The Torah is still valid..

[justbyfaith]

John never said that. John said that THEY said it...

Not quite. Read the verse. I quoted it in post #225.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did He therefore sin? Scripture (2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:22, and 1 John 3:5) would tell us otherwise. Hebrews 7:12 has the answer. Jesus being High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec, was not subject to the law as it was given under the Levitical priesthood. His ministry was according to the power of an endless life; and was not based on the letter of the law but the spirit of it (Romans 7:6).

Yet in the flesh He was of the tribe of Judah...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Not quite. Read the verse. I quoted it in post #225.

That is implied because of the preceeding verses as well as others. Here is another similar verse:

Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

You say He broke the Sabbath by healing, yet the Pharisees plot murder? Who here broke the Commandments?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Not quite. Read the verse. I quoted it in post #225.

What do you think John 5:29 means?

 

[justbyfaith]

This does not relieve the other, not yet,
but now that you have admitted the lie you kept posting was learned from or because of a cult or cult logic ,
are you ready to renounce it finally ?

Since what I believe is not in accordance with cult doctrine but in order to reject the doctrine of a cult, why would I renounce it? In order to accept the doctrines of that cult?

Yet in the flesh He was of the tribe of Judah...

Yes. High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec, not Levi. Is there a point you are trying to make?

What do you think John 5:29 means?

I'm not sure why you ask this question, unless it has to do with the former part of our conversation.

I'll tell you what I think it means. Those who have done evil will be resurrected unto damnation. But all of us have done evil (Romans 3:23). So all will be resurrected to damnation.

However, Jesus died for us and when we put our trust in Him and what He did for us on the Cross, all our sins are washed away, blotted out, taken off our record. And also, the Holy Spirit can justly come to dwell within us because we are forgiven; and the love of God enters our hearts (Romans 5:5) and we do good as a result (1 John 3:18). Without the blood of Jesus and Holy Spirit, the good we do is filthy rags and is counted as evil (Isaiah 57:12, Isaiah 64:6).

So then, we will be resurrected unto life if our evil deeds aren't held against us through the blood of the Cross and if the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5) so that our behaviour changes as the result (1 John 3:18).

 

[justbyfaith]

Again you pull out of context.

No Scripture from Yahweh can contradict any other Scripture.

Yahshua could not break TORAH and be our (anyone's ) Savior.

English is NOT your friend in trying to understand this - nor were the jws you said brought this to your attention in a perverted way (perverting Scripture) ....

I do not see any contradiction between scripture in what I have set forth.

God is both Omnipotent and loving and Sovereign, He is not going to hide the truth from the common people by hiding it in another language. The common people heard Jesus gladly, it was the educated scribes and Pharisees who rejected Him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[justbyfaith]

That is implied because of the preceeding verses as well as others. Here is another similar verse:

Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

You say He broke the Sabbath by healing, yet the Pharisees plot murder? Who here broke the Commandments?

In the context of John 5:18, Jesus tells the lame man to take up his bed and walk on the sabbath. He effectively told another person to violate the sabbath; and therefore in His teaching and in His directing of others actions, He violated the sabbath. There is no getting around that. In the Old Testament, a man was put to death for less work than what Jesus told the lame man to do (picking up sticks).

 

[justbyfaith]

Didn't you say (or mean) you "learned" because of the jws ?

Your error(s) have been posted , perhaps it will take time to register with you.

It will perhaps take time for you to connect the dots and see how I have not made scripture contradict itself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[justbyfaith]

You cannot make Scripture contradict itself.

Thus, you cannot twist Scripture somewhere, somehow, anyway, to say Jesus broke the law.

This would contradict Jesus being perfect , a perfect sacrifice for man's sins.

If what you twisted Scripture to say (as if possible) was true,
then
Jesus could not be your Savior even if He wanted to be.

Thus, your understanding/ interpretation of Scripture trying to say Jesus disobeyed Yahweh / broke TORAH/
is not in harmony with Yahweh's Way, Plan or Purpose in Jesus,
and
your now oft repeated error falls down upon simple pure testing.
(same as it always did - but we didn't know you 'learned' from pagan jws, nor do we know why you still fight to prove Jesus could not be your Savior, nor anyone's Savior ,
if your error was true. )

Jesus was the perfect Son of God, and He was High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec, not Levi. Where there is a change of priesthood there is of necessity a change of law. Jesus was High Priest according to an order that is after the power of an endless life. In the Melchizedec priesthood, perfection is not according to the letter, but according to the spirit. Jesus is love incarnate, He did not have to obey the letter perfectly to be the perfect sacrifice for our sins. His very nature and character was perfect; He was and is perfect love in who He is. Therefore in those catch-22 situations where you have to break one law or the other, He always obeyed the higher law and thus was impeccable according to the law. He may have violated the sabbath in context of John 5:18, but He was perfect even in that, according to the law of love; because the lame man needed to be told to take up his mat and walk in order for his faith to operate properly so he could be healed. And therefore in violating the sabbath Jesus was still operating according to the higher law of love; and thus He did not sin, though technically He did violate the letter of the law.

Capiche?

 

[justbyfaith]

You said:

Didn't you say (or mean) you "learned" because of the jws ?

I had said previous to that:

Since what I believe is not in accordance with cult doctrine but in order to reject the doctrine of a cult, why would I renounce it? In order to accept the doctrines of that cult?

 

[justbyfaith]

You cannot make Scripture contradict itself.

Of course I can't; and neither have I done so.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[justbyfaith]

Trying to surround the lie with ... whatever, will not hide the lie nor make it truth.

Reading / interpreting in error, violating Scripture by contradicting other Scripture ,
is wrong to do, for anyone - whoever taught you (didn't you ADMIT they were pagans?!) hint: do not believe pagans ! (false teachers either) ....

Instead, enjoy the perfect harmony of all Scripture with all Scripture , as Yahweh says.

Stop trying to 'push' an error as if it is a pet project, already proven impossible to be true.

Of course there is perfect harmony of the scriptures in what I believe and have set forth. I have not violated scripture by contradicting other scripture.

No one should try to renounce nor prove a cult wrong
with a lie about Scripture (maybe because the focus was not on the truth, not to learn from Jesus, is why the error gained such a strong foothold in your mind ? )
. See how that led to more error in your posts !? (for how long? ever since you first thought of it or accepted it) ....

Instead, agree with the truth of all Scripture in harmony with God's Plan and Purpose.

How do you win the members of a cult to Jesus if you don't refute their doctrine? Jesus died for them as much as anyone else; and He loves them; and wants them saved.

Repeatedly the error you posted has been revealed, as it is opposed to Scripture.

That is merely your opinion. I have shown how there is a harmony of the scriptures in what I believe and have set forth. I guess it is up to you to try to discover it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

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