the self replicating watch argument

[Kylie]

The fact that your heart keeps beating without any conscious effort is a miracle. The fact that your bowels remove waste from your body without any consciousness of the process leading to it is a miracle. That fact that your ears can detect distance and location without any conscious effort is a miracle.

The fact that you can reason .... sometimes without any conscious effort.... denies all I said.

No, those things are biology.

Or are you saying that my poops are the work of God?

 

[Kylie]

the point is that we can compare between them in some points.

So your point is that cars can do particular things, animals can do different things, and sometimes you get things that can be done by both cars and animals, such as how both can move from place to place.

Still, what is your actual point?

 

[Kylie]

why not? if according to evolution a self replicating molecule can add a complexity over time why not a car?

Because the self replicating molecule adds complexity OVER MANY GENERATIONS. Since cars don't reproduce, they lack the mechanism by which to do this.

 

[Kylie]

Yes... Only in relation to the physical body.

Its the human soul that was created in the Image of God... Not, the body. Animal souls are generic in regards to God.

The body is only a biological machine that was designed to make the expression of the soul physically visible, and for mobility while we yet live in a physical world in time and space.

In what way is the Human soul created in God's image? Please be specific.

 

[Kylie]

That applies to all material things, yes?

Can you think of two things you can not compare?

Apples and oranges.

 

[truefiction1]

Provide links please! What confirmed miracles have there been? Back up your claims!

"'A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.' Then He left them and went away."

 

[truefiction1]

why not? if according to evolution a self replicating molecule can add a complexity over time why not a car?

Because cars are comprised strictly of inorganic material so that there are no reproductive processes occurring in any of the molecules they're made of. With living (biological) organisms there are reproductive processes at work which can allow for genetic modifications.

 

[truefiction1]

Nope, its faith. Look it up.

It's actually by "grace" that we do know what we worship, and that is where the "faith" comes from, from grace.

 

[VirOptimus]

I did not ask what you believe now. It was a hypothetical question.

I asked.... What would you think of Jesus if you discovered He invented DNA and its functions?

DNA is not an invention. Learn the basics.

 

[VirOptimus]

With you teaching? I have already done so otherwise.

No you havent, I can read your posts you know.

 

[VirOptimus]

It's actually by "grace" that we do know what we worship, and that is where the "faith" comes from, from grace.

Its still faith. Metaphysics is by their nature unknowable.

 

[doubtingmerle]

"'A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.' Then He left them and went away."

Are you leaving us and going away?

 

[Ophiolite]

Yet still. The Lord invented those biological mechanisms that would cause those digestive repercussions.... He created spices. Fennel did not evolve into curry. Thyme did not evolve into oregano.

This is your belief. The evidence says that, if He exists, he took no part in the evolution of fennel, falcon or fundamentalists, other than setting up the ground rules.

 

[GenemZ]

Its still faith. Metaphysics is by their nature unknowable.

The person without the spirit (only consisting of body and soul) can not
accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them
foolishness (Greek= root word moros = moronic), and cannot understand
them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Cor 2:14​

You are not a new thing to believers. We know what the problem is.

 

[GenemZ]

Its still faith. Metaphysics is by their nature unknowable.

Ironically... you said what you said. And, believe it is so. By faith.

 

[GenemZ]

When trolls, fools and troublemakers infuriate, Report don't Retort!

For some, the worst troll is the truth.

 

[VirOptimus]

Ironically... you said what you said. And, believe it is so. By faith.

No, its not by faith. Thats how it is, a basic knowledge in theology and/or philosophy would inform you in the matter.

 

[VirOptimus]

The person without the spirit (only consisting of body and soul) can not
accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them
foolishness (Greek= root word moros = moronic), and cannot understand
them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Cor 2:14​

You are not a new thing to believers. We know what the problem is.

As Im an atheist I dont care what the bible say.

And what is the ”problem”?

 

[Ophiolite]

For some, the worst troll is the truth.

Perhaps, but not for me. We can exchange pithy remarks all year. It won't alter the abundance of evidence for a natural world, nor the near total dependence of Christian belief upon faith. I have nothing against faith. It seems to serve Hindus, Pagans, Marxists, Jews, Muslims and Christians well, but it is not for me.

 

[GenemZ]

No, its not by faith. Thats how it is, a basic knowledge in theology and/or philosophy would inform you in the matter.

What do you think faith is? Something only for believers?

Did you believe that your great great grandfather (whom you never met) lived in a certain city, because you saw him there? Or, do you accept it by faith when you were told?

Faith is for everybody.


When it pertains to God, believers need to depend upon faith to learn about Him. In the future the believer will no longer need faith. For we will see Him.