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The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

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the.Sheepdog said in post 141:

The thread was and is about the Rapture being soon coming.

Do you mean pre-trib soon? If so, Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24 (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8). That's why the marriage of the church doesn't happen until Rev. 19:7, in connection with Jesus' 2nd coming and the bodily resurrection of the church at that time (Rev. 19:7-20:6, 1 Cor. 15:21-23,51-53, 1 Thes. 4:15-16). Mt. 24:30-31 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thes. 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the church as 1 Thes. 4:15-17.

The rapture is coming that is fact. deal with it. it is coming soon get ready!

Do you mean this generation soon? If so, that could be right. For Mt. 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation that saw the 1948 re-establishment of Israel (which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree: Mt. 24:32-34, Hos. 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Lk. 13:6-9, Mt. 21:19,43) won't pass (i.e. die off completely) until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Mt. 24/Rev. chs. 6-19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Ps. 90:10), or 120 years (Gen. 6:3).

This doesn't require that the 2nd coming will occur right before (like one year) before that generation will pass: i.e. 69, or 79, or 119 years after 1948: in 2017, 2027, or 2067. And if the tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8, Rev. 19:7-20:6) will last 7 years (Dan. 9:27), the tribulation's first year didn't have to be in 2011, and won't have to be in 2021, or 2061, but could be in a future year (e.g. 2020) earlier than 2021.
 
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justsurfing said in post 149:

#2. "Gathering" in separation unto protection of the 144,000 (sealed in their foreheads protected from plagues and wrath).

All obedient people in the church will be spiritually protected during the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24, no matter what happens to them physically (Rom. 8:35-37). The 144,000 male-virgins part of the church (Rev. 14:4), along with some others, will be physically protected so that they will survive the tribulation's first stage (Rev. 6), while others will die and their souls will enter into heaven (Rev. 7:9,14). Near the end of this first stage, the 144,000 will be sealed (Rev. 7:3-4) for physical protection before the unsealing of seal 7 (Rev. 8:1), out of which will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Rev. 8:1-2). The first 6 trumpets' events, up to Rev. 9:19, will be the tribulation's 2nd stage. The seal which the 144,000 will receive (which will be different from and in addition to the seal of the Holy Spirit himself which they and all others in the church receive: Eph. 1:13) will physically protect them during this 2nd stage (Rev. 9:4).

After that stage is over, the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church will be caught up in their mortal bodies as the "man child" to God's throne in heaven (Rev. 12:5, 14:4-5, TR), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Heb. 11:5, 2 Kin. 2:1). Right after the 144,000 are caught up, the tribulation's 3rd stage, the literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will begin (Rev. 12:5-6). This time period is shown from 4 different angles in Rev. chs. 11-14 (Rev. 11:2b-3, 12:6,14, 13:5-18, 14:9-13). The 144,000 will remain up in heaven before God's throne (Rev. 14:5, TR) during this time (Rev. 14:9-13, 13:5-18), while two other parts of the church will still be on the earth: the figurative "woman" who represents those in the church who will flee into prepared wilderness places and be physically protected (Rev. 12:6,14), and the remnant of her seed (Rev. 12:17), those in the church who will remain in the cities and not be physically protected, but will be persecuted in every nation, imprisoned, and beheaded by the Antichrist (Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4-6, Mt. 24:9-13).

After the Antichrist's reign is declared legally over at the sounding of trumpet 7 (Rev. 11:15), the 7 plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath will come out of trumpet 7's heavenly temple opening (Rev. 11:19, 15:5-16:1). These vials will be the tribulation's 4th and final stage (Rev 16). Because the church isn't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thes. 5:9), none of these vials will be directed at those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time, still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Rev. 16:15). Instead, they will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isa. 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Gen. 7:7). So some in the church will survive the entire future tribulation on the earth. They are those who will still be "alive and remain" at Jesus' 2nd coming to be raptured (1 Thes. 4:15-17) immediately after the tribulation (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8). These survivors will have experienced God's miraculous physical protection (Ps. 91) without having to have been part of the 144,000.
 
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Originally Posted by Bible2 Mt. 24:30 hasn't happened yet, for it refers to Jesus' 2nd coming, when he himself will appear in the clouds: "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt. 24:30). The 2nd coming won't occur until immediately after the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24 (Mt. 24:29-30, Rev. 19:7-20:6).
Originally Posted by interpreter
Oct. 28th, 312 AD was the second coming. Ever since that day, Jesus has ruled the earth through His followers.
The sign of the Son of Man was an unusual alignment of the planets that formed a cross or X.
Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
:eek: Is that an "orthodox" view :sorry:

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No, it is the historicist view.
How much of Christianity hold to that view today?



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Great Thread Resurrection!

Read the OP from 2010, you'll get a kick out of it... Barack Obama (AKA the Antichrist) was supposed to place the AoD on July 4, 2012.

Of course all the links go nowhere now....

Oops!
#anotheronebitesthedust
 
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Great Thread Resurrection!

Read the OP from 2010, you'll get a kick out of it... Barack Obama (AKA the Antichrist) was supposed to place the AoD on July 4, 2012.

Of course all the links go nowhere now....

Oops!
#anotheronebitesthedust

You are right, this is just another failed date-setter.
 
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The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~

Gulp...............

Luke 21:20
"Whenever yet ye may be seeing Jerusalem being compassed by armies, then be ye knowing!
that NIGH/hggiken <1448> (5758) the desolating of Her/Rapture"

1 Peter 4:7
Of All-things yet the end/Rapture is NIGHT/hggiken <1448> (5758);
be sane! then and be sober! into the prayers,

The Rapture Index

Rapture Index 186
Net Change -1 Updated Jun 9, 2014
Rapture Index of 100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
Rapture Index above 160: Fasten your seat belts


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Originally Posted by interpreter
There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned one.
What do you think "resurrection " means?
The word means to stand up. The rapture is ascending heavenward..........

Ezekiel 37:
10 And I prophecy as He instructed and the spirit/breath is coming in them
and they are living and are standing on their feet, an army/host, great, exceedingly-exceedingly.
[Luke 2:34/Reve 11:11]

Reve 11:
11 And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit/breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand on their feet
and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.
12 And they hear a great Voice out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye hence"! And they ascended into the heaven in the Cloud and observed them their enemies
[Ezekiel 37/Luke 2:34]



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What do you think "resurrection " means?



res·ur·rec·tion [rez-uh-rek-shuhn] (from Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com)
noun
1.
the act of rising from the dead.
2.
( initial capital letter ) the rising of Christ after His death and burial.
3.
( initial capital letter ) the rising of the dead on Judgment Day.
4.
the state of those risen from the dead.
5.
a rising again, as from decay, disuse, etc.; revival.




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G386

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anastasis

an-as'-tas-is

From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):—raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.



resurrection is for EVERYONE! :) :thumbsup:
 
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G386

&#945;&#787;&#957;&#945;&#769;&#963;&#964;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#962;
anastasis
an-as'-tas-is

From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):&#8212;raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

resurrection is for EVERYONE! :) :thumbsup:
Did you know that word is also used in Luke 2 concerning Israel but is not translated as "resurrection" in Bible versions?

Luke 2:34
Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/ana-stasin <386> of many in Israel;
and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Greek Lexicon :: G386 (KJV)
Strong's Number G386 matches the Greek &#7936;&#957;&#8049;&#963;&#964;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#962; (anastasis),
which occurs 42 times in 40 verses in the Greek concordance



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Did you know that word is also used in Luke 2 concerning Israel but is not translated as "resurrection" in Bible versions?

Luke 2:34
Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/ana-stasin <386> of many in Israel;
and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Greek Lexicon :: G386 (KJV)
Strong's Number G386 matches the Greek &#7936;&#957;&#8049;&#963;&#964;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#962; (anastasis),
which occurs 42 times in 40 verses in the Greek concordance



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did not know that, thanks for the info.:thumbsup:
 
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