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We are saved by grace after all that we can do. Dead faith will not save, only faith through works saves. Will people who love sin more than they love Jesus be saved? Sin is death:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:17 - 19)
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
Curious, do Mormons ever bother with biblical exegesis? Because it would seem that with the amount of effort put into institutionalized missionary and apologetic efforts that something like basic exegesis would at some point be employed.
Here's 1 Peter 4:17
ὅτι ὁ καιρὸς τοῦ ἄρξασθαι τὸ κρίμα ἀπὸ τοῦ οἴκου τοῦ θεοῦ εἰ δὲ πρῶτον ἀφ᾽ ἡμῶν τί τὸ τέλος τῶν ἀπειθούντων τῷ τοῦ θεοῦ εὐαγγελίῳ
The key word we are going to look at is ἀπειθούντων, which the KJV renders as "be of them that obey not". This is the present participle active form of the verb ἀπειθέω (apeitheo). We actually get our English word "apathy" from this Greek word. To say that it means "disobey" isn't quite right, because πείθω means "persuade", that is, to convince by argument. Thus ἀπειθέω is best understood as "to be unpersuaded", "unconvinced". Thus St. Peter here refers to those who refuse the Gospel, those who reject it, who are unpersuaded by it.
Further, the entire context here is judgment. Thus should judgment come first upon God's house, and if those who face the trials which are in store should be shaken, (these are the "righteous" mentioned), then it shall be even more for the ungodly. If judgment comes, and even God's house shall be shaken, then those outside of the house shall face the tremors of judgment all the more. Thus, following Peter's entire contextual point, that those who suffer (as as Christian, verse 16) remain firm in their devotion to God.
This is a fundamental and common problem virtually every time you attempt to quote the Bible. You don't bother to actually read what the text is saying; instead you find something that looks good, you quote it.
But, you also don't seem to ever learn. You will inevitably ignore everything said here, will find another prooftext you mistakenly think supports your position, and then eventually start all over again. It's been your modus operandi pretty much in every discussion I've had with you. You seem to be using a scripted set of plays, not anything resembling as a critical engagement in actual point/counter-point discussion.
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