The Tribulation.

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For those of you who have spent study in The Revelation of Jesus Christ, you know the earth and mankind will be almost completely destroyed. Most of the destruction is brought about by nuclear war.

The first rider is the White Horse, and The first seal. The first four seals are the four horses of the Apocalypse.

The White Horse is the ant- Christ. He rides a white horse, same as Christ, because he will come to power by people believing he is Christ. Unlike Christ this first rider has a bow, which is a weapon of war. Christ carries the sword of His mouth, which is The Word of God. The first rider also has a victory wreath, because he will conquer. Christ wears the Royal Crown. The first rider of The white horse is anti-Christ, and the white horse at the end is Christ. They both ride a white Horse, because people will believe the anti-Christ is Christ. The anti-Christ goes out to conquer. What follows after Him is the red horse.

The red horse is war. The world will be at war, nuclear war. What Follows next is the black horse, which is famine. He carries scales to way the price of food against gold, which is a reference to the old way of paying for food. There will not be enough food to eat because of radiation of a nuclear war. The ground will be come toxic, so you can not grow anything. What follows him is the asher horse with the pale rider. The pale rider is allowed to kill, and hell follows with him. People die from famine, radiation of war and diseases.

What we see with the four horsemen is a chain reaction from anti-Christ and his war. That is the start. What follows next is volcanoes and earth quakes. The ozone is burned up, the sky becomes polluted from all this, and becomes dark as night with the moon. The tribulation is a direct result of nuclear war. Then they attack the one safe place, Israel. This is when God really starts working. With the seven trumpets you have God pouring out His wrath. The fours Horsemen, however are a result of man's war.

Why does God let such a thing happen? This is what it takes for the last people to come to Christ. God gives people every chance to come to Him, and the best chance to come to Him. You have the two witness preaching during this time. What does the world want? The witnesses dead. The beast kills them and the world cheers. The world at this point has been destroying most the earth, and they still will not repent. God raises them up back to life after 3 and half days. The witness go straight up in the sky to Heaven in front of the whole world, but they still will not repent. AN Angels fly through the sky of the earth preaching The Good News. The Gospel. The world still does not repent. Why does God let it happen because 144,000 will repent. The world destroys itself and what do people do, blame God. Hey you said you did not want God. The only thing stopping mankind from destroying its self right now is God. You remove God you have no protection, and no planet. Think about that next time you ban a Bible from your schools, or a cross from a public place.

The devil has a hand in this. This is what the devil worshipers don't understand. The devil hates you, and he wants to wipe mankind out. he wants an end to humans, so you got no planet all that is left is pain. They are fallen angels and you are humans. See how some of mankind is with race, same way with fallen angels, you will never be one of them. Repent.


I am not making this to long, as I am working on grammar, and it took a really long time to write.
 

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This is all a bunch of malarkey. Dispensationalism is untenable. No seventieth week. No literal 1000 year reign.

Do a study on amillennialism for a better understanding of the end times.
 
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This is all a bunch of malarkey. Dispensationalism is untenable. No seventieth week. No literal 1000 year reign.

Do a study on amillennialism for a better understanding of the end times.

Its not dispensationalism at all. A millennialism is way far out there even by norm, it is Millennialism, you should at least know what your judging.:)


So which part of God's word do you have a problem with, please point out with scripture what is untrue.
 
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Revelation: 20. 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

It would be great to read some diverse commentay on this passage.
 
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Revelation: 20. 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

It would be great to read some diverse commentay on this passage.

Amillennialism 101 (MP3 Series) - Kim Riddlebarger | Monergism
 
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It would be great to read some diverse commentay on this passage.

That can very easily be accomplished, May I suggest the following commentaries on Revelation,

Aune, David E. (Ch. 1-5) - W.B.C. ccxi, 374 pages, 1997*
Aune, David E. (Ch. 6-16) - W.B.C. xlv, 528 pages, 1998*
Aune, David E. (Ch. 17-22) - W.B.C. xlvi, 451pages, 1997*
Beale, G. K. - N.I.G.T.C. lxiv, 1,245 pages, 1999*
Beckwith, Isbon T. xv, 794 pages, 1919*
Blount, Brian K, - N.T.L. xxvi, 462 pages, 2009
Caird, G. B. - H.N.T.C. x, 316 pages, 1966
Charles, R. H. - I.C.C. (2 vols.) cxcii, viii, 870 pages, 1920*
Hort, F. J. A. (Chap. 1-3) xliv, 48 pages, 1908
Lenski, Richard 675 pages, 1943, 1963
Roloff, Jürgen - C.C. 275 pages, 1984, 1987 (German), 1993 (English)
Mauro, Philip 623 pages, 1933
Mounce, Robert H. - N.I.C. 426 pages
Ramsay, William The Letters to the Seven Churches, xix, 446 pages, 1904*
Swete, Henry Barclay ccxix, 338 pages, 1911

*Those commentaries marked with an asterisk are especially important to the study of Revelation. The numbers in Roman numerals indicate the number of pages of introductory material; the numbers in Hindu-Arabic Numerals indicate the number of pages of commentary, indices, etc. The abbreviations indicate that the commentaries are part of a series, and the name of that series. (The commentaries by Hort and by Ramsey do not, of course, comment on chapter 20).
 
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I have no problem with God's word. Why would you say such a thing?

umm why would I say such I think because everything i said is what God said in revelations. So you have a problem with Gods words because these are not my words no?


I am still waiting for you to show with God's word where i was wrong.
 
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Revelation: 20. 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

It would be great to read some diverse commentay on this passage.

Hey brother. Seems pretty clear to me that Christ will return after the tribulation period and set up His kingdom for a thousand years. then they will attack him and satan will thrown to hell the earth and heaven will pass away the unbelievers will be in space on judgement day and thrown into the lake of fire and God will create a new Heaven and earth for us and live with us forever.

but you meant that passage. i do believe that only those who died for Christ will reign with Christ during this time and the church will still be in Heaven. As we are talking about Christ ruling from Israel and simply the whole church would not fit in modern Israel, plus most the earth is destroyed by nuclear war. The church will be there but in Heaven. This commentary is that of Ed Hindson book, revelation unlocking the future.
 
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yeah here is a paragraph of a paper i wrote on the different views.


Amillennialism believes that Christ’s reign started after the resurrection, and it is actually the reign of the church. In other words, the church being established is the thousand year’s reign of Christ, and what we are waiting for is Christ to return, and along with Judgment Day. Some who have this view claim it is supported by 2 Thessalonians 1. They claim that the rapture is actually hearing the word of God and that the word of God being preached openly is the reign of Christ. They state that hearing the word of Christ and being saved is actually being raptured away, but this is all figuratively. I think again you must ignore scripture to make this view work. I find often that people who ignore huge amounts of scriptures do not hold the Bible to be without error. I often find that most believe the Bible to be written by men, and do not understand what inspired by God means. The rapture in the Bible is a bit vague saying two will be in the field and one taken. What is not vague is the thousand year rule of Christ, also the setting up of the kingdom, and Christ ruling with a rod of iron. The rod of iron is the key here as it says that sin will be dealt with swiftly. Evil will not be tolerated, and the devil will be locked in the pit so he cannot tempt the world.
 
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umm why would I say such I think because everything i said is what God said in revelations. So you have a problem with Gods words because these are not my words no?


I am still waiting for you to show with God's word where i was wrong.

Actually, nothing you posted was from God's word with the exception of the fact that there are horses. Your understanding of what they do is your understanding. It's not what is written in scripture.

For instance, where are the volcanoes and earthquakes mentioned?
 
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Hey brother. Seems pretty clear to me that Christ will return after the tribulation period and set up His kingdom for a thousand years. then they will attack him and satan will thrown to hell the earth and heaven will pass away the unbelievers will be in space on judgement day and thrown into the lake of fire and God will create a new Heaven and earth for us and live with us forever.

but you meant that passage. i do believe that only those who died for Christ will reign with Christ during this time and the church will still be in Heaven. As we are talking about Christ ruling from Israel and simply the whole church would not fit in modern Israel, plus most the earth is destroyed by nuclear war. The church will be there but in Heaven. This commentary is that of Ed Hindson book, revelation unlocking the future.

There is no future setting up of the kingdom. It is here.

and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 3:2

Remember, 1000 is rarely ever (if at all) used literally. It's used to denote a large number of something (cattle on a thousand hills, 1000 eyes, etc).
 
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yeah here is a paragraph of a paper i wrote on the different views.


Amillennialism believes that Christ’s reign started after the resurrection, and it is actually the reign of the church. In other words, the church being established is the thousand year’s reign of Christ, and what we are waiting for is Christ to return, and along with Judgment Day. Some who have this view claim it is supported by 2 Thessalonians 1. They claim that the rapture is actually hearing the word of God and that the word of God being preached openly is the reign of Christ. They state that hearing the word of Christ and being saved is actually being raptured away, but this is all figuratively. I think again you must ignore scripture to make this view work. I find often that people who ignore huge amounts of scriptures do not hold the Bible to be without error. I often find that most believe the Bible to be written by men, and do not understand what inspired by God means. The rapture in the Bible is a bit vague saying two will be in the field and one taken. What is not vague is the thousand year rule of Christ, also the setting up of the kingdom, and Christ ruling with a rod of iron. The rod of iron is the key here as it says that sin will be dealt with swiftly. Evil will not be tolerated, and the devil will be locked in the pit so he cannot tempt the world.

What you are saying here is that those who disagree with you must be ignoring scripture, not holding it in high regard. In other words, you must insult them.

You should check out this thread. www.christianforums.com/t7877837/

And you should listen the podcasts I linked to. While you may still disagree with amillennialism, you will not be able to say that those who hold to the view ignore scripture or hold it in low regard.
 
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umm why would I say such I think because everything i said is what God said in revelations. So you have a problem with Gods words because these are not my words no?


I am still waiting for you to show with God's word where i was wrong.
I am a strong believer in premillennialism, as I suspect you are. However, Hammster has a point. In your OP, what you say is almost entirely your *interpretation* of what's said in the Bible -- not what the Bible actually says. For instance you start by saying that, "Most of the destruction is brought about by nuclear war." The Bible doesn't say anything about nukes. You go on to interpret the white horse as the antichrist. This is an interpretation. You talk about the ozone layer, but ozone is not mentioned in the Bible. Etc. Etc.

You can build a case for premillennialism by sticking with the plain reading of Scripture. Adding your interpretation on top of that plain reading weakens your case.

(Btw, the book you're referring to is not plural: it's called Revelation -- no "s".)
 
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Actually, nothing you posted was from God's word with the exception of the fact that there are horses. Your understanding of what they do is your understanding. It's not what is written in scripture.

For instance, where are the volcanoes and earthquakes mentioned?

The mountain of fire being thrown into the sea and blacken out the sun and moon and starts certainly sounds like volcano and yes earthquakes are in there.



Say I am wrong is not an argument you must show proof I am, and sense God's word is the Authority if you could kindly show me with God's word where I am wrong. thanks
 
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There is no future setting up of the kingdom. It is here.

and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 3:2

Remember, 1000 is rarely ever (if at all) used literally. It's used to denote a large number of something (cattle on a thousand hills, 1000 eyes, etc).

not what Revelations 20 says.
 
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I am a strong believer in premillennialism, as I suspect you are. However, Hammster has a point. In your OP, what you say is almost entirely your *interpretation* of what's said in the Bible -- not what the Bible actually says. For instance you start by saying that, "Most of the destruction is brought about by nuclear war." The Bible doesn't say anything about nukes. You go on to interpret the white horse as the antichrist. This is an interpretation. You talk about the ozone layer, but ozone is not mentioned in the Bible. Etc. Etc.

You can build a case for premillennialism by sticking with the plain reading of Scripture. Adding your interpretation on top of that plain reading weakens your case.

(Btw, the book you're referring to is not plural: it's called Revelation -- no "s".)

I see your point and your right However i asked him to show me with the Bible where I was wrong. By the way this is Ed Hindsons interpretation I did not make this up.
 
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Actually, nothing you posted was from God's word with the exception of the fact that there are horses. Your understanding of what they do is your understanding. It's not what is written in scripture.

For instance, where are the volcanoes and earthquakes mentioned?

Ham i am sorry it is an interpretation, but it does not mean that it is not God's word. I suppose you could say all the bible is interpretation as some do, but unless you can show with the Bible where I am wrong you have no argument.
 
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I see your point and your right However i asked him to show me with the Bible where I was wrong. By the way this is Ed Hindsons interpretation I did not make this up.
Doesn't matter to me that it's Ed Hindson's interpretation. If you want an even further out interpretation read Tim LaHaye.

What it comes down to is whether you take the plain reading of Scripture or if you try to assign symbology to what you're reading. I prefer the former; if you do the latter you'll end up with thousands of different interpretations.
 
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