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I have been doing such work for about 30 years. Its a long story. But I'm not hear to speak of myself. But of the true ministry and God's order among the saints and body ministry. All the work of the Spirit is needed today as much as ever.
But the gifts given to men in the church are all equally weighty. If a man claims to have a pastor gift or evangelist gift, we must take all gifts as seriously as another. No man can make himself into any gift or calling.
No, SM, you have it backwards. The fact that the two prophets will be raised up shows that prophecy is still active!The two prophets are proof that prophecy has now ceased! God would not have to specifically raise up 2 prophets if the gift of prophecy was still active.
There were many apostles after the resurrection and they are still needed for the church today until we all come in the unity of the faith unto the perfect man. Which we haven't all come to yet.
The apostles after the resurrection like Paul, Barnabas, Silvanus, Timotheus and perhaps Titus, were in a different ministration.
And nowhere does it say these five fold gifts ceased.
If i did, I would need to be corrected and exhorted and warned.
Calling physical death a healing is one of the worst and cheapest forms of deception I have ever come across.
Nowhere in the scriptures do we find the Lord using that excuse.
I quoted this verse from Mark earlier in the thread. SM said it was just a prediction and, of course, said it was questionable according to some versions....
HCSB, KJV and AMPC don't show it as being questionable. In truth this is a powerful prophecy, and it's a sure word.
Well, here is where cessationists twist the debate: They define "prophesy" as "adding to scripture," as though God would intend every prophesy to be scripture.
But we see in scripture that can't be true.
All those prophets of the OT were busy men saying prophesies for both kings and commoners throughout their lives. But only a very, very few are in scripture.
Paul points out that there were prophets among the Corinthians, yet none of them is in scripture.
So the gift of prophesy is almost never intended for scripture, but for the edification of the individuals directly involved. Therefore the "adding to scripture" objection fails on its face.
Here's an example: One day I attended church with a Christian neighbor and a friend of hers who was also a Christian. A powerful anointing came upon me and the Holy Spirit gave me a word for my neighbor's friend (I'll call her Jane). The word was to avoid the very appearance of evil in her relationship with her boyfriend, or her ministry would be hampered. I didn't really know this person. I knew where she worked, that she had a boyfriend, and that she was charismatic, but that was about it.
That afternoon, my neighbor called me on the phone and said, "What did you say to Jane?" She sounded very concerned. Come to find out, Jane had been sharing a hotel room with her boyfriend when they traveled; although, they had not been having sex. God was warning Jane through me.
Naysayers might be thinking that it was just a guess on my part, but I KNEW EXACTLY what God wanted me to say to her. There was no doubt in my mind. And Jane KNEW that it was a warning from God!
Early so called "fathers" quoted it way before the so called oldest manuscripts were used for modern versions. This section should be in the bible.
But maybe don't get too deep into the text and manuscripts here for now. It's a long talk 45 hours or so.
First off you only have 1 vers with the word spirit even in it....???? Second, capitalization is not determined by the GREEK in that verse, or any other. ALL the oldest manuscript copies we have of the NT are either written in continuous lower case or continuous upper case. Every time a translator thought it should be capitalized he did. And many times in different translations there is disagreement. According to a study bible I have called the Companion bible they capitalized either spirit or holy spirit 52 times when it never should have been.[Rom 8:11 NLT] 11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
[Jhn 10:18 NLT] 18 No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded."
[Jhn 2:19 NLT] 19 "All right," Jesus replied. "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
I can only make a rational conclusion based upon what the text says. Who will raise Jesus? The Spirit? Christ Himself? And what about the plethora of passages that says that God will Raise Christ?
Great stuff to ponder. One God.
Just read what some of the people on this thread are saying about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Did God speak actual words in English to pass on to Jane or was a feeling/thought that popped into your head?
(I know you won't give me a straight answer because I've asked you that question numerous times before. So I'll presume it is the latter.)
Or what people mistakenly think are gifts of the Holy Spirit.
paul didnt see The lord Jesus "in the flesh"
so that theories debunked before you started it.
Not in my Bible!I said it was a predictive prophecy, which was fulfilled in the 1st century. That's if it was really Mark talking. Virtually all bible scholars and commentators think it wasn't Mark.
HCSB and AMPC does. Their footnotes point out that v9-20 only appears in some manuscripts.
The lord jesus had ascended ... He saw him in glory shining with glory..After he had ascended.1 Cor 15:5-8 He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.
1 Cor 9:1 Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?
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