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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Every statement provided to you has been supported by God's WORD. You have chosen to ignore it. Once again these are God's WORD not mine. You are free to do and believe as you wish as we all stand before God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Your claims of JEREMIAH is once again a false one. As posted earlier more then once now...

    The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the old Covenant. No more animal sacricfices, sin offerings, ceremonial laws and Levitical Priesthood from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always had in the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

    JEREMIAH 31:34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ.

    No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an end to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

    Can you see your error here brother?

    Hope this helps.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Thanks for picking this up. This was a typo and should be EXODUS 32:16 (not 26). It was posted as a proof text showing that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) were the WORK of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.
    Nope, not at all it is God's WORD not mine that says; WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER *ECCLESIASTES 3:14. Your response is to call JEREMIAH a liar. It is your interpretation of the scriptures brother that makes JEREMIAH a liar. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. *ROMANS 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Your error is that you mix up God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) with the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COEVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to?

    As shown through the scriptures earlier the OLD COVENANT includes both Gods ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 34:28 and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE OLD COVENANT * EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 29:21; DEUTERONOMY 31:26; 2 KINGS 23:2; 2 KINGS 23:3; 2 KINGS 23:21; 2 CHRONICLES 34:30; 2 CHRONICLES 34:31 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Together it is God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that make up the OLD COVENANT.

    God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) has the same role it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

    The OLD TESTAMENT is written in HEBREW and translated into the GREEK. The HEBREW WORD for SABBATH is SABBATH SHABBATH שׁבּת (H7676) Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

    The GREEK translation of the HEBREW word SABBATH SHABBATH שׁבּת is σάββατον; SABBATON; sab'-bat-on Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

    NOTE: The application of SABBATON from the GREEk translation of SHABBATH has a wider application than merely GOD'S 4th Commandment or SEVENTH DAY. It also includes ANY DAY OF WEEKLY REPOSE FROM SECULAR WORK. The use of the word SABBATON is not retricted only to the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th Commandment. It can also mean the intervals between the SABBATH depending on the context it is applied in also ANY DAY of the week NO WORK is done. Therefore as the GREEK word has many meanings and applications the CONTEXT of how the GREEK word is used determines the correct definition.

    This means ALL the annual feast days that were not the SEVENTH DAY but where no work was to be done are also translated as SABBATON.

    These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbaths (plural) were connected to..

    * Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
    * Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
    * Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

    These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

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    The within scripture and chapter CONTEXT is where we then must determine the correct application and meaning of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 which is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

    COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

    PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

    EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

    NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

    ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

    HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

    wait for it back to the NEW...

    HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    HEBREWS 10:1-9
    [1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    [2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    [3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
    [4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
    [5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
    [6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
    [7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
    [8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
    [9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

    NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offereings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

    Your use of the GREEK leave out the context of application and word use that PAUL is writing about from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures which are the sacrificial SIN offereings and JEWISH annual festivals that where shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    Will continue with this a little more. The above here is the within scripture context. Let's also look at the within chapter context..
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Ok the above section addressed the use of the GREEK word SABBATON and application and word use in the WITHIN scriptures CONTEXT applied to COLOSSIANS 2:16-17. Let's now look at the within CHAPTER CONTEXT leading up to COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 to determine the topic of conversation.

    COL 2:11-17 CHAPTER CONTEXT
    [11], In whom also you are CIRCUMCISION with the CIRCUMCISION made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
    [12], Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead.
    [13], And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    [14], BLOTTING OUT the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
    [15], And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
    [16], Let no man therefore judge you in FOOD AND DRINK, or in respect of a HOLY DAY [FESTIVAL], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:
    [17], Which are a SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

    CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)

    V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

    THE SHADOW LAWS FORETOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

    DEUTERONOMY 10:16 [16] CIRCUMCISE THERFORE THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

    DEUTERONOMY 30:6 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

    JEREMIAH 4:4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

    NOTE: NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

    ROMANS 2:25-29 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

    1 CORITHIANS 7:19 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

    This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

    HEBREWS 8:10 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS [NOTE: THE SHADOW OF CIRCUMCSION]: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14

    Let's continue on through the chapter...

    COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.

    14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

    14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

    V14
    Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

    The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7

    This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

    ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments which is death) and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

    What is the penalty for sin that was against us in the OLD and NEW COVENANT?

    ECCLESIASTES 18:20
    20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

    ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

    The death penalty is against us. So were all the ceremonial laws from the OLD COVENANT that were required to seek God's forgiveness *LEVITICUS 16. In the NEW COVENANT we are forgiven by FAITH through confession and repentance for our sins *1 JOHN 1:9; MATTHEW 3:2 . No more animal sacrifices required.

    (See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

    CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

    Can you see your error here brother?
     
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    Let's take a look at the scriptures you take out of CONTEXT here brother.

    HEBREWS 7:12 is talking about a change of law in regards to the LEVITICAL Priesthood not God's 10 commandments. Let's look at the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures...

    So what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 7 and what laws is it talking about? Is HEBREWS 7 talking about GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) or the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sins *DEUTERONOMY 29:21?

    Let's look at the scriptures...

    HEBREWS 7:1-28
    [1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
    [2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
    [3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
    [4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
    [5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

    NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

    [6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
    [7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
    [8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
    [9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
    [10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
    [11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

    NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

    [12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
    [13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
    [14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
    [15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

    NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

    [16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
    [17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
    [18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
    [19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
    [20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
    [21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
    [22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
    [23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
    [24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
    [25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
    [26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
    [27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
    [28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

    NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

    .............

    CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW not the 10 commandments and a change in the Priesthood and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. Not the 10 commandments. Can you see your mistake here? Is there anything you are specifically referring to in Galatians you wish to discuss?

    Can you see the error of your interpretation here brother with the CONTEXT you leave out?

    Hope this helps.
     
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    We looked at your claims of HEBREWS 7:12 that show the context you left out in the previopus post showing that HEBREWS 7 is talking about the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT in regards to a change of the Priesthood and not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) Let's look at your next claim in LUKE 24:44

    LUKE 24:44 [44], And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    This scripture actually supports all the other scriptures that have been shared with you in relation to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT and God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments). The SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 have their fulfillment in JESUS as our great sin offereing *JOHN 1:29 on our behalf that we may all be FORGIVEN and reconcilled to God. The NEW COVENANT brings an end to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9; HEBREWS 10. JESUS also fulfilled God's LAW perfectly so that we can receive his FORGIVENESS.

    Can you see your error here brother? Only sent in love as a help.
     
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    ROMANS 7:6 has not been dodged brother. It has been addressed in detail you simply chose to ignore these posts and did not address anything in them eccept to provide your own words over God's WORD. Detailed respons to ROMANS 7:6 can be found in the following links..

    Romans 7:6 Part 1 linked click me.
    Romans 7:6 Part 2 linked click me.
    Romans 7:6 Part 3 linked click me.
    Romans 7:6 Part 4 linked click me.

    The linked posts above show the CONTEXT you leave out of ROMANS 7:6 and your errors of interpretation of this scriptures. Sorry brother your claims are false ones as already addressed to you by God's WORD in previous posts.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    What are your claims in GALATIANS 4 and 5? Nothing has been dodged whatsoever. All your posts and claims have been addressed section by section and scripture by scriptures showing the contect you leave out and your errors of interpretation. These are God's WORD brother not mine only sent in love as a help to you.

    May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.
     
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    Not at all. You have only been provided God's WORD sent only in LOVE as a help to you. It is God's WORD not mine brother and it disagrees with you.
     
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    Well that one is not true. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear brother.

    The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the old Covenant. No more animal sacricfices, sin offerings, ceremonial laws and Levitical Priesthood from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always had in the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

    JEREMIAH 31:34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ.

    No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an end to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.
    Sadly that also has no truth in it. I have posted the the COMPLETE context in the past posts of JEREMIAH 31:31-34 and HEBREWS 8:7-13. Depending on the posts and the statements made only the relevant sections of the scriptures are provided. Your false claims are becoming tiresome.

    Your not responding to what you are quoting from.

    JEREMIAH 31:31-34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided to you already. In fact this scripture has been provided to you with many NEW COVENANT references in HEBREWS 8:10-12. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, that says I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments are both the SPOKEN WORD of GOD and the WORK of GOD alone that God's WORD says is FOREVER...

    EXODUS 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him on mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD.

    EXODUS 20:1-17 And GOD SPOKE ALL THESE WORDS SAYING.......

    EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD GRAVEN ON THE TABLES.

    Whatever God does is FOREVER. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the WORK AND WRITING OF GOD ALONE *EXODUS 32:26 as well as the SPOKEN WORD OF GOD which is FOREVER...

    Work (writing on stone) of God *EXODUS 31:18....

    ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

    Spoken by God *EXODUS 20:1-17

    ISAIAH 40:8, The grass wither, the flower fades: BUT THE WORD OF OUR GOD SHALL STAND FOREVER.

    LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY

    1 PETER 1:23...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through THE WORD OF GOD WHICH LIVES AND ABIDES FOREVER ...

    God's LAW (10 commandments) are both the SPOKEN WORD of GOD and the WORK of GOD which God's WORD says are FOREVER.

    MATTHEW 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle [a tiny mark in the original spelling of a word] will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

    LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Ignoring God's WORD without addressing the posts and scriptures that disagree with you does not make God's WORD disappear. Once again your simply ignoring God's WORD without addressing the post. These are God's WORD not mine brother. Your simply repeating yourself without addressing any of the scriptures in God's WORD that disagree with you.

    If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERANAL LAWS (10 commandments) of the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

    The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 were written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 under God's direction point to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26.

    The NEW COVENANT brings an and to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. We now have a better Mediator -CHRSIT.

    Only sent in LOVE brother as a help.
     
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    Hmm only more of your words over God's WORD without addressing anything in the post and the scriptures provided that disagree with you. Please respond to the post and the sciptures in them. These are God's WORD brother not mine and they disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

    Your claims that JESUS is not the GOD of creation is a false one as shown through the scriptures already that you choose to ignore.

    JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE GOD OF CREATION

    JOHN 1:1-4; 10; 14
    [1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
    [2], The same was in the beginning with God.
    [3], ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
    [4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    [10], He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
    [14], And THE WORD BECAME FLESH [JESUS], and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    HEBREWS 11:3 [3], Through faith we understand THAT THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    COLOSSIANS 1:14-20
    [14], In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    [15], Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    [16], FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    [17], And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    [18], And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
    [19], For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
    [20], And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things to himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    HEBREWS 1:2-3
    [2], Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM HE MADE THE WORLDS;
    [3], Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

    HEBREWS 1:8-12
    [8], BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE. O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
    [9], You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
    [10], AND YOU LORD IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.

    1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 [6], But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND WE BY HIM.

    HEBREWS 3:1-4
    [1], Why, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
    [2], Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
    [3], For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as HE WHO HAS BUILT THE HOUSE HAS MORE HONOR THEN THE HOUSE.
    [4], For every house is built by some man; BUT HE THAT BUILT ALL THINGS IS GOD.

    EPHESIANS 3:9 [9], And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST.

    Some in the last days will not BELIEVE JESUS is the WORD of GOD and the Creator of HEAVEN and EARTH...

    2 PETER 3:5-7
    [5], For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    [6], Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    [7], But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    INDEED the creator of HEAVEN and earth is JESUS whos throne is with God as shown through God's WORD.

    HEBERWS 1:8
    BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom

    REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I OVERCAME AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE.

    HEBREWS 1:3
    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER when he had by himself purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH:

    HEBREWS 10:12
    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I am sure those who hear God's Voice will hear his voice (the WORD). You provide your own words over God's WORD without addressing the scriptures in the posts that disagree with you.

    God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT scriptures do not teach lawlessness.WE are saved by grace from sin, not to continue in SIN. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW GOD *1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 3:9 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27.*MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20.

    The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

    It is because we do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42 that we need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT.

    Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 does not commit SIN *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10.

    This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12.May God help you as you seek him through his WORD. Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. He that has ears let him hear.

    God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)
     
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    To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to stand GUILTY BEFORE GOD of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19-20. When we are FORGIVEN by FAITH in CHRIST'S WORD we are not longer UNDER the LAW guilty of sin because we have been FORGIVEN. There is no scripture that says God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) is unemployed. GOD'S WORD in the NEW COVENANT says that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) has the same role it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (under the law) *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:19-20.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
     
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    No it doesn't.

    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    It talks about those under the law. It doesn't say anything about violators of the law.

    Verse 20 says very clearly "by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight..." You promote we're justified by our deeds of the law in that a violation is noncompliance. That is directly opposed to the verse. Anyone can easily see your double talk.
    I can't accept that because the fact is if you're under the law upon violation you're under it without violation. The only difference is guilt, not position.
    Can't you read? I posted -

    Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
    No this was covered in my response to your long Rom 6 post you claim I didn't respond to. My response is here - Why is the day of worship controversial?
    I never saw a response to my comments. What I did see was a re-post of yours I responded to in detail. If you have such a post, please provide a link.
    You say this often. You seem to think that makes it true. The thing for me is I can't violate something I'm not subject to. As a Christian I'm not subject to the covenant law made with Israel. You can say the sabbath was created on the 7th day of creation. But I can't find any evidence of the sabbath in Genesis. In the famous 10 the word wherefore and therefore appears. These are reasons God gave for keeping the sabbath which didn't appear until departure from Egypt in Ex 16. Furthermore the sabbath is given only to Israel for a sign of the covenant - Ex 31:13, 17 which you don't accept as truth.
    You need to read this passage and consider what Ex 20"8-11 says. The law and what you're trying to use against me condemn you since you claim to follow the law and don't.
    Only because you refuse to believe what the Scripture actually says and how it affects the sabbath. In the New Covenant there's no requirement to keep the 7th day sabbath or any other holy day.
     
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    Your confused dear brother. ROMANS 3:20 does not delete ROMANS 3:9-19. Read the scriptures your quoting from and the chapter CONTEXT your leaving out again.

    ROMANS 3:19 NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

    What is the CONTEXT of v19?

    ROMANS 3:9-18
    [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL (Jew and Gentile) UNDER SIN;
    [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE (Jew and Gentile) RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE:
    [11], There is none (Jew and Gentile) that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
    [12], They are all (Jew and Gentile) gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none (Jew and Gentile) that does good, no, not one (Jew and Gentile).
    [13], Their throat (Jew and Gentile) is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    [14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness (Jew and Gentile):
    [15], Their feet (Jew and Gentile) are swift to shed blood:
    [16], Destruction and misery are in their ways (Jew and Gentile):
    [17], And the way of peace have they (Jew and Gentile) not known:
    [18], There is no fear of God before their eyes (Jew and Gentile).
    [19] NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH (Jew and Gentile) MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD (Jew and Gentile) MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
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    How can you be "UNDER THE LAW" *ROMANS 3:19 if your not guilty of breaking it? ROMANS 3:9-19 has already shown that ALL (JEW and GENTILES) are all under SIN all have broken God's LAW and stand guilty before God.
    Yes I read what you posted that is why I asked you where does it say in God's WORD that God's 10 Commandments is unemployed. I will ask you again where in God's WORD does it say God's 10 commandments is unemployed? It doesn't. God's WORD says that God's LAW (10 Commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's LAW (10 commandments) gives us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken and leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith. When we are FORGIVEN by FAITH we are no longer UNDER THE LAW guilty before God of breaking it *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 3:9-20.
    As posted earlier. GOD'S WORD in the NEW COVENANT says that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) has the same role it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (under the law) *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:19-20.

    You did not respond to my post on ROMANS 6 you simply quoted it without responding to the post or the scriptures in the post that disagree with you. You did not see a comment from me because you did not address the post or the scriptures in the post that disagree with you.
    Sorry brother these are God's WORD not mine. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. GENESIS 2:1-3 was when God made the SABBATH for mankind MARK 2:27. Your confused. BEFORE the written WORD there was the Spoken Word of God your just repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you. Happy to re-post the scriptures again just let me know?
    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

    Hope this helps
     
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    Where did I say verse 20 deletes verses 3-19? Please quote me.
    To whom does the law speak? Is it to the guilty? or those under it? Violating the law only activates its curse. If one is in compliance with the law to avoid its curse they are under or controlled by the law. That's why the phrase "under the law" is used. The phrase implies control.
    What does your quote say? I read - "we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL (Jew and Gentile) UNDER SIN;"

    I don't read - we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL (Jew and Gentile) UNDER the law;

    Your quote of the rest is only to slip in condemnation and testifies against you.

    [13], Their throat (Jew and Gentile) is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    [14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness (Jew and Gentile):
    [15], Their feet (Jew and Gentile) are swift to shed blood:
    [16], Destruction and misery are in their ways (Jew and Gentile):
    [17], And the way of peace have they (Jew and Gentile) not known:
    [18], There is no fear of God before their eyes (Jew and Gentile).
    [19] NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH (Jew and Gentile) MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD (Jew and Gentile) MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

    This describes you to a "T". It's you that claims to be under the law and if you're a Christian you're now delivered from the law. If you don't want that freedom, don't go trying to force that bondage down other people's throats.

    What you're saying is opposed to Rom 7:6 and much more as I've posted. You make fools out of the NT authors. They can't be divinely inspired and full of double speak (lies) at the same time.
     
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    Simply because you're controlled by it. You're only subject to its curse upon violation.
    It's impossible to communicate with you.

    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    Did the school master do its job for those who've come to Christ? Yes or No. If yes the school master no longer serves any purpose. Since the school master is no longer serving, he's unemployed. You're problem is your demand of certain words be used to support a legal argument. I've proved my point and it would stand the test of any honest court or for any honest person.
    I've no issue with God's law being eternal. I don't believe the law is annihilated as you project on me. However the Scripture says -

    Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    This is the law we're fussing about. We're not fussing about God's eternal law you sub in for the covenant law given in the desert after departure from Sinai. This covenant law wasn't given nor intended for the whole world as evidenced in the Book of the Law.
    Why do you misrepresent me and the record that bears witness against you? I even linked the post. Here it is one more time - Why is the day of worship controversial?
    Anyone can see I responded in detail to that post which can be linked from my response. You responded to it with a re-post and links to your previous post. I ask you once more how many commandments do you claim are written on stone tablets? Don't you say something about unrepentant and wilful sin? why doesn't that apply to you?
    See, you just mentioned did it again - "If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)." This condemns you by your own words of the post I quote in this response.

    There's nothing in the NT requiring nor mentioning becoming part of Israel. The Christian is a fellow citizen with the saints, not Israel. Eph 2:19

    Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    Israel isn't known for being saints.
    Now you're on to something good. I quote you again - "because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23." That does line up with The Gospel. You however demand we're to serve the law and not Jesus and abide by His words.
    My position lines up with your well known reference to 1 Jn 3:4 because the law was added due to sin as Gal 3:19 says. It also says that law was limited to the confines of specific time.
    So why aren't you in compliance with it? Doesn't your regular violation of it make you guilty before God? You seem to believe it doesn't. Why?
    So is your unbiblical version of the 4th commandment. So in trying to condemn me, you condemn yourself.
    Only because you refuse to believe the Scripture and its intent. You're foolishly looking for and demanding specific words so you can be perfect in your eyes earning the right to eat from the tree of life. Wages are death. The gift even you spoke about is free. That means it can't be earned and isn't a reward for performance. If so it isn't a free gift. The word gift doesn't imply obligation.
     
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  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that statement has no truth in it. You did not answer the question asked of you again and did not address the scriptures posted that disagree with you which was. How can you be "UNDER THE LAW" *ROMANS 3:19 if your not guilty of breaking it? ROMANS 3:9-19 has already shown that ALL (JEW and GENTILES) are all under SIN, all have broken God's LAW and stand guilty before God.

    Where does it say God's LAW (10 commandments) controls you? The role of God's LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is SIN that controls us not God's LAW (10 commandments). It is God's LAW that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when we break God's Commandments *ROMANS 3:20; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

    Hope this helps.
     
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