The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

[listed]

true - if you don't sin you are not under the condemnation of the law.

If you don't break the speed limit you are not under condemnation of a traffic ticket.

But the law still exists.

The self-conflicted statement "I obey the speed limit so there is no speed limit" is a fallacy.

But you're still obligated to the law which controls your life. This doesn't mean the law controls the life of the Christian. The Holy Spirit does when we follow Him, Galatians 5:18.

 

[listed]

if you don't sin you are not under the condemnation of the law.

That isn't the same as being regulated by the law. If the law condemns you, you are following the law. Conviction of sin for the Christian is administered by the Holy Spirit and not the written code. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead a person to the covenant law issued to Israel. That covenant is a has been according to the Gospel of Luke in 16.

If you don't break the speed limit you are not under condemnation of a traffic ticket.

Doesn't change being regulated by the speed limit law.

But the law still exists.

Yes it does. It's historical for the Christian. It has no power over the Christian, Romans 8.

The self-conflicted statement "I obey the speed limit so there is no speed limit" is a fallacy.

True. But the Christian who follows the leading of the Holy Spirit doesn't fall under the condemnation and judgment of the law.

The example I gave was of one that does not exceed the speed limit.

In Hebrews 8:6-10 it is the saints that have the LAW of God written on the heart.

In Rev 14:12 it is the saints who "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

In 1 John 5:2-3 it is the saints about whom it is written "this IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments"

Nothing but out of context partial quotes changing the Bible to manipulate by condemnation.

 

[listed]

You are under a law - but not under the condemnation of it in that case.

A fallacy.

 

[BobRyan]

That isn't the same as being regulated by the law. .

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.

 

[klutedavid]

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.

Hello Bob.

You quoted the following verse.

Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

Are you preaching that Christians are under the whole law of Moses, all 613 laws?

 

[BobRyan]

That isn't the same as being regulated by the law. .

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.

Hello Bob.
You quoted the following verse.
Are you preaching that Christians are under the whole law of Moses, all 613 laws?

Even your own pro-sunday scholars freely admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the NEW Covenant and that "SIN is transgression of the LAW"

So it is not "just the Bible" that makes this perfectly clear

-- this is the easy part that both sides admit to.

 

[klutedavid]

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.



Even your own pro-sunday scholars freely admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the NEW Covenant and that "SIN is transgression of the LAW"

So it is not "just the Bible" that makes this perfectly clear

-- this is the easy part that both sides admit to.

Hello Bob.

SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

This verse means exactly what it says, it does not say transgression of the ten commandments. It defines sin as breaking the law, the whole law that is. Unless you are of the opinion, that committing kidnapping and sorcery are not breaking the ten commandments. Or are these two sins not immoral?

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

This verse means exactly what it says,

Glad to hear you say that David.

Sometimes even the easy things get doubted - so good to see that you are on board with that.

Mark 7:6-13
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

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God's TEN Commandments are included in what the Bible calls the "Commandments of God"

(So then they are not the only parts of the OT that are included as the "Commandments of God" - but they are one of the laws included)

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KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

 

[bugkiller]

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.

No read the whole verse.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.



Even your own pro-sunday scholars freely admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the NEW Covenant and that "SIN is transgression of the LAW"

So it is not "just the Bible" that makes this perfectly clear

-- this is the easy part that both sides admit to.

No one but you say anything about those pro-Sunday scholars who preach confusion.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.

No read the whole verse.

bugkiller

Did that...

The fact remains.

 

[bugkiller]

Hello Bob.

SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

This verse means exactly what it says, it does not say transgression of the ten commandments. It defines sin as breaking the law, the whole law that is. Unless you are of the opinion, that committing kidnapping and sorcery are not breaking the ten commandments. Or are these two sins not immoral?

or not being in compliance with the 4th commandment.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

or not being in compliance with the 4th commandment.

bugkiller

so then you have decided not to take God's name in vain.. and not to war against His Sabbath Commandment?

Well then .. I say good for you!

 

[bugkiller]

BobRyan said: ↑
In the NT - Sin is still defined this way "SIN IS transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

the fact remains.



Did that...

The fact remains.

Then why is it you continue to post half of the verse ignoring a little four letter word - also?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

so then you have decided not to take God's name in vain.. and not to war against His Sabbath Commandment?

Well then .. I say good for you!

How is it I take God's name in vain? I need to know.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

or not being in compliance with the 4th commandment.

bugkiller

so then you have decided not to take God's name in vain.. and not to war against His Sabbath Commandment?

Well then .. I say good for you!

How is it I take God's name in vain? I need to know.
bugkiller

I find your logic "illusive" --

I thought you had decided that doing such a thing is a sin.

 

[klutedavid]

Glad to hear you say that David.

Sometimes even the easy things get doubted - so good to see that you are on board with that.

Mark 7:6-13
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

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Hello Bob.

The commandment against sorcery and kidnapping is not a tradition of men. These two sins are simply transgression of the law. Why do you neglect the commandments of God and teach the theology of men?

 

[listed]

so then you have decided not to take God's name in vain.. and not to war against His Sabbath Commandment?

Well then .. I say good for you!

Just change the subject rather than admit the truth.

 

[Dkh587]

Shabbat shalom everybody

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

The commandment against sorcery and kidnapping is not a tradition of men.

True... do you have a quote of me saying that it is???

How is that applicable ??