The Tribulation.

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It is sad if you think this world is the kingdom of god
and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15
 
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But ot's not poetic language. Surely you know the difference between prophetic language and poetic?
Yes. You have to discern whether or not to take them literally.
 
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But symbols represent something. Using poetic language is totally removed from prophetic language that if you don't understand this basic principal of hermeneutics, then I don't see how there can be a constructive discussion.

Does this verse mean the same as the Psalm passage, if so then why, if not, then why not. Genesis 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.

But if you look at the passage frequently quote, you can see classic parallelism of Hebrew poetry that is absent in Revelation. But if the time is not literal then neither can the resurrection be literal either.
 
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and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15

do you not understand what Jesus was saying? The kingdom of God is Jesus, being with God is Heaven. So while Jesus was with them yes the kingdom was at hand. The kingdom was standing right in front of them. You have to ignore Revelation 20 which says Jesus will come and set up His kingdom for a thousand years.
 
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do you not understand what Jesus was saying? The kingdom of God is Jesus, being with God is Heaven. So while Jesus was with them yes the kingdom was at hand. The kingdom was standing right in front of them. You have to ignore Revelation 20 which says Jesus will come and set up His kingdom for a thousand years.
I don't ignore anything. The thousand years isn't literal. There's not two kingdoms, one when he was here and one later.

Jesus spent a lot of time explaining what the kingdom us like, not what it will be like. This is important to understand that the Millennium is figurative.
 
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I don't ignore anything. The thousand years isn't literal. There's not two kingdoms, one when he was here and one later.

Jesus spent a lot of time explaining what the kingdom us like, not what it will be like. This is important to understand that the Millennium is figurative.
You know I have asked you a number of times to back what you say up with the Bible. Now I have done that on my part but you have not, you saying no its not right is Not an argument. You must show proof for your case which you have not done so, you must not have any? If your going to argue something fine, if your here to give your opinion which is all you have done, it has been duly noted. No need to keep posting. Saying no your wrong and i disagree, does nothing for any one as far as learning. With all love you are not giving anything to the thread. Please quote scriptures.
 
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You know I have asked you a number of times to back what you say up with the Bible. Now I have done that on my part but you have not, you saying no its not right is Not an argument. You must show proof for your case which you have not done so, you must not have any? If your going to argue something fine, if your here to give your opinion which is all you have done, it has been duly noted. No need to keep posting. Saying no your wrong and i disagree, does nothing for any one as far as learning. With all love you are not giving anything to the thread. Please quote scriptures.
I did quite scripture. I can quote more that say the kingdom of God is here. But you've done nothing to address it.

And everyone is still waiting for you to refund your position in the OP about nuclear war. From scripture.
 
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I did quite scripture. I can quote more that say the kingdom of God is here. But you've done nothing to address it.

And everyone is still waiting for you to refund your position in the OP about nuclear war. From scripture.
still not scripture. Says raining hail fire A term used for nuclear bomb. I am not refunding any thing.
 
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and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
 
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Right. It's not an earthly Kingdom.
 
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Being on earth and being earthly are not the same thing. Just like being in the world and being worldly are not the same thing.
Still waiting for you to show Bible verse backing up your claim that we are in the thousand years period. oh wait its been more than a thousand years, so how does that fit again. oh wait hearing the word is the kingdom of God, but saved people do not live a thousand years so how does that work again? Bible verse please.
 
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Still waiting for you to show Bible verse backing up your claim that we are in the thousand years period. oh wait its been more than a thousand years, so how does that fit again. oh wait hearing the word is the kingdom of God, but saved people do not live a thousand years so how does that work again? Bible verse please.
Is there a reason for the rudeness?
 
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For those of you who have spent study in The Revelation of Jesus Christ, you know the earth and mankind will be almost completely destroyed. Most of the destruction is brought about by nuclear war.

The first rider is the White Horse, and The first seal. The first four seals are the four horses of the Apocalypse.

The White Horse is the ant- Christ. He rides a white horse, same as Christ, because he will come to power by people believing he is Christ. Unlike Christ this first rider has a bow, which is a weapon of war. Christ carries the sword of His mouth, which is The Word of God. The first rider also has a victory wreath, because he will conquer. Christ wears the Royal Crown. The first rider of The white horse is anti-Christ, and the white horse at the end is Christ. They both ride a white Horse, because people will believe the anti-Christ is Christ. The anti-Christ goes out to conquer. What follows after Him is the red horse.

The red horse is war. The world will be at war, nuclear war. What Follows next is the black horse, which is famine. He carries scales to way the price of food against gold, which is a reference to the old way of paying for food. There will not be enough food to eat because of radiation of a nuclear war. The ground will be come toxic, so you can not grow anything. What follows him is the asher horse with the pale rider. The pale rider is allowed to kill, and hell follows with him. People die from famine, radiation of war and diseases.

What we see with the four horsemen is a chain reaction from anti-Christ and his war. That is the start. What follows next is volcanoes and earth quakes. The ozone is burned up, the sky becomes polluted from all this, and becomes dark as night with the moon. The tribulation is a direct result of nuclear war. Then they attack the one safe place, Israel. This is when God really starts working. With the seven trumpets you have God pouring out His wrath. The fours Horsemen, however are a result of man's war.

Why does God let such a thing happen? This is what it takes for the last people to come to Christ. God gives people every chance to come to Him, and the best chance to come to Him. You have the two witness preaching during this time. What does the world want? The witnesses dead. The beast kills them and the world cheers. The world at this point has been destroying most the earth, and they still will not repent. God raises them up back to life after 3 and half days. The witness go straight up in the sky to Heaven in front of the whole world, but they still will not repent. AN Angels fly through the sky of the earth preaching The Good News. The Gospel. The world still does not repent. Why does God let it happen because 144,000 will repent. The world destroys itself and what do people do, blame God. Hey you said you did not want God. The only thing stopping mankind from destroying its self right now is God. You remove God you have no protection, and no planet. Think about that next time you ban a Bible from your schools, or a cross from a public place.

The devil has a hand in this. This is what the devil worshipers don't understand. The devil hates you, and he wants to wipe mankind out. he wants an end to humans, so you got no planet all that is left is pain. They are fallen angels and you are humans. See how some of mankind is with race, same way with fallen angels, you will never be one of them. Repent.


I am not making this to long, as I am working on grammar, and it took a really long time to write.
Can you show the verse or verses that talk about nuclear war?
 
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I can't understand this argument ... I am not as smart as ya'll so I had to go do some web surfing to find out what you are talking about.

Both of you seem a little bit off center ... the tribulations for the world is wide spread, but especially in Israel. If Israel is nuked it would be too hot for habitation for 1,000 years. Yet the 1,000 years reign of Jesus will be in Israel and called Meca by then.

So I would think sparing Israel from nuclear bombs would be in Gods wisdom, not that He couldn't clean it up of course. So with a little insight I see perhaps chemical and biological weapons and even air burst weapons with no radiation fallout being used against Israel. Many will still die, but the city will be clean enough for Christ to live for 1,000 years along with the first resurrection people and the saints.

The dome that protects Israel now could be the end of Israel as we know it today. If the enemy (Hamas is the main one now) should fire a rocket that contained the chemical warfare agents that were suppose to be destroyed by Syria then all hell would break lose with thousands contaminated and Israel left with no one to blame, no one to retaliate against if no one took credit that is.

Bluelion you almost had me fooled, uh? You just made up all of that stuff about the four horses and what they stand for or perhaps you are a prophet?

Your explanation of who the 144,000 are and where they come from does not match mine.



I found this:http://www.rapturenotes.com/amillennialism.html

This shift to what came to be called amillennialism began slowly during the second and third centuries, and then picked up steam until by the middle of the sixth century there were only a few remaining pockets of belief in a literal thousand-year kingdom on earth. Indeed, as Earle E. Cairns, professor emeritus at Wheaton College, points out, "The absence of premillennialism in the Middle Ages is as prominent as the absence of postmillennialism in the ante-Nicene church." (7) The dominance of amillennialism continued up to and beyond the Reformation, and only in the 19th century was the view of a literal thousand-year reign upon the earth revived. Just why did this shift from a literal kingdom of 1000 years to a spiritualized kingdom of unlimited duration occur in the early church?
 
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