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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Jun 25, 2018.

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that is not true...

    HEBREWS 4:9 [9], There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.

    GREEK 4520. σαββατισμός sabbatismŏs, sab-bat-is-mos´; from a der. of 4521; a “sabbatism” Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 64). Bellingham. The GREEK Word used here is Gr. "sabbatismos", a Sabbath rest, a rest from all work (Heb. 4:9; R.V., “sabbath”), a rest like that of God when he had finished the work of creation. Easton, M. G. (1893). In Easton’s Bible dictionary. New York: Harper & Brothers.

    So the question then is what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 4:9...

    HEBREWS 4:3-5, [3], For we who have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day in this way, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5], And in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.

    The above is a reference to Genesis 2:1-3...

    GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    There you have it. We are talking about the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath rest.
    The overall focus of Hebrews 4 is that no one enters God's Sabbath rest if they do not enter his gospel rest.


    Hope this helps.
     
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  2. Anderseric

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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Where does it say in Romans 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? Romans 14 does not even mention God's 4th commandment or does it say God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?
     
  4. Anderseric

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    I have looked and cannot find any Scriptures to contradict you. If Paul and the Apostles always kept the Sabbath's, I think we should consider doing the same. Thank you for the question.
     
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  5. Ken Rank

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    That depends on the lens through which you read Scripture. If you believe God changes, that everlasting doesn't mean everlasting, and that English only is a good means of study, then sure, I would agree with you. I began to keep the Sabbath and the feasts because of Romans and Hebrews and because I began to align what was being said to the OT where quoted, factor in that context, look at the underlying language... roll it back into Hebrew since Hebrews was most certainly written in Hebrew, and so forth. :)

    We live in a culture that defines 2000 year old letters in modern terms, using modern cultural understanding, and thinks that context is the verse before and after. No wonder the church promotes no law (lawless) when the NT repeatedly warns against lawlessness.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    God bless you Anderseric. Do not take anyones Word here (mine included). Take it to God alone in prayer and seek him through his Word claiming the promises of John 14:26; John 16:13, John 7:17 and John 8:31-32. Only God's Word is true and it is a light unto our path and a lamp unto our feet. God's sheep here his voice (the Word)

    God bless
     
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  7. συνείδησις

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    The word day is not in Hebrews 4:4. It was added by translators. That it does not refer to the weekly sabbath, but to the number seven, which symbolizes rest, is evident by the fact that the writer of Hebrews used two examples of scripture (Genesis 2:2 and Psalms 95:11) that have nothing to do with the weekly sabbath in order to make his point - "For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh in this way: "And God did rest the seventh day from all his works" (Genesis 2:2), and in this place again, "They shall not enter into my rest." (psalm 95:11)
     
  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Your point weather the word day is used or not in v4 is irrelavent. The context is the rest from the creation of the world referenced in Hebrews 4:3 to Genesis 2:1-3 which is talking about the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH rest.

    Sorry συνείδησις, which ever way you wish to spin it God's Word disagrees with you. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4:2 make it very clear why God's people did not enter his rest previously. It was because of unbelief in God's WORD and sin. So you cannot enter God's Sabbath rest without first entering the gospel rest.

    Hope this helps.
     
  9. jalvarez4Jesus

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    1. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Ephesians 2:15 KJV).

    2. Sabbath basically means "rest" in Exodus 16:23, which says, "To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD". Jesus said of himself, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 18:28-30).

    3. I got a better one for you, the first day of rest ever commanded to anyone in the Bible was on the first day of the week, "And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you." (Exodus 12:16).

    4. See above. "an HOLY convocation"

    5. See above.

    6. He didn't, because he had to fulfill the law of Moses in order to "abolish" it on the cross (see #1).

    7. "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." (Mark 16:9). "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7). "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). The apostle Paul preached a sermon to a congregation of believers on the "first day of the week" and told the saints in Corinth to have the "collection" "upon the first day of the week". The only possible reason for this day being chosen for those things, is because their Lord and Saviour was risen on "the first day of the week". Paul also said, "Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me." (1 Corinthians 4:16). Since Paul preached to a local church (congregation) and taught that the collection ought to be done on the first day of the week, we ought to follow him in gathering with the saints to hear preaching and offering collection on the first day of the week.

    8. See #3.

    9. None did. They didn't even keep the seventh day as a sabbath anywhere in the New Testament.

    10. None. In fact, they said the sabbath wasn't for today, but for later on (i.e. in the Millennial Kingdom) in Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

    11. Nowhere. Neither is any Christian told to rest on the seventh day of the week.

    12. See #10.

    13. Um, this is the exact same question as #1, which I answered.

    14. See #10.

    15. It never was. Neither was the seventh day ever called "the Lord's day" in the Bible. The Lord's day (Rev. 1:10) is the day of the Lord, just as Bob's car is the car of Bob. It has absolutely nothing to do with any 24-hour sabbath day.

    16. See #15.

    17. See #10.

    18. See #6.

    19. See #10.

    20. Well, the seventh day sabbath is Jewish. The Bible may not have the exact title, you're looking for, but it comes close enough when it says, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:16-17).

    21. None, neither is there of the seventh day in the New Testament.

    22. See #10.

    23. See #10.

    24. This is the exact question as #22. See #10.

    25. See #10.

    26. See #10.

    27. See #10.

    Also, we don't need to keep the sabbath to fulfill the law of God. We can fulfill the whole law by loving our neighbor as ourselves, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10). There is an "other commandment" not listed by Paul (keep the sabbath), and he said that it is comprehended in loving your neighbor as yourself. I don't need to KEEP the sabbath day to fulfill the law, love is the fulfilling of the law.
     
  10. Anderseric

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    I have to agree with Ken. When I stopped reading the Scriptures from a Western, linear and Greek perspective, I saw how man easily changed the Word of God. If we read from a Hebrew and circular perspective as Jesus did, it is very hard not to hear the Shema in both the Old and the New. Opps, from a Hebrew perspective, there is no Old and New. The Law and Prophets work seamlessly together.
     
  11. συνείδησις

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    Saying there is no old and new subverts the new.
     
  12. LoricaLady

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    Allow me to repeat myself: Blessings and byeeee!
     
  13. συνείδησις

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    Again, Psalm 95:11 has nothing to do with a weekly sabbath for it refers to rest for Israel in the land of Canaan. Also, Genesis 2:2 refers to GOD's eternal rest. So Hebrews 4:4 has nothing to do with the weekly sabbath, but is referring to GOD's eternal rest (which the land of Canaan was a type and shadow).
     
  14. Anderseric

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    Well, I would say the new reinforces the old if you want to use that language. The prophesies are not old, they are timeless. To "love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength is not old", Deut.6:5. See Mark 12:29-31 to compare. To "love" did not change. At least, that is what I read without man's traditions getting in the way.
     
  15. LoricaLady

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    I can't say about the people here, but I do feel sure that many get on Christian boards not to be supportive of the Scriptures, but to attack them in subtle, and not so subtle, ways. That is why I do not have the patience you have in debating. I'm glad you have it, though.

    When presenting scientific facts to evolution believers. i have seen the same denial of obvious truths (which, again, I was guilty of myself in the past about the Sabbath), the same weakness in research, the same evasion when asked simple questions, and the same sometimes deliberate twist and spin. The difference is that the evolution believers are generally not distorting the Scriptures, which is far more serious and saddening than distorting scientific data.
     
  16. JeremyTheAnglercan

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    Is the debate whether we should still be keeping the Sabbath at all, or whether Sunday can be the Sabbath?
     
  17. Acts2:38

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    If someone is going to jump into a conversation, then it might be prudent to see the very beginning of the conversations start.

    You missed vital information.

    This is what I previously said:

    So, I am curious. Why did you think that I would say otherwise?

    Did you mean to post to someone else?
     
  18. συνείδησις

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    Some people believe, but have no faith. The just live from faith; the law is not from faith.

    Now it is clear that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law, because “the one who is righteous will live from faith.” But the law is not from faith, but “the one who does these things will live in them.” Galatians 3:11-12
     
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    I suppose that this would be the root at which needs to be addressed.

    The OT made MANY predictions/prophecies that this would happen.

    So I agree God doesn't change, God in fact placed it in the OT as something that would happen when Christ would come.

    So, there is only a lens for people that wish to change things up according to their own desires. I read it for what it is and what is says straight up.

    As far as how to study, do you think that God would only give the bible to people that understand Greek?

    Is the bible only for the rich and educated?

    I am not saying that I don't study the Greek words (because people like to twist scripture it makes it easier to refute them with the original Greek), however one does not need the Greek words to know what the scriptures say. God has made means of people out there in the world that can translate for people that do not have the means.

    Did you also know that the bible is written in the 6-12 grade reading level pending on the version (kjv,asv,esv,etc)?

    It's really not that hard to understand, people make it hard with their own desires/wishes.
     
  20. Acts2:38

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    Hey, its okay.

    I put forth scripture for you and you could not do the same for me. That says volumes.

    I hope your week and weekend finds you safe, healthy, and diligently seeking Christ.
     
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