend. I will say that I've learned this. Overall, I've reallized the extent of my ignorance and how my upbringing and culture caused me to make a completely invalid judgement about a very large group of people. I'm ashamed of myself.

I know that in some cultures, as was demonstrated in Afghanistan, women didn't have a choice and it was often oppresive. I think that is how I came to the impression that the veil is always subjugating women.

I have learned through this thread and the book I was wrong. I've learned that some women want to wear the veil and that many have the choice...and choose it gladly.

It's an eye opener.

 

[Fares]

Pakistan was never an Islamic state that implemted the Sharia so again don't use deception to fool people.It is one of the secular astates using the name of Islam when it pleases them, and rejecting it when it pkeases them. The same Puppets put ito power by you people to destroy Islam. If you want to promote your religion and gain converts tell the truth not lies and deception. This is what all your missionaries and evangelists are doing today to convert muslims to Christianity they use deception and lies. The never tell the truth they twist verse of Quran and hadeeths like you do and use that to convince people.

Lol. I thought this was the jews . Lol. You are ridiculous.

Salams Lady hannah, sorry to bust you bubble but there is currently no Islamic nation on this planet at the moment. And surfing the internet for Islamic references from non Islamic sources.I think you yourself would agree with me the Internet search engines do not actually belong to muslim sand those promoting and telling truths about Islam now do they.They are many sites masqeurading as islamic to that are not all to do with Islam they are Christians using a common true christian tool to promote other religions.it is called deception.Ask fares he is a master at it.

When muslims blow them self up, they are not muslims.
When a country is going wrong because its following the sharia, its not a muslim country.

And what the hell is wrong with you going and creating conspiracy theories about website masked as Islamic websites ? Lol.

Exactly! You're so smart.
But you said, if the rape victim can't bring 4 witnesses, she'll be accused of adultery. How can it be possible? Even she can't bring the witnesses, how can they accuse her committed adultery while the rules to accuse soemone had committed adultery is to bring 4 witnesses against her? Do you see the logic there?

In order for a man to accuse his wife of adultery he need to have 4 witnesses. On this we agree. But for a woman to accuse a man of raping she needs 4 witnesses. Check the Quran you will see it.

I hope you're not one of the witnesses.

. No I aint. And you ?

You didn't agree with it?

Its not about agreeing or not...
Its like saying if you are thursty go drink.


Now to Yago.
Either he is lieing either he really has no logic and understanding of Islam.

A Quiz for muslims .
Do you know how muslims call the non-muslim lands ?
Dar Al-Harb. The House of War.
So muslims are actually constantly in war, against who ?
Infidels - All non-muslims.
Now according to Yago

1. If his /her life is in danger where the non muslims want him/her to denounce Islam, or they will kill him/her,he can lie in denouncing Islam with his mouth alone to save his life.
2.When at war you can lie to deceive your enemy , that is a war strategy , mislead them.
3.Aman can lie to his wife in order not to break her heart, if she for examplelikes a dress but he does not really like it but Just make her happy he can lie to her and say yes i like it it is nice.
4.A muslim can lie to reconcile to people, he can tell him that the other was telling good things about him so he can he can harbour good thoughts about him in his heart and then tell the other the same thing so they can reconcile not felling hatred between them.

So muslims have the right to lie to us because we are their ennemies.
They are at war, what is sad is that most of us just dont know it and dont see it because they hide behind "Islam is peace".

For those that lack knowledge about Islam think of it in terms of the Nun that wears her habit. I'm sure when you look at her you think she is honouring her faith and worshipping God. You don't look at her as if she is oppressed and pity her. There is no difference here. She is treated with respect just as Muslim women wearing Hijab should be treated, and for the most part, they are.

Your comparison is wrong in the first place.
A nun devout her entire existance to God.
A muslimah devout her self only to God ?
Plus no body forces any girl to become a nun, christianity just doesn't do that.
But alot of girls are forced to wear the hijab.

Now to the OP.

When I say forced, I dont mean physical force, but also mental.
When you are lied to or have been puted pressure on by the society you are also forced.
I dont say all muslim girls are forced but the majority is.
Example :
When all your classmates are wearing nikes and you aren't, at some pointed you will be forced to buy one yet no body forced you. Society puts pressure on each and every one of us, and in Islamic countries the pressure is put on girls who dont wear the hijab, so at the end they do wear it.

You are not wrong dear Garnet.
The Majority of girls in islamic countries are forced to wear the hijab.