The question cessationists must answer.

[swordsman1]

No, SM, you have it backwards. The fact that the two prophets will be raised up shows that prophecy is still active!

If there are only 2 prophets prophecying where have all the others gone?

 

[Alithis]

If there are only 2 prophets prophecying where have all the others gone?

Youve really run out of arguments to justify your unbelief

 

[Deborah D]

If there are only 2 prophets prophecying where have all the others gone?

More immature goading. You know exactly what I believe about the gift of prophecy. You're a mocker, and I pray that you see the seriousness of this sin!

 

[swordsman1]

What are you talking about??? God speaks to me in the only language I'm fluent in, unlike your incessant nonsensical babble.

God speaks to you audibly in English?

 

[Deborah D]

God speaks to you audibly in English?

Mock away!!! Just keep digging your hole deeper.

Edit: You know, SM, I can see why God doesn't speak to you at all. You're too busy goading and mocking those of us who DO hear His voice just like He said we would.

 

[swordsman1]

You REALLY need to stop your immature goading. It's against TOS, and it's not Christlike.

Pot..Kettle...Black

 

[swordsman1]

Not in my Bible!

They're in the online editions.

 

[Deborah D]

Pot..Kettle...Black

More and more and more! Just having some fun on a Saturday night, eh?

 

[swordsman1]

The lord jesus had ascended ... He saw him in glory shining with glory..After he had ascended.
That is not seeing him in flesh.

You don't think Jesus in his glory has a body?

 

[Alithis]

God speaks to you audibly in English?

Yes...

 

[swordsman1]

Youve really run out of arguments to justify your unbelief

If that's you reply then I'm not the one who has run out of arguments.

 

[swordsman1]

Looks like I'm touching a few nerves, so I'll say goodnight.

 

[Alithis]

You don't think Jesus in his glory has a body?

Yes thats right...
Nor did paul ever personally meet Jesus... So why does jesus ask ..why are you persecuting ME.. ?
The reason is..god IS SPIRIT abd his body is all those in which his holy Spirit dwells.
As all those led of the holy spirit are the sons of God.
Without the Holy Spirit one is not a son.
Anf if one has the holy spirit one learns to forsake the mind of the flesh and be renewed on their minds ,having by the holy spirit the mind of Christ.
And as they grow on faith they grow in doing what Jesus did .
After all the entire point is that we are to be transformed onto the image of Christ. And he never did anything of himself but only what the father was doing.
And the holy spirit takes that which is the fathers and gives it to us. And GOD IS spirit.
And eternal
And changes not.
Jesus is the perfect and he has given us the holy Spirit so ww can do Gods will untill HE .the lord JESUS..the perfect one.comes.
After thatvthere will be no need for the tools because the job will have ended.

 

[W2L]

If there are only 2 prophets prophecying where have all the others gone?

That is an interesting question.

 

[W2L]

Mock away!!! Just keep digging your hole deeper.

Edit: You know, SM, I can see why God doesn't speak to you at all. You're too busy goading and mocking those of us who DO hear His voice just like He said we would.

You did some mocking yourself.

 

[Thess]

First off you only have 1 vers with the word spirit even in it....???? Second, capitalization is not determined by the GREEK in that verse, or any other. ALL the oldest manuscript copies we have of the NT are either written in continuous lower case or continuous upper case. Every time a translator thought it should be capitalized he did. And many times in different translations there is disagreement. According to a study bible I have called the Companion bible they capitalized either spirit or holy spirit 52 times when it never should have been.

Having prefaced with that information, let me say this. In a book I have which deals with every verse in the NT with the word "spirit/pneuma" in it. The English theologian authoring the book was an acclaimed scholar as well as author of a number of theological books. And he says that in chapter 8 of Romans 'the Holy Spirit of God' is not even mentioned until verse 16. Your Rom 8:11 verse falls short of that. But I'll deal with your post's ONLY verse, which even has the word spirit in it. But first I'll just quote it from a translation which reads a bit different (with the bold being added by me).

CLT Rom 8:11 Now if the spirit of Him Who rouses Jesus from among the dead is making its home in you, He Who rouses Christ Jesus from among the dead will also be vivifying your mortal bodies because of His spirit making its home in you.

Now his books comment concerning your verse was this;
"And if the pneuma (i.e. the new nature from God, the article being used grammatically to identify this pneuma with what has been said about it in verses above) of him that raised up Jesus from among the dead is dwelling in you, He that raised up the Christ from among the dead will quicken your mortal bodies also, on account of His pneuma (i.e., tthe Divine Nature) that dwelleth in you."

He goes on to add that the A.V. (old KJV) had small 's' in both cases in verse 11, but that the R.V. has the first with a 's' and the second with 'S'.

The fact that it is the 'spirit of "Christ in you" which is "the hope of glory", or a risen glorified body', and NOT GOD'S Holy Spirit of glory which is UPON YOU' confirms this position also.

So, I've said all that to basically say you are still coming up short as to my demand for proof that 'the Holy Spirit of God' dwells in you instead of just 'the holy spirit of Christ' (if born anew).

Now I'll give you 5 verses to trump your 1 saying the Holy Spirit of God never dwelled in Jesus either, as well as 7 verses saying the same for us.

MAT 12:18 "Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him,

LUK 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form, as a dove,

LUK 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.

JOH 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

JOH 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Now scriptures pertaining to the Holy Spirit is not in us. Note with this first one, the inconsistency of 5 disagreeing translations in the 'infallible word of God' (according to most anyway).

KJV JOEL 2:29 Even upon the menservants and maidservants in those days, I will pour out my spirit.

NAS JOE 2:29 "Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

"Spirit" = YLT, NIV NAS
"spirit" = KJV, RSV

LUK 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. THIS WAS STILL THE OT AND SPEAKS OF THE SAME PLACEMENT THEN THAT WE HAVE AFTER PENTECOST.

ACT 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;


ACT 2:17 'And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh,

ACT 11:15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning.

ACT 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them;

1PE 4:14 If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.

NOW BEFORE ANYONE WANTS TO START QUOTING MORE VERSES SAYING I'M WRONG...REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES FIRST. BECAUSE I CAN REFUTE ANY YOU 'THINK' STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THE TRUTH I'VE PRESENTED AND BELIEVE.

I was only able to get about halfway through. Man, I just don't have the heart to argue. It accomplishes nothing and right now, some little boy is being raped and a little girl is being beaten. Not interested in that kind of dialog ever.

 

[Thess]

Settle down people. Getting aggressive is exactly what the devil is aiming for. I'm not going there, none of us are.

 

[Thess]

Yes...

Wow. That's intense.

 

[W2L]

Settle down people. Getting aggressive is exactly what the devil is aiming for. I'm not going there, none of us are.

Im not trying to be aggressive. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[Alithis]

Wow. That's intense.

No its more normal then people think ...the lord waljed and talked with adam
But God is Spirit not flesh.
So hearing him is very much a matter of faith.
He said my sheep HEAR my voice. And i know them and they follow me. Hearing him is not about audability but tha happens too