The Rapture!

[LovedofHim]

AND AGAIN WE SEE REVELATIONS 20:4-6 telling us exactly who is part of the FIRST RESURRECTION those who did not worship the beast or take the mark. How is it you are surpassing the dead in Christ when Paul specifically states the dead in Christ rise FIRST

Because those aren't the dead in Christ, meaning by the blood of the Lamb. The church was the first to be judged before the millenium began - and we are judged by the blood of the Lamb, gathered to Him because WE made a covenant by sacrifice. They are judged by WORKS. EVERYONE who is resurrected during the first and last resurrection are judged by WORKS.


9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The church is judging them. See that part where it says, " 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them" THAT is the church who judges the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world?

There is NO mention of the blood of the Lamb in the first resurrection, only works. There is no mention of any other dead in Christ either, only very particular martyrs- that should be a major clue for you.


4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

But everywhere the church is mentioned, the blood of the Lamb is mentioned. (Rev 7, Rev 12) And every single place the church is mentioned in Revelation, we are in heaven.

Besides all of that, you just said that you saw in the 5th seal when the white robes are given that MORE martyrs have to take place before they are finally avenged.
Well, Rev 12's "the rest of the woman's offspring", Rev 13's saints who are "killed or imprisoned", Rev 14's "those who die refusing the mark, for their works follow them", and Rev 20's dead who "refused to worship the beast and take the mark" are ALL the same people. But that didn't stop the giving of white robes to the church or their change of location to the throne of God after having been given those white robes before more martyrs are to take place.

 

[realtruth101]

Because those aren't the dead in Christ, meaning by the blood of the Lamb. The church was the first to be judged before the millenium began - and we are judged by the blood of the Lamb, gathered to Him because WE made a covenant by sacrifice. They are judged by WORKS. EVERYONE who is resurrected during the first and last resurrection are judged by WORKS.


9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The church is judging them. See that part where it says, " 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them" THAT is the church who judges the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world?

There is NO mention of the blood of the Lamb in the first resurrection, only works. There is no mention of any other dead in Christ either, only very particular martyrs- that should be a major clue for you.


4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

But everywhere the church is mentioned, the blood of the Lamb is mentioned. (Rev 7, Rev 12) And every single place the church is mentioned in Revelation, we are in heaven.

Besides all of that, you just said that you saw in the 5th seal when the white robes are given that MORE martyrs have to take place before they are finally avenged.
Well, Rev 12's "the rest of the woman's offspring", Rev 13's saints who are "killed or imprisoned", Rev 14's "those who die refusing the mark, for their works follow them", and Rev 20's dead who "refused to worship the beast and take the mark" are ALL the same people. But that didn't stop the giving of white robes to the church or their change of location to the throne of God after having been given those white robes before more martyrs are to take place.

To die is to be with Christ

 

[realtruth101]

Because those aren't the dead in Christ, meaning by the blood of the Lamb. The church was the first to be judged before the millenium began - and we are judged by the blood of the Lamb, gathered to Him because WE made a covenant by sacrifice. They are judged by WORKS. EVERYONE who is resurrected during the first and last resurrection are judged by WORKS.


9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The church is judging them. See that part where it says, " 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them" THAT is the church who judges the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world?

There is NO mention of the blood of the Lamb in the first resurrection, only works. There is no mention of any other dead in Christ either, only very particular martyrs- that should be a major clue for you.


4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

But everywhere the church is mentioned, the blood of the Lamb is mentioned. (Rev 7, Rev 12) And every single place the church is mentioned in Revelation, we are in heaven.

Besides all of that, you just said that you saw in the 5th seal when the white robes are given that MORE martyrs have to take place before they are finally avenged.
Well, Rev 12's "the rest of the woman's offspring", Rev 13's saints who are "killed or imprisoned", Rev 14's "those who die refusing the mark, for their works follow them", and Rev 20's dead who "refused to worship the beast and take the mark" are ALL the same people. But that didn't stop the giving of white robes to the church or their change of location to the throne of God after having been given those white robes before more martyrs are to take place.

FOR THE PERSON WHO EARLIER POSTED SHE DIDN"T THINK THE BIBLE TAUGHT A PRETRIB RAPTURE.........CAN YOU SEE HOW COMPLICATED THIS THING GETS, A FEW MORE POST AND IT GETS REALLY WEIRD!

 

[Choose Wisely]

Hallelujah!

Revelation 7 describes the elect for whom the great tribulation is cut short. The antichrist doesn't even come on the scene until Revelation 9 after the Day of the Lord has begun.

No, the antichrist confirms the covenant starting the 70th week of Daniel. The antichrist is the white horse that goes forth conquering and to conquer. He has a bow with no arrow......by peace will he conquer.

The antichrist is a man. He neither falls from heaven nor comes out of the pit. You are in DEEP, DEEP confusion.

 

[rsduncan]

I think that believers have to endure the GT, but are gathered immediately before the vial judgments. I consider that to still be part of the GT, albeit at the very end of it, and not a post-tribulation event...

 

[LovedofHim]

To die is to be with Christ

The souls of those who die at the hands of the beast are judged by the church and resurrected after Christ has come and bound the devil.

 

[LovedofHim]

FOR THE PERSON WHO EARLIER POSTED SHE DIDN"T THINK THE BIBLE TAUGHT A PRETRIB RAPTURE.........CAN YOU SEE HOW COMPLICATED THIS THING GETS, A FEW MORE POST AND IT GETS REALLY WEIRD!

According to Jesus and Daniel, the great tribulation began with the desolation of Israel, continues until the time of the end, where it will be cut short for the sake of the elect, followed by the rising up of the antichrist.

 

[LovedofHim]

No, the antichrist confirms the covenant starting the 70th week of Daniel. The antichrist is the white horse that goes forth conquering and to conquer. He has a bow with no arrow......by peace will he conquer.

The antichrist is a man. He neither falls from heaven nor comes out of the pit. You are in DEEP, DEEP confusion.

There is no scripture that says the antichrist confirms any kind of covenant with anybody.

There is no scripture that says the antichrist is one of the four horseman whom Zech 6 tells us are four spirits that go out from the throne of God as God's "four dreadful judgments". Ezek 14:21 tells us that God sent them out to desolate Israel. THERE'S your timing!

The antichrist shows up in the 7th seal of Revelation, not before.

Yes, the antichrist is a man, a devil-empowered man. The devil is the one who is cast down from heavenly realms to the earth. The false prophet is the one who comes up out of the earth/abyss.

 

[LovedofHim]

I think that believers have to endure the GT, but are gathered immediately before the vial judgments. I consider that to still be part of the GT, albeit at the very end of it, and not a post-tribulation event...

Every Christian who has ever lived has endured the great tribulation. HE told us when it began in Matt 24 (and Daniel 11).

Jesus told us when the tribulation is cut short and when the Day of His wrath begins.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,(6th seal) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Rev 6: 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The entire 7th seal is the wrath of God that is poured out prior to Jesus coming on the clouds to destroy.

 

[realtruth101]

The souls of those who die at the hands of the beast are judged by the church and resurrected after Christ has come and bound the devil.

theres only ONE FIRST RESURRECTION! OF THE JUST! and ONE GATHERING OF SAINTS OF THOSE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE AT HIS COMING AND THEY HAPPEN ALMOST SIMULTANEOUS < AND APART FROM THESE< THERE REMAINS ONLY THE SECOND RESURRECTION THOSE WHO WILL BE JUDGED BY THEIR WORKS, SOME WILL GO TO HEAVEN MOST WILL GO TO HELL

 

[LovedofHim]

theres only ONE FIRST RESURRECTION! OF THE JUST! and ONE GATHERING OF SAINTS OF THOSE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE AT HIS COMING AND THEY HAPPEN ALMOST SIMULTANEOUS < AND APART FROM THESE< THERE REMAINS ONLY THE SECOND RESURRECTION THOSE WHO WILL BE JUDGED BY THEIR WORKS, SOME WILL GO TO HEAVEN MOST WILL GO TO HELL

When are the two witnesses resurrected?

Why does Revelation 20 say that ONLY those who died refusing to take the mark and worship the beast are the one's resurrected at the first resurrection and that the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are ended?

Where is the church in both of those scenarios?

Do you see that the first resurrection occurs after Christ has already come, destroyed the evil and bound the devil?

 

[realtruth101]

There is no scripture that says the antichrist confirms any kind of covenant with anybody.

There is no scripture that says the antichrist is one of the four horseman whom Zech 6 tells us are four spirits that go out from the throne of God as God's "four dreadful judgments". Ezek 14:21 tells us that God sent them out to desolate Israel. THERE'S your timing!

The antichrist shows up in the 7th seal of Revelation, not before.

Yes, the antichrist is a man, a devil-empowered man. The devil is the one who is cast down from heavenly realms to the earth. The false prophet is the one who comes up out of the earth/abyss.

NOW, BRETHREN, CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS (VIA INTERNET FORUMS) FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION, WHO OPPOSES AND EXALTS HIMSELF ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD OR THAT IS WORSHIPED, SO THAT HE SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD..............warning there are people who want to lead you to believe Jesus comes before the antichrist, this will be the deception Paul is warning you about. many will follow the antichrist due to this false teaching, this possibley could be what the apostasy is all about!

 

[LovedofHim]

NOW, BRETHREN, CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS (VIA INTERNET FORUMS) FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION, WHO OPPOSES AND EXALTS HIMSELF ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD OR THAT IS WORSHIPED, SO THAT HE SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD..............warning there are people who want to lead you to believe Jesus comes before the antichrist, this will be the deception Paul is warning you about. many will follow the antichrist due to this false teaching, this possibley could be what the apostasy is all about!

It's funny that you should bring that up as a "proof-text" that people are deceived as to the timing of the gathering to Christ. Apostasia means departure, realtruth101. Paul said that something must be taken out of the way (depart) before the man of sin is revealed. What is it that must be taken out of the way?

Knowing that Jesus said the great tribulation is cut short for the sake of the elect and then the antichrist arises in Matt 24, what oh what must be taken out of the way before the antichrist arises?

Tell me, Realtruth101, what is the church saying here and where are we dwelling in this passage: And what is the timing?


10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And who are the "heaven-dwellers" that the antichrist blasphemes?


5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

[realtruth101]

When are the two witnesses resurrected?

Why does Revelation 20 say that ONLY those who died refusing to take the mark and worship the beast are the one's resurrected at the first resurrection and that the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are ended?

Where is the church in both of those scenarios?

Do you see that the first resurrection occurs after Christ has already come, destroyed the evil and bound the devil?

THERE IS ONLY TWO RESURRECTIONS, THE FIRST RESURRECTION THEN THE SECOND SOMETIME AFTER SATAN IS RELEASED AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN. YOU BASE YOUR DOCTRINE ON SILENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES, I COULD SAY IN ALL OF REVELATIONS THERES NO MENTION OF SHOES SO I BELIEVE WE ALL LOST OUR FEET AND ARE STUBBLING AROUND ON BLOODY STUMPS, BASING WHAT YOU BELIEVE ON NOTHING IS HERMENEUTICAL SUICIDE.

 

[LovedofHim]

THERE IS ONLY TWO RESURRECTIONS, THE FIRST RESURRECTION THEN THE SECOND SOMETIME AFTER SATAN IS RELEASED AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN. YOU BASE YOUR DOCTRINE ON SILENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES, I COULD SAY IN ALL OF REVELATIONS THERES NO MENTION OF SHOES SO I BELIEVE WE ALL LOST OUR FEET AND ARE STUBBLING AROUND ON BLOODY STUMPS, BASING WHAT YOU BELIEVE ON NOTHING IS HERMENEUTICAL SUICIDE.

No, certainly not silence AT ALL.

What happens at the time of the "rapture"?

Christ appears for a millisecond in time, the dead are raised, we are all changed and caught up to the throne of God.

Everywhere the church is shown in Revelation, we are shown at the throne of God, dwelling in heaven, except when the martyrs are asking to be avenged, they are "under the altar" until they (and we) are given our white robes (glorified bodies) and are next seen before the throne of God!

I could point to at least five, if not more, scriptures that show the timing of the church's departure to heaven and YOU KNOW that departure is preceeded by a resurrection.


Isaiah 26: 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Think about what that scripture is saying. That is a resurrection and gathering prior to wrath on the Day of the Lord.

You think the resurrection and gathering is when Christ comes on the clouds to destroy but even Isaiah 26 proves that theory wrong.

 

[realtruth101]

It's funny that you should bring that up as a "proof-text" that people are deceived as to the timing of the gathering to Christ. Apostasia means departure, realtruth101.

Tell me, Realtruth101, what is the church saying here and where are we dwelling in this passage: And what is the timing?


10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And who are the "heaven-dwellers" that the antichrist blasphemes?


5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

ITS A NICE IDEA! BUT ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS GO BACK TO MATHEW 24 TO GET THE CONTINUITY OF EVENTS AND SEE THE FALLING AWAY 9-12 THEN LOOK SURPRISE! JESUS TELLS US THE ANTICHRIST SHOWS UP 15 THEN IN VERSE 23 THEN IF ANYONE SAY TO YOU 'LOOK HERES THE CHRIST" DO NOT BELIEVE IT..........BECAUSE EVEN UP TO THIS POINT HE HASN'T COME!..... THEN PLAINLY CLEARLY WITHOUT SYMBOLISMS AND ALLEGORY OR PARABLES, VERSES 29-31 JESUS CHRIST THE ONE AND ONLY COMES FOR THE ONE AND ONLY SECOND TIME! ........YOU GOT A CHRONOLOGICAL GYMNASTICS GOING ON WITH YOUR ESCHATOLOGY

 

[LovedofHim]

ITS A NICE IDEA! BUT ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS GO BACK TO MATHEW 24 TO GET THE CONTINUITY OF EVENTS AND SEE THE FALLING AWAY 9-12 THEN LOOK SURPRISE! JESUS TELLS US THE ANTICHRIST SHOWS UP 15 THEN IN VERSE 23 THEN IF ANYONE SAY TO YOU 'LOOK HERES THE CHRIST" DO NOT BELIEVE IT..........BECAUSE EVEN UP TO THIS POINT HE HASN'T COME!..... THEN PLAINLY CLEARLY WITHOUT SYMBOLISMS AND ALLEGORY OR PARABLES, VERSES 29-31 JESUS CHRIST THE ONE AND ONLY COMES FOR THE ONE AND ONLY SECOND TIME! ........YOU GOT A CHRONOLOGICAL GYMNASTICS GOING ON WITH YOUR ESCHATOLOGY

Do you understand that these two verses (21/22 & 29) are speaking of the same tribulation?


21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Jesus said in those verses that TWO things occur after the tribulation is cut short.

1. the 6th seal
2. antichrist arises

 

[realtruth101]

Do you understand that these two verses (21/22 & 29) are speaking of the same tribulation?


21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Jesus said in those verses that TWO things occur after the tribulation is cut short.

1. the 6th seal
2. antichrist arises

SO I GUESS WITH YOUR WEIRD THEORY, THAT NOW ALONG WITH TWO SECOND COMINGS, THERE ARE TWO TRIBULATIONS (WELL THAT FIGURES) THE WAY IT READS IS TRIBULATION BEGINS IN VERSE 9 WHEN CHRISTIANS ARE HATED BY ALL NATIONS, AND AS THE DAY DRAWS CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE END, THE TRIBULATION GETS GREATER AND GREATER, VERSE 22 IS VERY CLEAR HOW BAD IT GETS, AS IT IS A DESCRIPTIVE IN SAYING SHOULD THESE DAYS OF TRIBULATION CONTINUE ENDLESSLY EVERY CHRISTIAN WOULD DIE, BUT FOR OUR SAKE HE SHORTENED THEM, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME STILL ALIVE TO BE GATHERED UP WHEN HE COMES IN VERSE 31

 

[4runner]

Then I'm like........whoah! It sounds to me that only the 144k are taken to heaven, and the rest of us are going to stay here to endure till the end, and we will remain on earth afterwards too as we will be divinely protected during the wrath.

The problem with this idea is that the 144k are not ev saved util after the tribulation has started. The fact is no one is rapture until the post trib return of Christ.

 

[realtruth101]

When are the two witnesses resurrected?

Why does Revelation 20 say that ONLY those who died refusing to take the mark and worship the beast are the one's resurrected at the first resurrection and that the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are ended?

Where is the church in both of those scenarios?

Do you see that the first resurrection occurs after Christ has already come, destroyed the evil and bound the devil?

AGAIN YOU BASE YOUR BELIEFS ON SILENCE, YOU READ INTO SCRIPTURE THINGS IT IS NOT EVEN SAYING, SPECULATION OVER SPECULATION, I COULD DO THE SAME, THERES NO CARS MENTIONED IN REVELATIONS SO I CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NO MORE GASOLINE AT THE TIME OF THE END, YOU CAN'T BASE DOCTRINE FROM SILENCE!