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The Tribulation.

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by Bluelion, May 8, 2015.

  1. Hammster

    Hammster 2019 Dundie Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15
     
  2. classicalhero

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    But ot's not poetic language. Surely you know the difference between prophetic language and poetic?
     
  3. Hammster

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    Yes. You have to discern whether or not to take them literally.
     
  4. classicalhero

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    But symbols represent something. Using poetic language is totally removed from prophetic language that if you don't understand this basic principal of hermeneutics, then I don't see how there can be a constructive discussion.

    Does this verse mean the same as the Psalm passage, if so then why, if not, then why not. Genesis 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.

    But if you look at the passage frequently quote, you can see classic parallelism of Hebrew poetry that is absent in Revelation. But if the time is not literal then neither can the resurrection be literal either.
     
  5. Bluelion

    Bluelion Peace and Love

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    do you not understand what Jesus was saying? The kingdom of God is Jesus, being with God is Heaven. So while Jesus was with them yes the kingdom was at hand. The kingdom was standing right in front of them. You have to ignore Revelation 20 which says Jesus will come and set up His kingdom for a thousand years.
     
  6. Hammster

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    I don't ignore anything. The thousand years isn't literal. There's not two kingdoms, one when he was here and one later.

    Jesus spent a lot of time explaining what the kingdom us like, not what it will be like. This is important to understand that the Millennium is figurative.
     
  7. Bluelion

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    You know I have asked you a number of times to back what you say up with the Bible. Now I have done that on my part but you have not, you saying no its not right is Not an argument. You must show proof for your case which you have not done so, you must not have any? If your going to argue something fine, if your here to give your opinion which is all you have done, it has been duly noted. No need to keep posting. Saying no your wrong and i disagree, does nothing for any one as far as learning. With all love you are not giving anything to the thread. Please quote scriptures.
     
  8. Hammster

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    I did quite scripture. I can quote more that say the kingdom of God is here. But you've done nothing to address it.

    And everyone is still waiting for you to refund your position in the OP about nuclear war. From scripture.
     
  9. Bluelion

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    still not scripture. Says raining hail fire A term used for nuclear bomb. I am not refunding any thing.
     
  10. classicalhero

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    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
     
  11. Hammster

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    Right. It's not an earthly Kingdom.
     
  12. classicalhero

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    But how can that kingdom then be on earth right now?
     
  13. Hammster

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    Being on earth and being earthly are not the same thing. Just like being in the world and being worldly are not the same thing.
     
  14. Bluelion

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    Still waiting for you to show Bible verse backing up your claim that we are in the thousand years period. oh wait its been more than a thousand years, so how does that fit again. oh wait hearing the word is the kingdom of God, but saved people do not live a thousand years so how does that work again? Bible verse please.
     
  15. Hammster

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    Is there a reason for the rudeness?
     
  16. Hammster

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    Can you show the verse or verses that talk about nuclear war?
     
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  18. Bluelion

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    Last edited: May 20, 2015
  19. Hammster

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    Guess not.
     
  20. geetrue

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    I can't understand this argument ... I am not as smart as ya'll so I had to go do some web surfing to find out what you are talking about.

    Both of you seem a little bit off center ... the tribulations for the world is wide spread, but especially in Israel. If Israel is nuked it would be too hot for habitation for 1,000 years. Yet the 1,000 years reign of Jesus will be in Israel and called Meca by then.

    So I would think sparing Israel from nuclear bombs would be in Gods wisdom, not that He couldn't clean it up of course. So with a little insight I see perhaps chemical and biological weapons and even air burst weapons with no radiation fallout being used against Israel. Many will still die, but the city will be clean enough for Christ to live for 1,000 years along with the first resurrection people and the saints.

    The dome that protects Israel now could be the end of Israel as we know it today. If the enemy (Hamas is the main one now) should fire a rocket that contained the chemical warfare agents that were suppose to be destroyed by Syria then all hell would break lose with thousands contaminated and Israel left with no one to blame, no one to retaliate against if no one took credit that is.

    Bluelion you almost had me fooled, uh? You just made up all of that stuff about the four horses and what they stand for or perhaps you are a prophet?

    Your explanation of who the 144,000 are and where they come from does not match mine.



    I found this:http://www.rapturenotes.com/amillennialism.html

    This shift to what came to be called amillennialism began slowly during the second and third centuries, and then picked up steam until by the middle of the sixth century there were only a few remaining pockets of belief in a literal thousand-year kingdom on earth. Indeed, as Earle E. Cairns, professor emeritus at Wheaton College, points out, "The absence of premillennialism in the Middle Ages is as prominent as the absence of postmillennialism in the ante-Nicene church." (7) The dominance of amillennialism continued up to and beyond the Reformation, and only in the 19th century was the view of a literal thousand-year reign upon the earth revived. Just why did this shift from a literal kingdom of 1000 years to a spiritualized kingdom of unlimited duration occur in the early church?
     
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