Rize,
I was pre-wrath for 8 years. I do have Marvin ROsenthal and Robert Kampen too. Both made many good points. However, I disagree with them.
True, we do not know the exactly day and hour - Matt 24:36. Impossible we will count 1260 or 1290 or 1335 days countdown till the Second Advent.
Matt 24:22 tells us, our days shall be cut short. Means Thosands of Christians will be killed during persecutions. Matt 24:22 is not talking about the length timeof Great Tribulation till the coming of Christ. It is talking about Christians' live will be killed by persecutions under Antichrist. You have to read context start with Matt 24:15-22 is talking about horrible persecutions.
Matt 24:22 have do nothing with the length time of Great Tribulation till Second Advent. It is talking about Christians' life shall be cut off short by killed from persecutions.
No Christians will know the exactly date when Christ comes, we must be watch and be ready - Matt 24:42 & 44.
I don't see two phases of Second Advent in the Bible.
I can see there is only ONE coming at the end of Tribulation.
Pariousia in Greek means to be present, to arrived. I have no problem with it. Pariousia is same as coming and advent too.
I did looked at Kampen's chart of timeline at the end of the book. It looks so COMPLEX.
I disagree with his charts.
I used to believe same thing as what Rosenthal and Kampen believes on the chart.
First, I was pretrib. Then became pre-wrath for 8 years. Then now, I am completed posttrib just over 2 years ago.
We will NEVER suffer the wrath of God.
The lesson of Egypt. Israelites was protected while the plaques fallen down upon Egytians same time. Same thing what God will do with the Christians during Great Tribulation.
I respect Ronsethal and Kampen very well. I have nothing against them. Because both were pretrib before. Both believe we will face persecutions under Antichrist.
Many pretribbers openly as public attack against Rosenthal and Kampen. Even with Dr. Ice Thomas attacks against Rosenthal too.
Eschatology have do nothing with salvation.
We all agree Jesus came to earth as virgin birth. Christ died on the cross for our sins. Christ risen from the dead. Christ is coming again!
That is fundamental doctrine, that we all agree on Jesus Christ.
Later tonight, I will discuss more on pre-wrath.
I urge you please go to www.posttrib.net - 'message board'(discussion forum) there lot of discussion on pre-wrath and rapture timing. I would like you to read them.
Later tonight, I will continue discuss on pre-wrath more.
Have a nice day!
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
I was pre-wrath for 8 years. I do have Marvin ROsenthal and Robert Kampen too. Both made many good points. However, I disagree with them.
True, we do not know the exactly day and hour - Matt 24:36. Impossible we will count 1260 or 1290 or 1335 days countdown till the Second Advent.
Matt 24:22 tells us, our days shall be cut short. Means Thosands of Christians will be killed during persecutions. Matt 24:22 is not talking about the length timeof Great Tribulation till the coming of Christ. It is talking about Christians' live will be killed by persecutions under Antichrist. You have to read context start with Matt 24:15-22 is talking about horrible persecutions.
Matt 24:22 have do nothing with the length time of Great Tribulation till Second Advent. It is talking about Christians' life shall be cut off short by killed from persecutions.
No Christians will know the exactly date when Christ comes, we must be watch and be ready - Matt 24:42 & 44.
I don't see two phases of Second Advent in the Bible.
I can see there is only ONE coming at the end of Tribulation.
Pariousia in Greek means to be present, to arrived. I have no problem with it. Pariousia is same as coming and advent too.
I did looked at Kampen's chart of timeline at the end of the book. It looks so COMPLEX.
I disagree with his charts.
I used to believe same thing as what Rosenthal and Kampen believes on the chart.
First, I was pretrib. Then became pre-wrath for 8 years. Then now, I am completed posttrib just over 2 years ago.
We will NEVER suffer the wrath of God.
The lesson of Egypt. Israelites was protected while the plaques fallen down upon Egytians same time. Same thing what God will do with the Christians during Great Tribulation.
I respect Ronsethal and Kampen very well. I have nothing against them. Because both were pretrib before. Both believe we will face persecutions under Antichrist.
Many pretribbers openly as public attack against Rosenthal and Kampen. Even with Dr. Ice Thomas attacks against Rosenthal too.
Eschatology have do nothing with salvation.
We all agree Jesus came to earth as virgin birth. Christ died on the cross for our sins. Christ risen from the dead. Christ is coming again!
That is fundamental doctrine, that we all agree on Jesus Christ.
Later tonight, I will discuss more on pre-wrath.
I urge you please go to www.posttrib.net - 'message board'(discussion forum) there lot of discussion on pre-wrath and rapture timing. I would like you to read them.
Later tonight, I will continue discuss on pre-wrath more.
Have a nice day!
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
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