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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Jun 25, 2018.

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Brother your only pitting your own words against God's WORD. Your throne argument has no truth in it as God's WORD says that JESUS has his own throne at the right hand of GOD and he is the creator of Heaven and earth.

    HEBERWS 1:8
    BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom

    REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I OVERCAME AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE.

    HEBREWS 1:3
    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER when he had by himself purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH:

    HEBREWS 10:12
    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.

    JESUS is the LORD of the SABBATH that he is the CREATOR of that he made for all MANKIND.

    MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

    JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE GOD OF CREATION

    JOHN 1:1-4; 10; 14
    [1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
    [2], The same was in the beginning with God.
    [3], ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
    [4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    [10], He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
    [14], And THE WORD BECAME FLESH [JESUS], and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    HEBREWS 11:3 [3], Through faith we understand THAT THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    COLOSSIANS 1:14-20
    [14], In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    [15], Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    [16], FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    [17], And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    [18], And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
    [19], For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
    [20], And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things to himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    HEBREWS 1:2-3
    [2], Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM HE MADE THE WORLDS;
    [3], Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

    HEBREWS 1:8-12
    [8], BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE. O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
    [9], You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
    [10], AND YOU LORD IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.

    1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 [6], But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND WE BY HIM.

    HEBREWS 3:1-4
    [1], Why, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
    [2], Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
    [3], For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as HE WHO HAS BUILT THE HOUSE HAS MORE HONOR THEN THE HOUSE.
    [4], For every house is built by some man; BUT HE THAT BUILT ALL THINGS IS GOD.

    EPHESIANS 3:9 [9], And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST.

    Some in the last days will not BELIEVE JESUS is the WORD of GOD and the Creator of HEAVEN and EARTH...

    2 PETER 3:5-7
    [5], For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    [6], Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    [7], But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Brother your interpretation of the scriptures here is in error and your not repsonding to what your quoting from. God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT scriptures do not teach lawlessness. WE are saved by grace from sin, not to continue in SIN. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW GOD *1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 3:9 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

    *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20. The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.

    This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

    It is because we do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42 that we need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT. Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 does not commit SIN *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

    1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    May God help you as you seek him through his WORD. Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. He that has ears let him hear.

    God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)
     
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  3. ace of hearts

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    Yes it's full of truth. I'm not parsing (explaining) your passages. I will and have discussed the concepts (ideas) they and you present through them. That means your interpretation of them.

    On the discussion we're having about the Creator (basis for your law argument) You change the discussion from the throne of God to the throne of Jesus. The fact is Jesus doesn't sit on God's throne. Jesus sits on the right hand of God and His throne backed by the Scripture I've presented to you. The problem you seem to have is a very unhealthy dose of vanity. You won't admit you're wrong at any cost and run from anything anyone else says. That's what your religion teaches you to do. It would take me hours to find the quote.

    So what you repeatedly do is call me a liar with a Scripture reference. Yes you're plainly speaking with a quote from Scripture. No it doesn't condemn me.
     
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    You again start off with a wild and unsupported statement. Perhaps you can quote and explain Jer 31:31-33 in detail skipping nothing, especially verse 32. Instead what you do is make another wild unsupported claim. Who's ignoring God's Word? You've yet to discuss Jer 31:32.
    Here you claim certain aspects (laws) of the covenant are at least suspended against your usual response of Mat 5:17-18. You seem to think people can't read and get lost and drown in you pool of confusion. I say again that Paul and James say it's all the law or none of the law.
    Jer 31:34 may be in harmony with your theology if you separate it from 31:31-33.

    Ex 32:26 is about following Moses. You're using it in that sense and following you. I follow Jesus, Whom you leave out of the picture with your requirement to follow Moses.

    Your concept behind Ecc 3:14 makes Jeremiah a false prophet. I present Jer 31:32 since you especially refuse to deal with it as one example.
    The sabbath, a holy day is a shadow law according to -

    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
     
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    I don't accept your partial dismissal as the full truth. It's all the law or nothing according to Paul and James. Jesus says not a jot nor tittle will disappear until all be fulfilled. Heb 7:12 is proof enough all things have been fulfilled, not to mention the statement of Jesus in LK 24:44. You can dodge Rom 7:6 all you want. You can dodge Gal 4 and 5 all you want.
     
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    What I've been provided is your theology that you try to back with out of context quotes, references and blatant misuse of them to condemn me.
     
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    How many times do I need to address these repeated c&p issues? You can't smother me out of my relationship with God for one with the law.
     
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    That's specifically why I asked you to address the contents of Jer 31:32.
     
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    So call me a liar again.
     
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    No it doesn't, You refuse to discuss Jer 31:32.
    Yes you provide many incomplete and out of context passages. Your reference, Heb 8:10-12 is a partial quote of Jer 31:31-34. You expect people to not notice this.
    I've already covered Ex 32:26 and Ecc 3:14 more than once. You only respond that I'm dismissing them and your idea. The fact is I've dismissed your idea showing your conflict with Jer 31:31-33.
    Your idea is in direct conflict with Jer 31:31-33.
    These are the Words of Jesus, not the law nor anything Moses presented as from God.
    You're only trying to dismiss the New Covenant, thus Jesus. I guess Moses and someone else are delighted you don't believe Jeremiah.
     
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    I guess I should give you an "A" for effort with this repeated clap trap. I just don't get you idea I'm ignorant for not accepting it.
     
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    Sorry but your complete post I quote was - "Sadly, I did."
     
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    Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    The law (OC) is unemployed.
     
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    You're pitting John against himself and introducing things not covered in Rev 4 and 5 to deny what it says to promote false doctrine.
     
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    I've no idea why you continue to post this kind of stuff. It's obvious you're ignoring anything I say. That's OK because the readers read what I posted.
    Neither do I.
    So you claim I'm not born again because I don't submit to the law, specifically the sabbath. This is what your religion teaches. It's not what the Scripture teaches.
    IOW if I don't keep your version of the sabbath I'm not saved. When it comes to Scripture you're not and never have been in compliance with the 4th commandment. IOW it's you that that is continuing in this UNREPENTANT SIN you keep harping on.
    Your righteousness can't exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees using the same law. You've got a problem.
    This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4. Which you don't believe.
    1 Jn 3:3-10 isn't talking about law keepers.
    Yes the sheep hear the voice of the Shepard. That's why I don't listen to you.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Not at all brother. You have been provided God's WORD not my word's. In response you provide your own words so your argument is not with me but with God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
     
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    Your have been provided God's WORD brother they are not my words but God's. Your reposnse is to argue that the scriptures are not true so once again your argument is with God not me as they are not my words. The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 are fullfilled in CHRIST as they pointed to JESUS and GOD's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. This is why we no longer have animal sacrifices and sin offerings as spoken by JOHN the BAPTIST in *JOHN 1:29. The SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS are fulfilled in God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

    God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) however under the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always had as the scriptures show they are ETERNAL and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNONW UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken. Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

    Hope this helps
     
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    Hmm well that statement has no truth in it. You have been provided God's WORD not my word's. In response you provide your own words so your argument is not with me but with God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. All your posts and scriptures you have provided have been responded to section by section and scripture by scripture showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures. You simply provide your own words with no proof and avoid addressing the posts and the scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.
     
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    Your only repeating yourself again here brother without addressing anything in the posts you are quoting from. There has been some posts that have been reposted because you have not addressed them. They are God's WORD not mine. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.
     
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    Your post has been addressed multiple times already with God's WORD. Your response is to ignore the post and the scriptures in them. Theses are God's WORD not mine brother. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

    The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the old Covenant. No more animal sacricfices, sin offerings, ceremonial laws and Levitical Priesthood from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always had in the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

    JEREMIAH 31:34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ.

    No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an end to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

    Hope this helps.
     
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