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@Apple Sky , are you satisfied that the emergency landings make perfect sense on the globe? Do you understand that they are not proof the earth is flat?
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@Apple Sky , are you satisfied that the emergency landings make perfect sense on the globe? Do you understand that they are not proof the earth is flat?

No - Watch the video again @ 3.29 you'll see he is using the Gleason's map & Hawaii is the nearest place to land.


Gleason's new standard map of the world : on the projection of J.S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England ; scientifically and practically correct ; as "it is."​

 
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No - Watch the video again @ 3.29 you'll see he is using the Gleason's map & Hawaii is the nearest place to land.
You are confused. On the Gleason map he has drawn a line from Hong Kong to L.A. which goes straight across Alaska, no where near Hawaii.
Tha actual routes flown as shown in post #658 are much closer to Anchorage, Alaska than they are to Hawaii, so Anchorage was the closest international airport for an emergency landing.
The Gleason map is roughly accurate for the Arctic, but once you go beyond towards the South it becomes more and more inaccurate. Wildly inaccurate beyond the equator. It shows Australia to be twice the width of the USA! (the USA is actually 315 miles wider than Australia)
 
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You are confused. On the Gleason map he has drawn a line from Hong Kong to L.A. which goes straight across Alaska, no where near Hawaii.
Tha actual routes flown as shown in post #658 are much closer to Anchorage, Alaska than they are to Hawaii, so Anchorage was the closest international airport for an emergency landing.
The Gleason map is roughly accurate for the Arctic, but once you go beyond towards the South it becomes more and more inaccurate. Wildly inaccurate beyond the equator. It shows Australia to be twice the width of the USA! (the USA is actually 315 miles wider than Australia)

I just searched for Alaska on the Gleason's map & this is what I just read;

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Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map, appearing far to the northwest of Europe and North America and bordering the ice ring that encircles the outer edge of the world.
 
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I cannot explain this video. It is beyond stupid.

It's not stupid, watch it at 3:29 where he uses the Gleason's map for comparison.

He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

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Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map, appearing far to the northwest of Europe and North America and bordering the ice ring that encircles the outer edge of the world.
 
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It's not stupid, watch it at 3:29 where he uses the Gleason's map for comparison.

He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

AI Overview

Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map, appearing far to the northwest of Europe and North America and bordering the ice ring that encircles the outer edge of the world.
Gleason’s map is not a map of the flat earth but of a flattened globe and he knew it when he applied for the patent for his map.

“But while Gleason argued the earth is flat in his book, his application to the U.S. Patent Office for the map appears to contradict this. The application states that the map is extracted from the earth as a globe. Specifically, Gleason said: “The extortion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.”

Gleason did not publicly address the contradiction between his book and his patent application. The team at Boston Rare Maps (here), which sold a rare copy of the map, said on their website they read the passage in the patent application, “as Gleason unwittingly fessing up that his map is, like any other, a projection of a globe or section thereof onto a flat surface.”


So when you start with a fake you finish with a fake.
 
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Gleason’s map is not a map of the flat earth but of a flattened globe and he knew it when he applied for the patent for his map.

“But while Gleason argued the earth is flat in his book, his application to the U.S. Patent Office for the map appears to contradict this. The application states that the map is extracted from the earth as a globe. Specifically, Gleason said: “The extortion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.”

Gleason did not publicly address the contradiction between his book and his patent application. The team at Boston Rare Maps (here), which sold a rare copy of the map, said on their website they read the passage in the patent application, “as Gleason unwittingly fessing up that his map is, like any other, a projection of a globe or section thereof onto a flat surface.”


So when you start with a fake you finish with a fake.

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Alexander Gleason was a flat Earth advocate
who published a book and created a map to promote the idea that the Earth is flat.

He created and patented the 1892 Gleason's New Standard Map of the World, which he marketed as "scientifically and practically correct; as 'it is'". The map is a polar azimuthal equidistant projection that places the North Pole at the center and Antarctica as an ice wall ring around the outer edge, a design popular among modern flat-Earth proponents.

So they say which they have too.

While Gleason used the map to support his flat Earth claims, his own patent application for the map describes it as a projection from a globe. The application states that the map was created by "straightening out of the meridian lines" from a spherical model.
 
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Alexander Gleason was a flat Earth advocate
who published a book and created a map to promote the idea that the Earth is flat.

He created and patented the 1892 Gleason's New Standard Map of the World, which he marketed as "scientifically and practically correct; as 'it is'". The map is a polar azimuthal equidistant projection that places the North Pole at the center and Antarctica as an ice wall ring around the outer edge, a design popular among modern flat-Earth proponents.

So they say which they have too.

While Gleason used the map to support his flat Earth claims, his own patent application for the map describes it as a projection from a globe. The application states that the map was created by "straightening out of the meridian lines" from a spherical model.
Yep so the map is not of a flat earth but of a spherical earth.
 
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So they say, they have to say this to cover themselves.
Nope. Alexander Gleason said it when he applied for the patent. That was also part of your own AI quote. Did you not read what you posted?
 
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Nope. Alexander Gleason said it when he applied for the patent. That was also part of your own AI quote. Did you not read what you posted?
Of course did you ? Here it is again.

So they say which they have too.

While Gleason used the map to support his flat Earth claims, his own patent application for the map describes it as a projection from a globe. The application states that the map was created by "straightening out of the meridian lines" from a spherical model.
 
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It's not stupid, watch it at 3:29 where he uses the Gleason's map for comparison.

He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

AI Overview

Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map, appearing far to the northwest of Europe and North America and bordering the ice ring that encircles the outer edge of the world.
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Your post is misleading because where you write: He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

You should have added on a globe model
 
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I just searched for Alaska on the Gleason's map & this is what I just read;

AI Overview

Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map, appearing far to the northwest of Europe and North America and bordering the ice ring that encircles the outer edge of the world.
I was wrong to say you were confused. "Delirious" would have been much more accurate. Your AI overview seems to think Australia is Alaska. For someone who claims to follow God's Word, you put an awful lot of faith in a man made machine, one that is quite obviously hallucinating.
Seeing as the airlines described in the video DID actually make emergency landings in Alaska, I don't think you realise that you are arguing against the flat earth. You are the goalie and you just turned around and kicked the ball into your own goal.
Brilliant! Keep it up :)
 
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Of course did you ? Here it is again.

So they say which they have too.

While Gleason used the map to support his flat Earth claims, his own patent application for the map describes it as a projection from a globe. The application states that the map was created by "straightening out of the meridian lines" from a spherical model.
From my post 666.

Specifically, Gleason said: “The extortion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.”

These are Gleason’s own words in the application for a patent. What part of him saying that it was from a globe are you not understanding?
 
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Your post is misleading because where you write: He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

You should have added on a globe model
lol @Apple Sky has a flat earth coach now.
 
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Your post is misleading because where you write: He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

You should have added on a globe model
Misleading? Did you not read where she said, "Alaska is located in the
upper-left quadrant of the map"? Have you looked at the upper-left quadrant of a Gleason map?
 
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Your post is misleading because where you write: He reckons Hawaii would have been the quickest & nearest to land and not Alaska.

You should have added on a globe model

Thank you, much appreciated.
 
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Your AI overview seems to think Australia is Alaska. For someone who claims to follow God's Word, you put an awful lot of faith in a man made machine, one that is quite obviously hallucinating.

Okay so A1 got it wrong & so I should have checked, stop gloating.
 
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