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Mormonism is severely flawed, so much so that it ends tragically in being cursed by God.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
God revealed just the opposite:

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
(Hebrews 10:14)

“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
(Romans 6:23)

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us.” (Galatians 3:13)

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)​
Again, you have quoted all that Jesus did, but nothing about what you have to do. You act as if when one believes, they can that minute go to a couch and lay down and go to sleep until they die, and when they awake, they will be given eternal life.
OR
The second a person say "I believe" they are saved no matter if they murder 10 people and rape 10 others. Then when they die, Jesus will say, "I know you said you believe in me and I believe you, come into my kingdom, you good and faithful servant"?

Do you think either scenario comes anywhere close to the real gospel of Jesus Christ?

How is it so outrageous to you to say believe, and have faith, and come follow Jesus and do the things that Jesus did? How malicious is that?
 
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Again, you have quoted all that Jesus did, but nothing about what you have to do. You act as if when one believes, they can that minute go to a couch and lay down and go to sleep until they die, and when they awake, they will be given eternal life.
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The second a person say "I believe" they are saved no matter if they murder 10 people and rape 10 others. Then when they die, Jesus will say, "I know you said you believe in me and I believe you, come into my kingdom, you good and faithful servant"?

Do you think either scenario comes anywhere close to the real gospel of Jesus Christ?
The Bible clearly and consistently teaches that there is only one way for people to be acceptable to God and be welcomed by him into heaven. That is by relying totally upon Christ’s work for them (Isaiah 53:5). Salvation is all about what Jesus has done for us. It has nothing whatsoever to do with works. (Ephesians 2:8-9)


How is it so outrageous to you to say believe, and have faith, and come follow Jesus and do the things that Jesus did? How malicious is that?
Mormonism isn’t a saving belief plain and simple.

This emphasis on a person’s work so that they can qualify to live with God for all eternity is enough to conclude that of Mormonism

Being right with God rests entirely on what Jesus did for us. So much so, that any addition of man’s work in the mix ruins everything. (Romans 11:6)
 
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The Bible clearly and consistently teaches that there is only one way for people to be acceptable to God and be welcomed by him into heaven. That is by relying totally upon Christ’s work for them (Isaiah 53:5). Salvation is all about what Jesus has done for us. It has nothing whatsoever to do with works. (Ephesians 2:8-9)



Mormonism isn’t a saving belief plain and simple.

This emphasis on a person’s work so that they can qualify to live with God for all eternity is enough to conclude that of Mormonism

Being right with God rests entirely on what Jesus did for us. So much so, that any addition of man’s work in the mix ruins everything. (Romans 11:6)
Salvation is not by works nor is it without works. Jesus Christ made that very clear.
 
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Salvation is not by works nor is it without works. Jesus Christ made that very clear.
Historic Biblical Christianity has always taught that works done by the believer are the result of being saved … not as one of the causes of salvation as Mormonism teaches.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Romans 4:5-6)

There is a tremendous difference between cause and result. The difference to include works as Mormonism does will result in a tragic ending to be cursed to outer darkness. Jesus made that very clear.

 
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Historic Biblical Christianity has always taught that works done by the believer are the result of being saved … not as one of the causes of salvation as Mormonism teaches.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Romans 4:5-6)

There is a tremendous difference between cause and result. The difference to include works as Mormonism does will result in a tragic ending to be cursed to outer darkness. Jesus made that very clear.

You said: T"he difference to include works as Mormonism does will result in a tragic ending to be cursed to outer darkness. Jesus made that very clear."

Really, where did He make that clear? I think you made that up. He did make it clear that once a person knows the right way they should no longer sin:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:18 - 22)

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
 
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You said: T"he difference to include works as Mormonism does will result in a tragic ending to be cursed to outer darkness. Jesus made that very clear."

Really, where did He make that clear? I think you made that up. …..
No I didn't. You fail to understand correctly the context of Matthew 22, The Parable of the Wedding Banquet.
Jesus spoke this parable against the Pharisees … similarly known like Mormonism for their redundant repetition of keeping the commandments and self-righteousness works as a criteria for life with Heavenly Father.

This was the Pharisee's fate according to Jesus:
" Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

And you'd think that would waken them up to that … instead their response was:
"Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk."
 
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No I didn't. You fail to understand correctly the context of Matthew 22, The Parable of the Wedding Banquet.
Jesus spoke this parable against the Pharisees … similarly known like Mormonism for their redundant repetition of keeping the commandments and self-righteousness works as a criteria for life with Heavenly Father.

This was the Pharisee's fate according to Jesus:
" Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

And you'd think that would waken them up to that … instead their response was:
"Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk."
The Pharisees did not keep the commandments of LOVE. They did not know LOVE. Jesus showed them that they were self centered without real LOVE and made up their own rules. They were not humble either.
 
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So Jesus does everything, and we just sit there on the couch and enjoy the ride into heaven. What a deal. No wonder you thank Jesus so profusely.

Nope. Jesus did everything, and so now we go and love our neighbor as He told us to.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The Pharisees did not keep the commandments of LOVE. They did not know LOVE. Jesus showed them that they were self centered without real LOVE and made up their own rules. They were not humble either.
That is not the case at all.

The man in the parable represents the Pharisaical mindset of anyone who trusts in keeping the commandments and\or self-righteousness works as a criteria for eternal life with Heavenly Father.

What Jesus showed them would be no different today where he to confront Mormonism and it's creed of made up own rules of Temple Recommends.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
” (Romans 4:5-6)​
 
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That is not the case at all.

The man in the parable represents the Pharisaical mindset of anyone who trusts in keeping the commandments and\or self-righteousness works as a criteria for eternal life with Heavenly Father.

What Jesus showed them would be no different today where he to confront Mormonism and it's creed of made up own rules of Temple Recommends.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
” (Romans 4:5-6)​
Jesus said that eternal life came to those who kept the commandments:

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus did not lie. The Pharisees did not LOVE their neighbor as themselves. I hope you do.
 
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Jesus said that eternal life came to those who kept the commandments:

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus did not lie. The Pharisees did not LOVE their neighbor as themselves. I hope you do.
Of course Jesus did not lie … he said it in context of excluding himself which places everything the law demands on your shoulders.

The end result, for anyone, will be that of the man in the parable for bringing in with them their filthy unrighteousness rags and failures to be obedient perfectly to the law.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Romans 4:5-6)​
 
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I am glad that you are keeping the commandments.
Your attempt at lds "Christian-ese" deception is noted. To the lds, "keeping the commandments" is more than just loving God and loving your neighbor. Are you forgetting your 13th Article of Faith?
 
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Of course Jesus did not lie … he said it in context of excluding himself which places everything the law demands on your shoulders.

The end result, for anyone, will be that of the man in the parable for bringing in with them their filthy unrighteousness rags and failures to be obedient perfectly to the law.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Romans 4:5-6)​
And a little further down in chapter 6 Paul wrote this:

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 16)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
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Your attempt at lds "Christian-ese" deception is noted. To the lds, "keeping the commandments" is more than just loving God and loving your neighbor. Are you forgetting your 13th Article of Faith?
All of the commandments are based on these two commandments:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Everything that is good is from God including being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men.
 
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That is not the case at all.

The man in the parable represents the Pharisaical mindset of anyone who trusts in keeping the commandments and\or self-righteousness works as a criteria for eternal life with Heavenly Father.

What Jesus showed them would be no different today where he to confront Mormonism and it's creed of made up own rules of Temple Recommends.

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
” (Romans 4:5-6)​
When Paul was talking about not working or without works, he was talking about keeping the law of Moses, which by the time of Jesus was a mountain of works, that they believed would save them. Paul tells them it is a mountain of worthless works that will save nobody.

Paul, also tells them that it is by the grace of Jesus that a person is saved, not by worthless works.
But then he confuses everyone by stating that you must be rich in good works:
1 Timothy 6:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Notice that "good works" helps us lay hold on eternal life. But how can that be, when Paul has said it is "not of works", but of "grace".
It is because he was talking about the works of the law of Moses, which cannot save. Not the works of the spirit, once we have become a new person in Jesus, and we are now under the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:2).

So always remember the difference between the 'works' of the Law of Moses and the 'works' of the Law of Christ.

It is by grace that we are saved, after all that we can do. A perfect formula that reconciles all scriptures in the bible having to do with being saved.
 
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All of the commandments are based on these two commandments:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Everything that is good is from God including being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men.
You were and are being dishonest, which your AoF says is a no no. The lds version of keep the commandments is much more than love God, love your neighbor. Those additions are not based on any prophets or law from the Bible, but from your own false prophets.
 
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Excellent, that is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Believe in Jesus, and then go out and follow him and do the things that he did.

The Gospel is what Jesus did.
The Law is to follow Him and do as He commanded.

The Gospel is not the Law, the Law is not the Gospel.

The Law has no power to save, only the Gospel--what God has done for us in Jesus Christ--saves.

We don't follow and obey Christ to earn reward, but to be faithful servants.


-CryptoLutheran
 
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This might be a difficult idea to understand when one has been told that they need to earn their place with God through their own power and merit through a system of rewards and punishments. But the simple fact is that God already accepts us, loves us, and has good will toward us, and has already given us all good things. Our response of love through obedience is not borne out of self-promotion and fear, but out of gratitude and a life of repentance. Lived outwardly for the sake of others.

There's no brownie points to be won. No score card being punched. There's no rungs on a ladder. Love others because you love them. And when we struggle, we come to the God of all mercy, that we might continue to learn how to die. That our pride, our flesh, our selfishness might be crucified, buried, dead. Looking forward and onward, toward Jesus Christ. Not to self-promotion and tiers of glory; but to Christ.

"Therefore man knows that works which he does by such faith are not his but God's. For this reason he does not seek to become justified or glorified through them, but seeks God. His justification by faith in Christ is sufficient to him. Christ is his wisdom, righteousness, etc., as 1 Cor 1:30 has it, that he himself may be Christ's vessel and instrument (operatio seu instrumentum)." Martin Luther, Heidelberg Disputation, 25

-CryptoLutheran
 
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