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No Jn 1 doesn't say Jesus is the Creator. I used to think that until I read Revelation. The Lamb and Lion of Judah, Jesus Christ the Righteous doesn't sit on the throne in Revelation 4. Jesus receives the Book from Him, Who sits on the throne. You can't get around that and prove by your post you don't believe Revelation. This also makes and idiot out of John. It's no small wonder why the lost say Christians are fools. So your point is mute on all counts.All things were made by Who? God. Yes Jesus was present at and during creation noted by "...Let us make man in our image..." in Gen 1:26. Who is speaking in Gen 1:28? Isn't it the same Entity Who took Israel to wife and divorced her? That isn't Jesus' wife because the Bride of Jesus is the Church which is clearly not Israel, physical or spiritual. Do you see where this could really go?
I also could talk about verse 2 you quote above. Who was with God? Since verse 2 is speaking about God the Father because the Word was with God verse 3 is still about God the Father and not Who was with Him. That lines up perfectly with Rev 4:11. Yes God spoke the universe into being. The word used here is "rhēma" not "logos." So what you're really doing is locating similar English phrases with a concordance and saying they're the same. When I consider that you're arguing because of unbelief based on deception.Here again you pit the Bible against itself. Yes I understand your light reading of the above passage. You refuse to admit Rev 4 and 5 are true and indeed written by a very confused author John. I don't believe you believe the Scripture are really inspired. Neither would an unregenerate person. They would rightly dismiss you as an idiot and reject Jesus.Here you're arguing agency not the responsible Entity. I already admitted Jesus was present and participated in creation with Gen 1:28. That however doesn't negate Rev 4:11-5:7.Can't be the same throne if God sits on the throne. Is God the Father some where else or surrendering His throne? You're not reading verse 13 - "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?"This isn't a reference to creation.So you've got a problem by thinking this contradicts Rev 4:11-5:7.Who did what? I read God (the Father) created all things thru the agency of Jesus Christ. What you're saying here is similar to factory workers being the creators of something the company gets credit for. If it weren't for the company the factory workers would not be doing anything. So in that case who is the creator of the manufactured product?I noticed what you said here. Did you? or are you just being sloppy?For sure.
Brother your only pitting your own words against God's WORD. Your throne argument has no truth in it as God's WORD says that JESUS has his own throne at the right hand of GOD and he is the creator of Heaven and earth.
HEBERWS 1:8
BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom
REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I OVERCAME AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE.
HEBREWS 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER when he had by himself purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH:
HEBREWS 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
Mk 2:27-28 makes no claim Jesus is the Creator of the sabbath. Nor does make the claim Christians or anyone else is required to keep the sabbath which you don't any way.
JESUS is the LORD of the SABBATH that he is the CREATOR of that he made for all MANKIND.
MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE GOD OF CREATION
JOHN 1:1-4; 10; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
[4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[10], He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
[14], And THE WORD BECAME FLESH [JESUS], and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
HEBREWS 11:3 [3], Through faith we understand THAT THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
COLOSSIANS 1:14-20
[14], In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15], Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16], FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17], And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[18], And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[19], For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
[20], And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things to himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
HEBREWS 1:2-3
[2], Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM HE MADE THE WORLDS;
[3], Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
HEBREWS 1:8-12
[8], BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE. O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
[9], You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
[10], AND YOU LORD IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.
1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 [6], But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND WE BY HIM.
HEBREWS 3:1-4
[1], Why, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2], Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3], For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as HE WHO HAS BUILT THE HOUSE HAS MORE HONOR THEN THE HOUSE.
[4], For every house is built by some man; BUT HE THAT BUILT ALL THINGS IS GOD.
EPHESIANS 3:9 [9], And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST.
Some in the last days will not BELIEVE JESUS is the WORD of GOD and the Creator of HEAVEN and EARTH...
2 PETER 3:5-7
[5], For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6], Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7], But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Hope this helps.
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