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The Second Coming was in 312AD

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by interpreter, Oct 11, 2013.

  1. interpreter

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    Constantine was not only a Christian, he was (is) a saint.
     
  2. Albion

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    That's so, and very important in the history of Christianity, but it still doesn't make him the part of the second coming of Christ.
     
  3. 101c

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    I'm not saying you fellas are right, or wrong, but consider this. our Lord and God Jesus the Christ return is two fold. 1st, he return in Spirit and in Power, on the day of Pentecost. the Spirit was given, or as our Lord said in John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you". question, when did he come?. answer, on the day of Pentecost, (see acts chapter 2). for he said this in Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". have the Kingdom come?, yes, supportive scripture, Colossians 1:12 "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son". hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son. "hath" in this verse is a past tense designation. meaning it have already happen. is not our Lord the sanctuary for us?. scripture, Isaiah 8:14 "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem". some are still stumbling, or in a snare. still in Babylon.

    and two, are all those who was standing there at the time of our Lord speech, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". well show me scripture where these have not tasted death?.

    now if our Lord's second coming was two fold. and the first of the two fold was in Spirit, (the Holy Spirit). what about the second of the two fold coming?. answer in "APPERANCE". supportive scripture, Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation". he appeared the first time when in came into the world as a babe in a manger. but his second appearing, is as returning KING & Judge. IMMORTAL, and ETERNAL, the Lord GOD almighty.

    so our Lord return is two fold, 1st in Spirit, next in "appearance". and ever eye shall see him, even those who pierced him. (see rev 1:7). so no rapture. just the gathering, as a matter of fact it will be two gathering. one upwards. and finally one downwards. supportive scripture, Isaiah 14:9 "Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.






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    "the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"​
     
  4. Phantasman

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    I wasn't aware saints killed people.
     
  5. interpreter

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    St. Constantine was the first Christian conqueror, and he arrived on the world scene when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, marking the second coming. And he rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.
     
  6. Albion

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    You said that already.

    And I asked you where were all the other signs that the Bible teaches will occur at the time of the second coming.

    You can't answer that because they did NOT occur. OK? And since they did not, Constantine's doings CANNOT be the second coming of Christ in any respect.
     
  7. interpreter

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    I have no doubt that the sign of the Son of Man was preceded by other signs in the sky such as a lunar eclipse and/or solar eclipse, and meteor showers.
     
  8. Albion

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    Then you are telling us about your own personal theory concerning something you think might have happened, not something that did.

    And you have no evidence whatsoever of these various (not just one) phenomena that could not, would not, have been missed by anyone--stars falling from the sky, angels with trumpets, the Lord appearing in the heavens, the sun being darkened, etc.

    What we are telling you in return is our "take" on the subject, which is that unless these things actually did happen--and if they did, they would certainly have been noticed even more easily than the color of Constantine's horse ^_^--they didn't happen. And of course, there's always that little problem of there being no end of the age, judgment, etc.

    About these things, we have "no doubt."
     
  9. Der Alte

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    What you have no doubts about is not evidence. Since the signs were prophesied they were intended to be observed to distinguish the prophesied events from ordinary events. So where is the record for all, not some, of the prophesied events? There is no record for them happening because they have not occurred yet.
     
  10. interpreter

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    All the world history books say that the sign of the Son of Man did appear in 312 AD. And that that day marks the turning point in history because ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth.
    The USA is the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death.
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    :thumbsup:

    Makes me proud to be an American

    F-18 Hornet fighter jet retrofitted for action in the Middle East

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  12. interpreter

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    May God bless you Little Lamb. All Christians in the US should be proud to be Americans, and remember to vote to exercise our control over the weapons of the fourth horseman.
     
  13. Albion

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    Uhh. No, they don't.

    Most (I don't know if either of us has actually read every last world history book that's in print) say that Constantine said that he saw.... or thought that he saw.... or reportedly saw...

    There is no corroborating evidence of anyone else having seen this sign in the clouds, which would have been unmistakable to thousands of other people if it had actually been there as Constantine said it was.
     
  14. smashed4christ

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    The coming of Christ the Father is when the world is a total wreck with 99.9% of the inhabitants strewn across the planet that resembles an open graveyard.

    The world continuously quakes and roles to and fro like a drunkard and the day is pitch black and those that are barely alive on the condemned planet wished that they were dead to never experience such torment of those days.

    Those days will be during the time the sixth seal of John's Revelation is opened by Christ on the great day of slaughter where he will make a quick riddance of man and beast from the face of the planet. This is where Christ the Father comes out from his place on the Great Day of Battle and open the heavens to bring down fire upon all the inhabitants of earth.

    The Christ will come to his remaining elect who barely manage to stay alive on the condemned planet and the conditions vividly described in Joel 2:1-12. Christ says he shortens those days for the sake of the elect otherwise there would no flesh be left alive.

    So the coming of The Lord will be as a brilliant light in the same way he declared let there be light in Genesis One account and he will sound the seventh trumpet of God almighty as the Alpha and Omega and declare time no longer, meaning the time based realm is completely dissolved as the first earth and the first heaven pass away and New Jerusalem, the Ark of Safety comes into view as the Kingdom that he had established after he ascended up on high after his first advent and will continue to reign for ever and ever.

    Those who were not par to the resurrection of the dead from when the tombs of the Old Covenant Saints were opened, right throughout the Great Harvest when the thief (death) comes to destroy (kill) the earthly house (your body) in a day and hour you know not, in the middle of midnight (12:00 o'clock your time is up).

    All the departed from when Christ ascended up on high have gone through the first judgement proceedings to either be called sheep or cast out for the final destruction in the lake of fire as goats, who await the seventh trumpet execution of the soul.
     
  15. ThatAthlete

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    Oh well, but he is coming again very soon though :)
     
  16. LittleLambofJesus

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    Every generation for 2000 yrs has said the same thing ;)

    Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives the Disciples came toward Him according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be
    and what? the sign of Thy parousiaV <3952> and the together-finish of the Age"

    2 Peter 3:4 and saying, `Where is the promise of the ParousiaV <3952> of Him?
    for from which the fathers were-reposed, all thus is continuing from beginning of creation;'

    James 5:8 be ye patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
    Because the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758)




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  17. interpreter

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    Every eye saw it. If it was too cloudy, they soon saw it on Roman armor and Roman coins, and in Church art. You too can see the sign of the Son of Man with the aid of any star-tracking software. Just set the date and time for just after sunset on Oct. 27th, 312 AD.
     
  18. Albion

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    You would like to believe that, I assume. However, you cited historians several times and you now want us to think that they are wrong in this regard. If the events that the Bible tells us will accompany the second coming had taken place, it would be one of the most noticed series of events in all history. Historians do not report that ANY of these end-times indicators were seen.


    That's amusing. Constantine was supposed by you to have seen it but "it was too cloudy" for anyone else near him to have seen it. :doh: And, BTW, there's no "it." There are to be a number of different signs, and you just don't have them.

    Also, notice that in your post you stated that every eye saw it...and then that it was too cloudy for them to see it. :sigh:
     
  19. interpreter

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    The second coming, when Jesus came into power, was in 312AD. Today, the 4th horseman (i,e,the US) rules the earth for Jesus.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2013
  20. interpreter

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    The coming of the sign of the Son of Man is the most noted event in history. It is known as the turning point of history because, ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth.
     
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