The Scriptures and Authority

[Oblio]

Huh? How is their communion any different than yours?

In the way you used the term, it is different in many ways.

But I was using the term in the Orthodox manner, IOW Eucharistic Communion is sharing in Common of the Pure Body and Precious Blood of Christ. We are one in that Cup, united in Body and belief. We do not share that Cup or belief with anyone else.

 

[Thekla]

Orthodoxy, in my opinion, replaced faith; the Holy Spirit, substituting out the teaching of the Holy Spirit for man's reasoning about the Holy Spirit. Orthodoxy set itself up to be the kingdom of God to its adherents. Ergo, if one violates orthodoxy one is a heretic and doomed to hell, invalidating Paul's declaration in Gal 2.20 ".... I now live ....... by the faith of the Son of God,...." ....*Plus nothing

*[emphasis added]

Wanna serve up some more scripture with that assertion ?

 

[Ormly]

Wanna serve up some more scripture with that assertion ?

Sorry, but scripture is not much available for such understanding except for us to make distinctions, have discernment between what was purposed-intended from the orginal texts, as best we have them, and what we wound up with after the Apostles died off. It is easy to see that we went from an understanding of the Church being an organism to the present which is an organization, full of man's reasoning.

For instance: The Kingdom of God was one of two messages of Jesus Christ. The other being of His redemption. The Kingdom is mentiond by Jesus about 100 times in the gospels. Aside from the "Lords Prayer", find where else the Kingdom of God is mentioned in the creeds of the orthodoxy.

 

[Oblio]

Aside from the "Lords Prayer", find where else the Kingdom of God is mentioned in the creeds of the orthodoxy.

Who's Kingdom shall have no end ...

[Nicean/Constantinopolitian Creed]

 

[Thekla]

Sorry, but scripture is not much available for such understanding except for us to make distinctions, have discernment between what was purposed-intended from the orginal texts, as best we have them, and what we wound up with after the Apostles died off. It is easy to see that we went from an understanding of the Church being an organism to the present which is an organization, full of man's reasoning.

For instance: The Kingdom of God was one of two messages of Jesus Christ. The other being of His redemption. The Kingdom is mentiond by Jesus about 100 times in the gospels. Aside from the "Lords Prayer", find where else the Kingdom of God is mentioned in the creeds of the orthodoxy.

it just seems that your understanding of Orthodoxy is incomplete; to make such an assertion you would have to "know" something (a relatedness issue) versus understand ( observe and delineate).

 

[Ormly]

it just seems that your understanding of Orthodoxy is incomplete; to make such an assertion you would have to "know" something (a relatedness issue) versus understand ( observe and delineate).

Perhaps you can demonstrate with your understanding where you believe my weakness to be?

 

[Ormly]

Who's Kingdom shall have no end ...

[Nicean/Constantinopolitian Creed]

How about giving me two outta three? .........

 

[Thekla]

Perhaps you can demonstrate with your understanding where you believe my weakness to be?

because its one thing to look at history, practice, etc etc and quite another to participate, to be "engaged". I may be way off, but many assessments of Orthodoxy don't look beyond the surface, and therefore find only "surface"...

 

[Oblio]

How about giving me two outta three? .........

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen

[Nicean Constantinopolitan Creed]

 

[Ormly]

because its one thing to look at history, practice, etc etc and quite another to participate, to be "engaged". I may be way off, but many assessments of Orthodoxy don't look beyond the surface, and therefore find only "surface"...

I understand but that is not me. I see a distinction difference beteen the Kingdom and Church which, after the Apostlic age, set itself up as being the Kingdom. Can't you see this from history as well? Certainly that is going beyond the surface and seeing something much deeper.

 

[Thekla]

I understand but that is not me. I see a distinction difference beteen the Kingdom and Church which, after the Apostlic age, set itself up as being the Kingdom. Can't you see this from history as well? Certainly that is going beyond the surface and seeing something much deeper.

its "one version" of history, told with an underlying bias or expectation.

 

[Ormly]

its "one version" of history, told with an underlying bias or expectation.

But is it the truth are not? The resulting evidence is still with us.

 

[Thekla]

But is it the truth are not? The resulting evidence is still with us.

the "evidence" is that which you find, read on the surface and based on your understanding. It may be an assembly of some "facts", but is sifted through expectations based on a particular understanding; that doesn't mean its true.

 

[Ormly]

the "evidence" is that which you find, read on the surface and based on your understanding. It may be an assembly of some "facts", but is sifted through expectations based on a particular understanding; that doesn't mean its true.

You mean like the front page newspapers and the religious pronouncements of the CC inferring, "Swing on my gate or you don't go to heaven"?

 

[Thekla]

You mean like the front page newspapers and the religious pronouncements of the CC inferring, "Swing on my gate or you don't go to heaven"?

I'm not CC.

 

[Ormly]

I'm not CC.

Is there a difference bewteen the CC and EO when speaking of such things??

 

[Thekla]

Is there a difference bewteen the CC and EO when speaking of such things??

what things ?
and are similarities maintained when sifted through a different "understanding" ?

 

[Ormly]

what things ?

The matters we speak of.

and are similarities maintained when sifted through a different "understanding" ?

Please show me the difference that I might be corrected. I don't know much about the EO except it is a split off the RCC; holding other issues as more valid. Perhaps I should understand more before commenting on "these things"?

 

[Oblio]

Is there a difference bewteen the CC and EO when speaking of such things??

Yes

 

[Ormly]

Yes

Is a 'yes' all I get or can I look for a little more?