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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

Some claim that all christians are commanded by God to keep the seventh day holy. That is not true.

Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course


Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1-4
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
Exodus 20:11
 
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Some folks argue "the first day is my sabbath" -- well it may be 'your sabbath'... but is it "The Sabbath of the LORD Thy God"??

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Good comment near page 34 of this thread - so adding it here at the front.

Well if there is no consensus on which day is the Seventh,
then as long as we keep the day we believe to be the Sabbath,
then am sure the Lord will not judge us for that which we do not
know, the important thing is to praise and thank our Lord.

There was no "consensus" among the Jews that the Carpenter from Nazareth was the actual Messiah of scripture. Still - He was indeed the Messiah. I think we both agree.

If instead of "consensus" you mean "If we can't really know the days of the week in Christ's day" -- then you are right. But as it turns out we CAN know which day of our week was the 7th day of the week at the time of the Roman empire. This is science and confirmed history reconciling our calendar with that of the Roman calendar 2000 years ago. This is not "the missing part".

so then we know which day of our week - was being kept at the time of the ministry of Christ as "the Sabbath" - we know when He was keeping it.

Thus your argument becomes "IF JESUS Himself did not know which day was the Sabbath of Genesis 2 -- then why should we follow Jesus' example in keeping the day that was kept as Sabbath in his day"?

My question then for you is -- are you really comfortable with that argument?

==================== however in this case -- Consensus

The world's monotheistic religions agree - Saturday is the 7th day and Sunday the first day.

Almost every Christian denomination will tell that Christ was raised on the first day of the week- and that the first day is Sunday.

Almost every Jew will tell you that they keep Saturday as the Sabbath in compliance with the Ten Commandments - specifically the Sabbath Commandment.

Thus while they have doctrinal differences they have what is essentially "consensus" not merely among Christians but BETWEEN major world religions - monotheistic religions.

What is more the word for Saturday is "Sabbath" in over 23 nations on earth - both Christian and non-Christian.

Here is a map of it --
Names for Saturday in Many Languages Prove Which Day Is the True Sabbath

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Here is an interesting "detail" -- the vast majority of Christian denominations admitting to the historic fact that the 7th day of the week was Saturday and Sunday the first day of the week - at the time of Christ, as kept by Christ and all the Jews... will almost never melt down into a debate over the idea that they don't really know if Sunday was the first day of the week at the time. They all know - it was and seldom ever resort to that debate among themselves.

This debate point only comes up for the 7th day of the week, almost never on the subject of "which day is the first day of the week". Kinda "odd".
 
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------------------ traditions of man said --

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.


================= but God said


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.


It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Ten Commandments quoted in NT when giving examples of the LAW.

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’




Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
 
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Wonder why God gave the Sabbath to mankind in Isaiah 66:23 and Jesus said it was made for MANKIND Mark 2:27

Could it be... that Israel was also composed of humans... a part of "mankind"

Wonder why both the Ten Commandments and new NEW COVENANT are made with "the house of Israel"...

Wonder why even all these pro-sunday scholars - also admit to the glaringly obvious Bible detail that the TEN Commandments are for mankind - not "just Jews"...

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
 
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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath guarantees that God's people are never to be a slave race - despite what some entities have tried over history, and want to continue to do. Slaves don't rest; indeed, the Hebrews in Egypt never rested. Even in the foundations of everything, God's gesture to rest (at least) one day means that even He does not work all the time. Naturally, His people do not work all the time, and must have at least one day of rest in which they abide in Him. The Sabbath, therefore, was made for His creation since the beginning - not for us to do our own thing, but for us to treat it as a holy convocation.

It is described in celestial detail how, when and why to follow the Weekly Sabbath in the bible - specifically Exodus. The way to practice the other Sabbaths are in the bible, and their importance.

The Sabbath was supposed to be a gift to us - especially in the context of the Egyptian Hebrews. We were commanded to have one day (at least) to totally devote to Him - and rest from all servile work. It isnt supposed to be a burden.
 
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Indeed the "Sabbath was made for mankind" -- a true blessing.

But what many find shocking is that the Word of God on this doctrine cannot be bent-and-wrenched into "pick any day in 7 that you wish for YOUR Sabbath". Rather the 7th day is the "Sabbath of the LORD Thy God"

And that -- is worth noting.
 
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On what day do you mow your lawn? Do you also on that day "worship God"? Of course you do. We all worship God every day. But every day is not a "day of worship". Every day is not an entire day devoted to worship a day on which secular employment, secular occupation would be violation of the Word of God.

There is but one "day of worship" even though there are "seven days in the week in which we worship".

God said "if a man will not work neither let him eat". Not working for all 7 days - would be sin. But working on God's day of worship is also violation of His word.

Which brings us to Mark 7:6-13.
 
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Naturally, His people do not work all the time, and must have at least one day of rest in which they abide in Him. The Sabbath, therefore, was made for His creation since the beginning - not for us to do our own thing, but for us to treat it as a holy convocation. .

Indeed "one day of rest" -- which is specifically "the 7th day" not merely "one day in 7". For as we see in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- it is the 7th day.
 
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The Sabbath IS but a shadow, Jesus is reality. You quote a few verses that would seem to indicate your stance, yet in the overall picture God has never ever revealed the Israelite Sabbath to any other nation. If it is so important to salvation then why? He told Israel why He gave it to them. They were to remember their flight out of bondage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe the Eskimos were ever in bondage in Egypt. The Aborigines the same. How about Europe, Africa, Russia Australia, Japan or China. Not a peep from God to those people. Not a peep to neighboring countries of old Israel.

Is it possible that the Sabbath given only to the now defunct Israel was really for them only and Paul was correct in Col 2 that the Sabbath became merely a shadow and Jesus is reality? No, that couldn't be true because SDAs have a prophet that wrote adamantly otherwise. The all wise all knowing prophet has spoken and the little flock blindly follows. No matter that the prophet has been proven to be false and most of her council has been ignored by almost all the flock, we will follow her council that you will be lost if you don't "keep", what ever that means, the Sabbath "holy", what ever that means.
 
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The Sabbath IS but a shadow, Jesus is reality. You quote a few verses that would seem to indicate your stance, yet in the overall picture God has never ever revealed the Israelite Sabbath to any other nation. If it is so important to salvation then why? He told Israel why He gave it to them. They were to remember their flight out of bondage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe the Eskimos were ever in bondage in Egypt. The Aborigines the same. How about Europe, Africa, Russia Australia, Japan or China. Not a peep from God to those people. Not a peep to neighboring countries of old Israel.

Is it possible that the Sabbath given only to the now defunct Israel was really for them only and Paul was correct in Col 2 that the Sabbath became merely a shadow and Jesus is reality? No, that couldn't be true because SDAs have a prophet that wrote adamantly otherwise. The all wise all knowing prophet has spoken and the little flock blindly follows. No matter that the prophet has been proven to be false and most of her council has been ignored by almost all the flock, we will follow her council that you will be lost if you don't "keep", what ever that means, the Sabbath "holy", what ever that means.
What was the point of God repeating the 10 Commandments over and over to them, if he really wanted them to keep 9?
Why does it show during the 1000 yr millennium with Christ that we will be keeping it again along with the feats?
 
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What was the point of God repeating the 10 Commandments over and over to them, if he really wanted them to keep 9?
He didn't want them to observe 9. They were to observe all 10. They meaning Israel. Do you see anyplace where the Sabbath command is given to all nations here on this Earth?

Why does it show during the 1000 yr millennium with Christ that we will be keeping it again along with the feats?
Good question and I am not sure you really find the answer in Is 66. Is 65 talks about the same new earth and man will live to be over 100 and babies will no longer die at a young age. People will go out and walk among dead bodies that are full of worms. Is all this your idea of post millennium? Just maybe Paul know more that Isaiah knew. Sabbath was temporary and it is now a shadow.

By the way the 9 moral commands are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to moral commands. The 9 do not even contain the commands to love God and our fellow man. The only thing that made them special was who wrote them. Poor old Moses would have had to have a Mack truck to carry all the laws dealing with morality had they all been written on stone. You talk about sore fingers from grinding in all that stone, WOW!
 
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The 7th day of God is coming.
Are you ready?

That is kind of funny. What is not funny is the fact Jesus is coming and some are so engrossed with the defunct Sabbath that they are missing the real truth.
 
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Well, YHWH still says it is HIS set apart DAY. YHWH set it apart on the 7th DAY OF CREATION in BERESHIT(GENESIS).

Whoever wants to come, can come, and drink of the fountain of life > Y'SHUA LIVING WATER.
 
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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Lord's day is Sunday the day of Christ's resurrection. SDA don't even talk about the resurrection because it took place on Sunday.
 
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The Sabbath IS but a shadow, Jesus is reality. You quote a few verses that would seem to indicate your stance, yet in the overall picture God has never ever revealed the Israelite Sabbath to any other nation. If it is so important to salvation then why? He told Israel why He gave it to them. They were to remember their flight out of bondage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe the Eskimos were ever in bondage in Egypt. The Aborigines the same. How about Europe, Africa, Russia Australia, Japan or China. Not a peep from God to those people. Not a peep to neighboring countries of old Israel.

Is it possible that the Sabbath given only to the now defunct Israel was really for them only and Paul was correct in Col 2 that the Sabbath became merely a shadow and Jesus is reality? No, that couldn't be true because SDAs have a prophet that wrote adamantly otherwise. The all wise all knowing prophet has spoken and the little flock blindly follows. No matter that the prophet has been proven to be false and most of her council has been ignored by almost all the flock, we will follow her council that you will be lost if you don't "keep", what ever that means, the Sabbath "holy", what ever that means.

Amen Bob! At least there is one Bob on this thread who knows something.
 
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The Lord's day is Sunday the day of Christ's resurrection. SDA don't even talk about the resurrection because it took place on Sunday.
There is nowhere in the bible that says Saturday or Sunday is the Lords Day.
Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath, but that is the closest we will come to any day being labeled.

Sunday is the lords day is just theology school doctrine.
 
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Naturally, His people do not work all the time, and must have at least one day of rest in which they abide in Him. The Sabbath, therefore, was made for His creation since the beginning - not for us to do our own thing, but for us to treat it as a holy convocation. .

Indeed "one day of rest" -- which is specifically "the 7th day" not merely "one day in 7". For as we see in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- it is the 7th day.

Bible details matter.


Your video not withstanding - the Bible details as noted above - "remain"
 
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