The Return of My Apple Challenge

[theFijian]

I don't know --- I sure didn't when I was one day old.

Like you say when I was one day old I couldn't do much, I couldn't feed myself, couldn't sit up, couldn't walk, and certainly had no concept of age. But are you saying that Adam couldn't do any of those other things a 1 day old baby can't do?

If Adam could do these things (feed himself, walk, talk to Eve), why would the concept of age be beyond him, and how was he able to do those other things?

 

[AV1611VET]

Like you say when I was one day old I couldn't do much, I couldn't feed myself, couldn't sit up, couldn't walk, and certainly had no concept of age. But are you saying that Adam couldn't do any of those other things a 1 day old baby can't do?

If Adam could do these things (feed himself, walk, talk to Eve), why would the concept of age be beyond him, and how was he able to do those other things?

q.v. Post 220, please.

 

[theFijian]

q.v. Post 220, please.

How did Adam know how to speak to ask God, since he was only 1 day old? (After all he had no notion of the simple concept of age)

 

[thaumaturgy]

No scientot should say "there is no God", at the same time he's saying "we don't have all the evidence for [God, the Flood, Jesus' resurrection, King Arthur, whatever]".

This is one of the major reasons I tell a scientot to "keep looking".

But AV, if we can't find any evidence for God, then surely you don't have any or it would be evaluated and shown to be a positive hit for God.

So, the sword cuts both ways.

Scientists would love to see evidence for God. It would be the most amazing information ever presented to the people of earth. And that evidence would point to one and only one conception of God fully explained and experiential by all observers.

That's called evidence.

So don't blame scientists for NOT finding God, blame yourself for not producing evidence that all can believe and for which there is little if any possible alternative unnatural explanation.

The ball, as they say, is in your court.

 

[FishFace]

I'm seriously laughing so hard I can't breathe. Thanks, I needed that today.

I also had trouble breathing. Less than one bar?!?! Oh... YOU DIDN'T!!

 

[theFijian]

Is AV away on holiday? I would like an answer to my question:

How did Adam know how to speak to ask God, since he was only 1 day old? (After all he had no notion of the simple concept of age)

 

[tanzanos]

Is AV away on holiday? I would like an answer to my question:

Perhaps I can help; Adam knew how to speak because God pre-programed him. Now as to the language used it was English. All creationists know that English is the preferred language of God!

ALL HAIL AV1

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Perhaps I can help; Adam knew how to speak because God pre-programed him. Now as to the language used it was English. All creationists know that English is the preferred language of God!

ALL HAIL AV1

And there’s me thinking welsh was spoken long before English, perhaps welsh was the language of the gods, but that would mean I am one of the chosen people, brilliant I am going to the great valley in the sky, whilst everyone else is going to the not so great vale in Barry.

 

[tanzanos]

And there’s me thinking welsh was spoken long before English, perhaps welsh was the language of the gods, but that would mean I am one of the chosen people, brilliant I am going to the great valley in the sky, whilst everyone else is going to the not so great vale in Barry.

Roedd ei waed y berwi ar ôl clywed y newyddion.

 

[AV1611VET]

The ball, as they say, is in your court.

No, it's not in my court, Thaumaturgy.

He knows how you guys will react, should He make a grand appearance:

[bible]John 12:29[/bible]

Read your Bible; every time God showed up on this earth, He was more or less asked to leave:

• He used to walk with Adam and Eve in the Garden, until sin separated them. [bible]Isaiah 59:2[/bible]
• He used to rule in a Theocracy, until His people asked for a king, instead. [bible]1 Samuel 8:19[/bible]
• He sent His Son --- they crucified Him. [bible]Mark 15:13[/bible]

When He shows up again though, He won't be leaving --- even though some will demand He do so.

[bible]Matthew 21:33-41[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

Is AV away on holiday? I would like an answer to my question:

Adam was created fully-functional, and quite literate; and he was never "only 1 day old".

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Adam was created fully-functional, and quite literate; and he was never "only 1 day old".

So he had the "appearance of age"? Omphalos stikes again.

 

[AV1611VET]

All creationists know that English is the preferred language of God!

Only in writing --- and for today.

 

[AV1611VET]

So he had the "appearance of age"? Omphalos stikes again.

Omphalos is embedded history --- not embedded age.

And Adam had the "appearance of age" because Adam was aged.

 

[AV1611VET]

And there’s me thinking welsh was spoken long before English, perhaps welsh was the language of the gods, but that would mean I am one of the chosen people, brilliant I am going to the great valley in the sky, whilst everyone else is going to the not so great vale in Barry.

I've learned never to call a Scotsman an "Englishman".

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Omphalos is embedded history --- not embedded age.

And Adam had the "appearance of age" because Adam was aged.

He was one day old but he was aged. I guess that makes sense to you if to no one else. Was this age created sort of like the way forgers use various tricks to falsely age fake antiques?

 

[thaumaturgy]

He was one day old but he was aged. I guess that makes sense to you if to no one else.

But Frumy, this is indeed the very core of Christianity. Have you ever tried to actually parse the homoousious concept in the Trinity?

Indeed when you expend enough mental energy to allow Jesus to be simultaneously all human and all God, well then the rest is a piece of cake!

 

[theFijian]

AV, glad to have you back.

Adam was created fully-functional, and quite literate;

So he was created fully functioning, except for the concept of age as you said. Why would God not have given him this concept along with the other abilities?

Would Adam have been created with embedded knowledge (ie. fuly-functioning), so Adam would have known how to do things we would have had to learn as we grew up? But whereas he had 'embedded knowledge' he would have been without experience yes?

and he was never "only 1 day old".

Ok so the day after he was created, he was '1 day + created age' old? How old would Adam have felt one day after being created?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, glad to have you back.

Thank you, sir! It's good to be back!

So he was created fully functioning, except for the concept of age as you said. Why would God not have given him this concept along with the other abilities?

What I'm saying is: I don't think Adam knew he was 20 years old (or however old he was). Just look at someone you don't know and try and guess their age - (it'll aways be a guess - always).

Would Adam have been created with embedded knowledge (ie. fuly-functioning), so Adam would have known how to do things we would have had to learn as we grew up?

Adam was told right off to:

1. Name the animals.
2. Tend the Garden.

So it's not a stretch to say he at least had knowledge of zoology and husbandry.

But whereas he had 'embedded knowledge' he would have been without experience yes?

That is correct --- he had academic knowledge --- not experiential knowledge.

Ok so the day after he was created, he was '1 day + created age' old? How old would Adam have felt one day after being created?

He probably felt as good as anyone can possibly feel.

• No tooth decay.
• No poor eyesight.
• No high blood pressure.
• No acne
• No nothing.

This is how we are going to be, when we get our glorified bodies.

 

[FishFace]

No, it's not in my court, Thaumaturgy.

<EXCUSES>

But of course - the only times God ever actually showed himself were way back when people were superstitious and uneducated, and now he's never going to again.

You know, the flying spaghetti monster would show himself too, but he knows that people wouldn't accept him because of his high salt content. So there.