The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[the.Sheepdog]

It fatigues me to read so much blustery in fighting all the time. You are all missing the point of the whole subject. The thread was and is about the Rapture being soon coming.

Not about whether and angel fell and was changed into a demon or if you believe the angel never was an angel even tho you even quote a verse that says the angel fell.

Eschatology is about learning and knowing the signs of this end time and responding to them by coming to salvation in Jesus Christ!

If any of you think you garner any brownie points for anything fighting over so called interpretations then you will all be very disappointed and sorry all too soon but too late.

The rapture is coming that is fact. deal with it. it is coming soon get ready!

 

[justsurfing]

"The end" of the Law means only "the Goal" of it, which is Christ.
To be brought to Christ is the oracle of the Law, and to be brought to Him by the Atonement of Him who is the High Priest, was rehearsed by the keepers of the Oracles of God [the namesake people of the New Man name], who were to rehearse them all in the signs and types until they were all fulfilled.

The Living Oracles are the Tutor/Schoolmaster, to bring us to Christ, the Goal of the Law, and they were committed only to the namesake people to rehearse as the signs that they are of Christ's Person and work, to redeem us.
Learn the teaching/doctrine of the Living Oracles and then you can be a teacher in His Church. Without understanding the Teaching of the Oracles, then one is not to be a teacher in Christ's Church is what the author of Hebrews says [probably Paul].

Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles [foundational truths -the abc's]of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the living oracles to give unto us:

Romans 3:1 ...What advantage has the Jew, what profit is the circumcision [Moses]? -Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

I'm still not clear of your present position regarding Jews and Gentiles today. Are you recognizing there is neither Jew nor Greek, or Gentile, in Christ and the Spirit is the goal?? It sounds like it in some ways, but I am not sure how to interpret completely what you say about the oracles. The Spirit is the Teacher. The holy men of God spoke as moved of the Spirit. Only what is of the Spirit matters. The flesh profits nothing.

John 6:63 (King James Version)
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

2 Peter 1:21 (King James Version)
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Galatians 3:2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Would you please clarify your view so I can better understand your perspective??

 

[justsurfing]

It fatigues me to read so much blustery in fighting all the time. You are all missing the point of the whole subject. The thread was and is about the Rapture being soon coming.

Not about whether and angel fell and was changed into a demon or if you believe the angel never was an angel even tho you even quote a verse that says the angel fell.

Eschatology is about learning and knowing the signs of this end time and responding to them by coming to salvation in Jesus Christ!

If any of you think you garner any brownie points for anything fighting over so called interpretations then you will all be very disappointed and sorry all too soon but too late.

The rapture is coming that is fact. deal with it. it is coming soon get ready!

It can be wearying as people wrestle with scripture. But this is wrestling with Satan so that we gain revelation. Satan seeks to oppose revelation of the Word of God. It is Satan with whom we wrestle as we strive earnestly to "see the light of God's Word".

John 6:63 (King James Version)
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 119:130 (King James Version)
130The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

We do need patience with ourselves and one another as we wrestle with Satan to gain enlivened understanding of God's Word.

Ephesians 6:11-13 (King James Version)
11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

The position regarding Satan coming in person in the latter half of the 7 year period at the abomination of desolation is a matter worthy of further examination. It is my position that Satan resurrects in the body of the 666 beast as the "2nd beast" spoken of in Revelation 13. Now, at that point, we are getting into "deep things difficult to be understood". This is the "meat of the Word" relative to the Book of Revelation.

It is wearying, in a way, because it is a great wrestling match with Satan to review such matters as related to the punishment and demise of Satan -- and his manifestation on earth as the 2nd beast.

I do believe these matters are pertinent relative to the "rapture" that takes place at the midpoint of the apocalypse and worthy of discussion related thereto. I apologize if it is wearying, but it will grant us greater grace as we "see more". Thank you for your patience.

 

[Super Kal]

It fatigues me to read so much blustery in fighting all the time. You are all missing the point of the whole subject. The thread was and is about the Rapture being soon coming.

Not about whether and angel fell and was changed into a demon or if you believe the angel never was an angel even tho you even quote a verse that says the angel fell.

Eschatology is about learning and knowing the signs of this end time and responding to them by coming to salvation in Jesus Christ!

If any of you think you garner any brownie points for anything fighting over so called interpretations then you will all be very disappointed and sorry all too soon but too late.

The rapture is coming that is fact. deal with it. it is coming soon get ready!

and when it doesn't come when you want it to come, what are you going to do?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

and when it doesn't come when you want it to come, what are you going to do?

Continue to drink beer, eat munchies and watch football?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7443861-2/#post54200814
Interesting new development

 

[Super Kal]

go to Disneyworld probably

 

[anthony55]

The next thing to occur of momentous importance is the rapture of the church [ elect] at the second coming of Christ, all else has been fulfilled, the Man of sin reigns in the tabernacle/ Temple of God.

 

[justsurfing]

So? tempted through Gadreel, says Enoch, and not to have a child, which is what I said is blasphemy against the Word. Adam is made male, from a sexual term for reproduction organ, and female, likewise a term for reproduction, by YHWH Elohym, from the beginning. They were made to multiply the Adam seed, and Cain is an Adam seed who sinned because he let the devil tempt him and took up the temptation and acted on it, becoming then, in spirit, "of that wicked one" and slew his brother.

The scripture states that we are conceived in sin and children of wrath.

Psalm 51:5 (New International Version)5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Ephesians 2:2-4 (King James Version)2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

All mankind fell in Adam. All born of Adam according to the flesh are conceived in sin as children of the devil spiritually as children of wrath. Cain did not "become" the seed of the evil one upon sinning, but rather was the seed of the evil one spiritually through conception in sin being born of the flesh. Likewise, Abel was conceived in the same fallen state. Yet, God had mercy on Abel and granted Abel faith not granted to Cain.

I do believe that this is "outside a discussion" of endtime events and appears to be more fitting to a different thread. Perhaps this is what is being objected to by readers of the thread in that it has nothing to do with eschatology?? Or rapture??

There are a host of satans with one chief. They were never holy angels and have been created as evil spirits to tempt test and try -then accuse, mean and angels, before the throne where they have access to at appointed times. they catch angels and men in their traps so that they get the spoils as rejects, cast aways, for the Lake of Fire, forever.

Lucifer was a perfect angel. Satan emerged "in the place of Lucifer" as total evil. Are you saying that Lucifer is not Satan?? Are you saying that Lucifer was a perfect spirit in Christ and Satan is a separate "spiritual being" due to completely opposite and separated spirits?? Like a "parallel universe" spiritually?? Like Dr. Jeckyll is not Mr. Hyde??

Would you please clarify your view?? (This may or may not be related to the apocalyptic scriptures. We are going to discuss Satan emerging as the 2nd beast of Revelation in a human body from my view ~~ and perhaps it will "tie in". I would ask for patience if these seems "outside the realm" of the apocalypse in area of discussion. If it doesn't really "fit" as a point moving to application in the Book of Revelation ~~ I guess the discussion really does belong on another thread and would respectfully ask for focus to remain on the apocalypse in this thread.)

and when one of the lesser satans does an act, the head gets the credit for the action. So it is when one of God's servants do His bidding, themselves, but He gets the credit, which is seen all through the Word.

Amen. The individual acting is acting as "agency" for God's Spirit as both an individual and a member of the body of Christ in the Kingdom of Light. The opposite is true for individuals acting as "agency" for Satan's spirit as both an individual and a member of the body of Satan in the kingdom of darkness.

And Zeke, Satan is the name of all the evil spirits created as tempters and testers of men and angels. They who are under the chief satan are called his angels, but they were never holy, and they never fell.

Again, please explain this statement "they were never holy, and they never fell"

When Michael and his angels [Michael is the chief of the chiefs -head of the archangels, as Daniel says] fight against the devil and his angels, they are all cast down to earth -the whole host of the satans are cast down to earth, and the whole host of them are imprisoned for one thousand years in the pit, and are released to test and try those born in the Millennium, so that the rejects can be their food in the Lake of Fire

...Amen whole host are cast down. Amen whole host imprisoned for one thousand years in the pit. Amen they are released to deceive. However, the elect will not be deceived. Satan is gathering all damned persons to Final Armageddon.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
there are a host of satans, and they are called evil spirits in heaven.

They are the kingdom of darkness spiritually and all are "in Satan" spiritually as the spirit of the devil is "in them" spiritually.

Enoch 65:5
And Enoch my grandfather came and stood by me, and said unto me: "Why hast thou cried unto me with a bitter cry and weeping? 6And a command has gone forth from the presence of the Lord concerning those who dwell on the earth that their ruin is accomplished because they have learnt all the secrets of the angels, and all the violence of the satans, and all their powers- the most secret ones- and all the power of those who practise sorcery, and the power of witchcraft, and the power of those who make molten images for the whole earth:
40:3And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5And the second voice I heard blessing the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits.
6And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7And I heard the fourth voice fending off the satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth.
53:1 There mine eyes saw a deep valley with open mouths, and all who dwell on the earth and sea and islands shall bring to him gifts and presents and tokens of homage, but that deep valley shall not become full.
2And their hands commit lawless deeds,
And the sinners devour all whom they lawlessly oppress:
Yet the sinners shall be destroyed before the face of the Lord of Spirits,
And they shall be banished from off the face of His earth,
And they shall perish for ever and ever.
3For I saw all the angels of punishment abiding there and preparing all the instruments of Satan.
4And I asked the angel of peace who went with me: "For whom are they preparing these instruments?"
5And he said unto me: "They prepare these for the kings and the mighty of this earth, that they may thereby be destroyed.
54 And I looked and turned to another part of the earth, and saw there a deep valley with burning fire. 2And they brought the kings and the mighty, and began to cast them into this deep valley. 3And there mine eyes saw how they made these their instruments, iron chains of immeasurable weight. 4And I asked the angel of peace who went with me, saying: "For whom are these chains being prepared?"
5And he said unto me: "These are being prepared for the hosts of Azazel, so that they may take them and cast them into the abyss of complete condemnation, and they shall cover their jaws with rough stones as the Lord of Spirits commanded. 6And Michael, and Gabriel, and Raphael, and Phanuel shall take hold of them on that great day, and cast them on that day into the burning furnace, that the Lord of Spirits may take vengeance on them for their unrighteousness in becoming subject to Satan and leading astray those who dwell on the earth.

I cannot accept the book of "Enoch" anymore than I can the Koran.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels [satans]were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which/ho/these accused them before our God day and night.

Amen.

 

[justsurfing]

The next thing to occur of momentous importance is the rapture of the church [ elect] at the second coming of Christ, all else has been fulfilled, the Man of sin reigns in the tabernacle/ Temple of God.

As has been stated before in this thread, there are 4 gatherings:

#1. Revelation 18 "gathering" of the saints into the land of Revelation 12.
#2. "Gathering" in separation unto protection of the 144,000 (sealed in their foreheads protected from plagues and wrath).
#3. Revelation 19 "gathering" in the mid-Heaven in which the 2 witnesses and others participate.
#4. Final "gathering" at the return of Jesus Christ where saints meet Jesus in the first Heaven. Then Jesus descends with a shout and the first Heaven and earth dissolve and all evil is burned.

To state that the next event is a gathering correlating with the final return of Jesus Christ is in error. The final return of Jesus Christ (His one return) occurs at Final Armageddon after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The "next" we are watching for now is the 666 beast, as you say, committing the abomination of desolation. Then will the angel of Revelation 18 descend to gather saints for that first "gathering" in which they are translated, transferred, perhaps even "transfigured" into the land of Revelation 12 as a "holy nation" on earth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The next thing to occur of momentous importance is the rapture of the church [ elect] at the second coming of Christ, all else has been fulfilled, the Man of sin reigns in the tabernacle/ Temple of God.

Interesting post. But do ya think the Jews will buy it?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7443861/#post55364196
Interesting new development

Daniel 11:35 And from the intelligent/wise Ones, they shall stumble, to refine in them and to purify and to whiten untill Time of the End, that further to appointed time.
36 And He does as acceptable of Him, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and He shall magnify Himself over every of god/0410 'El and on God/'El of gods/'El He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill concluding of Menace/za`am that One being decided is Finished.
[2 Thess 2:4/Revelation 13:5]

2 Thess 2:4 The one opposing and being exalted upon all being said god or venerated, so that him into the Sanctuary/naon <3485> of the God as a-god to be seated, showing himself that he is a-god
[Dan 11:35, 36/Revelation 13:5]

Reve 13:5 And was given to it a mouth speaking great-things and blasphemies, and was given to it authority to do months, forty two.
6 And it opens the mouth of it into blasphemy toward the God, to blaspheme the name of Him and the booth of Him, *and of the ones in the Heaven boothing.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The scripture states that we are conceived in sin and children of wrath.

Psalm 51:5 (New International Version)5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Ephesians 2:2-4 (King James Version)2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

We are conceived in Adam, the fallen son, but the promise of the Seed [Christ come in flesh] of the Woman [Zion above] was given at the beginning, and we were all born under the promise of the Atonement, and because of that, no human being who dies in the body of flesh who has not come to the understanding of right and wrong is condemned, but belongs to Jesus Christ; and since the resurrection of Christ, all who die before understanding go to be where He is, to await the resurrection of the body.
One has to commit sin themselves, of their own free will, to be a child of wrath.

 

[justsurfing]

Continue to drink beer, eat munchies and watch football?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7443861-2/#post54200814
Interesting new development

Also by LLOJ in thread:

*snip*

......This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12.

Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.'.......

.........As I have noticed while comparing translations of different verses in the Bible, even the most literal translations can suddenly depart from literalism, perhaps visit the Greek Septuagint and abandon the Hebrew translation for a single verse, whenever some highly cherished doctrine might be threatened by a truly literal translation. Rule of thumb : you should never, ever rely exclusively on one single translation.)

We are preparing to enter the discussion of the 2 ends of the world in scripture:

1. Marriage supper of the Lamb ending the 7 year period apocalypse of the 666 beast.

2. Final Armageddon after the 1000 year reign of Christ ending the reign of the 2nd beast -- Satan who comes resurrected in the body of the 666 beast when released from the abyss after the 1000 years -- truly ending all the first creation.

The goal is to clarify the 7 year period so that it is seen that the 2nd beast does not arise during the 7 year apocalypse but rather after the 1000 years as Satan is released from the abyss.

Jesus "ends the world" at the marriage supper of the Lamb when the first beast system is destroyed (initiating the 1000 year reign of Christ).

Jesus "fully ends the world" upon His return at Final Armageddon (which occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ).

(I should note that at the midpoint of the apocalypse -- Jesus in the land of Revelation 18 ~~ causes the church on the land to arise in triumph and protected during the latter 3-1/2 year period. It's not worldwide, however so it's "localized" not "global" like the marriage supper of the Lamb and the final return of Jesus Christ. Jesus returns fully only one time, btw.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Also by LLOJ in thread:
We are preparing to enter the discussion of the 2 ends of the world in scripture:

1. Marriage supper of the Lamb ending the 7 year period apocalypse of the 666 beast.

2. Final Armageddon after the 1000 year reign of Christ ending the reign of the 2nd beast -- Satan who comes resurrected in the body of the 666 beast when released from the abyss after the 1000 years -- truly ending all the first creation.

The goal is to clarify the 7 year period so that it is seen that the 2nd beast does not arise during the 7 year apocalypse but rather after the 1000 years as Satan is released from the abyss.

Jesus "ends the world" at the marriage supper of the Lamb when the first beast system is destroyed (initiating the 1000 year reign of Christ).

Jesus "fully ends the world" upon His return at Final Armageddon (which occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ)..

Thanks for clarifying that.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7413416/
Armegeddon and Gog-Magog same event?

 

[anthony55]

Interesting post. But do ya think the Jews will buy it?

Only those who know God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Only those who know God.

The Jews already know God I would think

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

Acts 7:30 And of being filled years, forty, was seen to him in the wilderness of the mount Sinai a messenger of Lord, in a Flame of fire of a bush
38 This is the one-becoming in the Outcalled/ekklhsia <1577> in the wilderness with the Messenger the one speaking to him in the Mount Sinai, and with our fathers who receives oracles/words, living, to give to us.
[Luke 16:24]

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being pained in the Flame this."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]

 

[justsurfing]

We are conceived in Adam, the fallen son, but the promise of the Seed of the Woman [Zion above] was given at the beginning, and we were all born under the promise of the Atonement, and because of that, no human being who dies in the body of flesh who has not come to the understanding of right and wrong is condemned, but belongs to Jesus Christ; and since the resurrection of Christ, all who die before understanding go to be where He is, to await the resurrection of the body.
One has to commit sin themselves, of their own free will, to be a child of wrath.

We are not conceived merely physically in bodies fallen in sin but also conceived spiritually in sin of the devil's spirit.

The promise was given of Zion in Christ, and atonement, before the beginning and before the foundation of the world.

We are not included in Christ until the Spirit comes to conceive Christ in us. Therefore, all who die in the flesh apart from saving faith are not included in Christ and rather die in their sins as children of the devil spiritually.

All who are of sin do the will of their spiritual father, Satan, freely for they are wicked from conception having his spirit in them as "their spirit".

John 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

All those who have died in their sins apart from faith are in hell awaiting resurrection. Those remaining in the pit during the 1000 years will be resurrected and judged in the body of sin.

Isaiah 14:9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

John 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 24:15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Revelation 20: 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The resurrection of the damned is unto the second death:

Revelation 2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the seconddeath.

Revelation 20:6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[justsurfing]

The Jews already know God I would think

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

Acts 7:30 And of being filled years, forty, was seen to him in the wilderness of the mount Sinai a messenger of Lord, in a Flame of fire of a bush
38 This is the one-becoming in the Outcalled/ekklhsia <1577> in the wilderness with the Messenger the one speaking to him in the Mount Sinai, and with our fathers who receives oracles/words, living, to give to us.
[Luke 16:24]

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being pained in the Flame this."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]

The devils believe and do tremble. The demons cried out, "Jesus are you here to torment us before the time!" This is not relational faith of inclusion in the Spirit of God. This is not justifying faith. Neither is the faith of the rich Jewish man in the flames. He had not saving faith. That is why father Abraham said that even if one should rise from the dead, his brothers would not believe since they did not believe the prophets, etc.

I guess we are on "rabbit trails" today. You stretch, imo, too far saying the Jews all know God. It is God who will save the Jews wholly by grace in accordance with Sovereign election in His time according to His plan. The promises of Jacob still apply to the Jews. It is not that they know God but rather that they are known of God. All of Israel is resurrected at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Christ... or so it appears to me.

Ezekiel 37

1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

The promise to Jacob is remembered, the whole house of Israel resurrected by grace and God's Sovereign good pleasure for which only God can receive praise, after Satan is cast into the abyss for the 1000 years:

Isaiah 14

1For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. 2And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

(cont'd)

 

[justsurfing]

Also, LLOJ, you state underneath in your signature that Israel is cursed as a nation "forever". "Forever" is a very long time in scripture and often only means "age-during". Yes, Israel is cursed as a nation in this age -- but becomes a nation again in the 1000 year reign of Christ. They are all alive at the return of Christ -- see Jesus in the air, the spirit of grace and supplication is poured out upon them, and hence, all national Israel... is saved.

Zechariah 12:9-11 (King James Version)


9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

This occurs at Final Armageddon when Jesus appears in the first Heaven at His one time true full return.

This nation is blessed by God, anointed by God, and arises as a nation again at the beginning of the age of the 1000 year reign of Christ. Hence, all national Israel as descendants of Jacob upon whom God has mercy shall be saved. The "receiving of them" shall be "life from the dead" as they are resurrected at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Christ as God has mercy on Jacob.

Romans 11: 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We are not conceived merely physically in bodies fallen in sin but also conceived spiritually in sin of the devil's spirit.

That is not Bible doctrine and is blasphemous.
The doctrine of the Word teaches that Adam was made male and female [Genesis 5:2], to multiply the living seed created in the loins of the firstborn Adam male, in the womb of the female Adam, as sons of God of the human being kind [Malachi 2:15]; and that the male and female are one spirit [Malachi 2:15], and all Adam is the same one spirit, and one bone, one flesh, and one blood. Each soul come to fruit in Adam is covered by the Atonement until they willfully choose evil after coming to the age of understanding good and evil. No one born in Adam will be a reject in the Lake of Fire for the sin of the first father of our race because the Atonement works back to the fall and fzrward to every seed born in Adam, to cover the unclean defiling deed of Adam in the fall. Not one single soul come to fruit in the Adam race of human beings is condemned at birth, but at birth is covered by the promise of the Seed of the Woman given in the presence of all the seed in the loins of Adam at the time of the fall.
No demon can be redeemed, and by your accusation of everyone being born of the evil spirit who is in fact born in the Adam spirit, you are claiming that all souls are nephillim =demons, and so not of the first father of the human race, Adam, since the fall. But you are deceived and deceiving and your doctrine is not the doctrine of the Word of God.

Every single soul born in Adam belongs to the LORD [all souls are mine, says YHWH], and was written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world to come forth in their season, pre-ordained, in the Adam being, as sons of God of the human being kind; and not one single soul written in that book is condemned when born in Adam, but has the Light Christ, lighting them until they come to the age of accountability, and either seek that Light and be led to know Christ, or reject that Light, and be rejects, themselves, then, in the end, and their name will be blotted out of the book of Life when they become reprobates, with no remedy.

No one, absolutely no one, is born in Adam as a reprobate, but has to choose the Light that lights them [Christ], on coming into the world, or reject that light when they come to the understanding of good and evil, and choose evil, and continue choosing evil with knowledge, until they are without remedy and get their name blotted out of the Book if Life.

Every single Adam being soul -all the seed of Adam born in the Adam spirit- is covered by the blood of the Atonement at birth, so that they can be led to know Christ by the Light that lights them at birth, until they reject that Light and get their name blotted out of the Book of Life.
If they die before coming to the understanding of right and wrong and the freewill making of their choice, then they are covered by that blood of Atonement, for it was promised to all the seed in the loins of Adam, at the time of the fall.

If a fallen angel gets seed by marrying a female Adam person, as they did do, then that seed is an evil spirit, not an Adam spirit, and cannot be redeemed and was not written in the Book of Life to come into the Adam being. The evil spirits who were begot by angels taking daughters of Adam are not human beings. They are nephillim, and there is no redemption for them.

 

[justsurfing]

That is not Bible doctrine and is blasphemous.
The doctrine of the Word teaches that Adam was made male and female [Genesis 5:2], to multiply the living seed created in the loins of the firstborn Adam male, in the womb of the female Adam, as sons of God of the human being kind [Malachi 2:15]; and that the male and female are one spirit [Malachi 2:15], and all Adam is the same one spirit, and one bone, one flesh, and one blood. Each soul come to fruit in Adam is covered by the Atonement until they willfully choose evil after coming to the age of understanding good and evil. No one born in Adam will be a reject in the Lake of Fire for the sin of the first father of our race because the Atonement works back to the fall and fzrward to every seed born in Adam, to cover the unclean defiling deed of Adam in the fall. Not one single soul come to fruit in the Adam race of human beings is condemned at birth, but at birth is covered by the promise of the Seed of the Woman given in the presence of all the seed in the loins of Adam at the time of the fall.
No demon can be redeemed, and by your accusation of everyone being born of the evil spirit who is in fact born in the Adam spirit, you are claiming that all souls are nephillim =demons, and so not of the first father of the human race, Adam, since the fall. But you are deceived and deceiving and your doctrine is not the doctrine of the Word of God.

Every single soul born in Adam belongs to the LORD [all souls are mine, says YHWH], and was written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world to come forth in their season, pre-ordained, in the Adam being, as sons of God of the human being kind; and not one single soul written in that book is condemned when born in Adam, but has the Light Christ, lighting them until they come to the age of accountability, and either seek that Light and be led to know Christ, or reject that Light, and be rejects, themselves, then, in the end, and their name will be blotted out of the book of Life when they become reprobates, with no remedy.

No one, absolutely no one, is born in Adam as a reprobate, but has to choose the Light that lights them [Christ], on coming into the world, or reject that light when they come to the understanding of good and evil, and choose evil, and continue choosing evil with knowledge, until they are without remedy and get their name blotted out of the Book if Life.

Every single Adam being soul -all the seed of Adam born in the Adam spirit- is covered by the blood of the Atonement at birth, so that they can be led to know Christ by the Light that lights them at birth, until they reject that Light and get their name blotted out of the Book of Life.
If they die before coming to the understanding of right and wrong and the freewill making of their choice, then they are covered by that blood of Atonement, for it was promised to all the seed in the loins of Adam, at the time of the fall.

If a fallen angel gets seed by marrying a female Adam person, as they did do, then that seed is an evil spirit, not an Adam spirit, and cannot be redeemed and was not written in the Book of Life to come into the Adam being. The evil spirits who were begot by angels taking daughters of Adam are not human beings. They are nephillim, and there is no redemption for them.

No, it is not blasphemous to know that Adam was a son of God who lost his sonship through sin. Adam before the fall:

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

What Adam lost in sonship, Jesus Christ restores through God's grace in salvation:

John 1:11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Adam had "total ability" in Christ as a son of God before the fall into sin to do the will of God out of a spirit born of God. However, once sonship to God is lost, mankind does not possess the same ability. None of those saved and born of God are born, thus saved, of their own will - the will of a man nor the will of flesh. Rather, they are saved wholly by grace in 100% monergism.

Also, none is included in Christ in salvation until such time as God grants saving faith by grace.

Ephesians 1:13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession&#8212;to the praise of his glory.

The spirit born of God does the will of the Spirit. The spirit born of the devil does the will of his father the devil.