The Return of My Apple Challenge

[FishFace]

Omphalos is embedded history --- not embedded age.

I like how you say this over and over, but never ever deign to tell us the difference.

EDIT: no I don't, it's bloody annoying.

 

[FishFace]

He was one day old but he was aged. I guess that makes sense to you if to no one else. Was this age created sort of like the way forgers use various tricks to falsely age fake antiques?

Don't forget his niece! She can "understand" it too, apparently! (Of course, it couldn't be that she's been indoctrinated to regurgitate it on demand...)

 

[FishFace]

He probably felt as good as anyone can possibly feel.

• No tooth decay.
• No poor eyesight.
• No high blood pressure.
• No acne
• No nothing.

This is how we are going to be, when we get our glorified bodies.

And boinking away on our flying thrones? Oh, wait, that's dad, sorry, got you confused.

 

[thaumaturgy]

No, it's not in my court, Thaumaturgy.

He knows how you guys will react, should He make a grand appearance:

No, you misunderstood, AV. It is in your court because YOU are the one who wants God included in the equation.

God can do whatever God wants to. That has no bearing here. It isn't God's point I'm debating. I'm debating your point.

YOU want scientists to accept God, but you can't tell us where to look for God such that we will all be able to use this amazing hypothesis.

So, maybe you need to take it up with God to help you, but remember, in logic (presumably God is familiar with this concept) it is never incumbent upon us to prove the negative.

It is always incumbent upon you to prove God's existence.

That's all I'm saying. If you can't do that then it is your fault, not ours.

I suggest you keep looking. Until that time we "Scientots" will be busy doing our job and helping you.

Remember, science never witholds its gifts because you don't believe in it. Science is for everyone with equal benevolence. It cares not if you despise it, it will never leave you behind. You can get its cures and get its benefits even if you actively desire to see it destroyed.

That, my friend, is as close to "Unconditional" as anything can be.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Thank you, sir! It's good to be back!



What I'm saying is: I don't think Adam knew he was 20 years old (or however old he was).

According to the myth he was only 1 to a few days old through the whole thing. That is how old he was. "Embedded age" simply makes no sense at all.

He probably felt as good as anyone can possibly feel.

Except for that missing rib of course.

• No tooth decay.
• No poor eyesight.
• No high blood pressure.
• No acne
• No nothing.

This is how we are going to be, when we get our glorified bodies.

Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. It's already nearly 2,000 years overdue.

 

[tanzanos]

Screw science!

All Hail AV1

(just making sure I will never be put to the stake should the fundamentalists come to power).

 

[AV1611VET]

But of course - the only times God ever actually showed himself were way back when people were superstitious and uneducated, and now he's never going to again.

Superstitious and uneducated? Want to tell us how Aborigines were able to create an aerodynamic device that returns to its sender?

Going back further, want to explain why there were metalurgists mentioned in Genesis 4?

[bible]Genesis 4:22[/bible]

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Superstitious and uneducated? Want to tell us how Aborigines were able to create an aerodynamic device that returns to its sender?

By trial and error. Certainly not because of their intimate understanding of aerodynamics.

Going back further, want to explain why there were metalurgists mentioned in Genesis 4?

[bible]Genesis 4:22[/bible]

Why shouldn't they be, again?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Superstitious and uneducated? Want to tell us how Aborigines were able to create an aerodynamic device that returns to its sender?

Going back further, want to explain why there were metalurgists mentioned in Genesis 4?

[bible]Genesis 4:22[/bible]

common misconception... hunting boomerangs...
A. do NOT return to sender
B. were not exclusive to Australian aboriginies... interestingly, they were found in Tut Ankh Amun's tomb... along with spear throwers and barbed heads, it appears as though bomerang type devices are a common stage of development in neolithic/bronze age hunting equipment

 

[AV1611VET]

common misconception... hunting boomerangs...

And the sports boomerangs?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And the sports boomerangs?

are a much more recent invention... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang

 

[theFijian]

What I'm saying is: I don't think Adam knew he was 20 years old (or however old he was). Just look at someone you don't know and try and guess their age - (it'll aways be a guess - always).

So Adam had embedded age physically, but not mentally, or pscychologically. In that way we would say that Adam was created with embedded age but was psychologically and mentally immature since he had no embedded experience.

He probably felt as good as anyone can possibly feel.

Yes I'm sure he felt tip-top. I was referring more to his mental rather than physical state however, if he was created with embedded age but not embedded history he would not have had embedded maturity would you not agree? Maturity after all comes with experience.

 

[AV1611VET]

So Adam had embedded age physically, but not mentally, or pscychologically. In that way we would say that Adam was created with embedded age but was psychologically and mentally immature since he had no embedded experience.

The year my mother was born was always disputed. The fact that she didn't instictively know what year she was born does not mean she was "psychologically and mentally immature".

Yes I'm sure he felt tip-top. I was referring more to his mental rather than physical state however, if he was created with embedded age but not embedded history he would not have had embedded maturity would you not agree? Maturity after all comes with experience.

But not in Genesis 1, where things were much different. The plants and animals certainly weren't immature.

People today make the mistake of interpreting scientific evidence by a method called (I believe) uniformitarianism.

Uniformitarianism rules out Genesis 1 and miracles.

 

[thaumaturgy]

People today make the mistake of interpreting scientific evidence by a method called (I believe) uniformitarianism.

Actually uniformitarianism isn't some "new fangled" invention. It dates back to the LATE 1700's and James Hutton.

If you want to have a go at uniformitarianism, just let us know when you bother to catch up to the modern world.

Uniformitarianism rules out Genesis 1 and miracles.

No, you just have to show us what a MIRACLE looks like in the rock record.

Again, you Christians have such a simple job and yet you keep wanting US to do it for you!

How lazy can you be???

If you want God in the equation, then give us God. If you want miracles in the earth's history, then just show us what a Miracle looks like.

That's ALL you have to do! Until that time you can't say anything meaningful about God or Miracles in the sciences.

Sheesh! It's so simple! Yet you are so lazy!

 

[thaumaturgy]

And the sports boomerangs?

Now you're arguing with Aussies about Boomerangs?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you just have to show us what a MIRACLE looks like in the rock record.

You wanna see a miracle in the Rock record? Here ya go:

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[bible]1 Corinthians 10:4[/bible]​

 

[LittleNipper]

So he had the "appearance of age"? Omphalos stikes again.

Adam was created an ADULT. There was likely no such a thing as age until after the FALL. The FALL represents the beginning of the end, or the start of the process of decay and death. It is likely Adam look a healthy and robust 30 year old. It is interesting that Adam lived 930 years before he died. We do not know if this age included anytime before sin came into the world , or if the 930 years represents only the time it took Adam to circum to the ravagies of sin in his life....

 

[AV1611VET]

The FALL represents the beginning of the end, or the start of the process of decay and death.

Expressed scientifically this way: ^S[sub]universe[/sub]>0

(I think that's how the formula goes.)

 

[TheOutsider]

Adam was created an ADULT. There was likely no such a thing as age until after the FALL. The FALL represents the beginning of the end, or the start of the process of decay and death. It is likely Adam look a healthy and robust 30 year old. It is interesting that Adam lived 930 years before he died. We do not know if this age included anytime before sin came into the world , or if the 930 years represents only the time it took Adam to circum to the ravagies of sin in his life....

You are just making stuff up now, aren't you?

 

[Loudmouth]

The year my mother was born was always disputed. The fact that she didn't instictively know what year she was born does not mean she was "psychologically and mentally immature".

The features found around the centers of ossification in long bones would allow forensic scientists to judge your mother's age. This is because these features describe a history of growth.

People today make the mistake of interpreting scientific evidence by a method called (I believe) uniformitarianism.

These people are called scientists, and it's not a mistake. It happens to work. When you fly in an airplane are you worried that the laws of aerodynamics will suddenly change? If not, then you live your everyday life with the same assumption that scientists use.

Uniformitarianism rules out Genesis 1 and miracles.

Without evidence there is no reason to think that these miracles even happened.