The problem of evil

[amariselle]

No, Eelhsa is right. Rather than accepting the fact that it was wrong. My stubbornness in admitting it was out of pride. This is my formal apology. I should have provided the reference.

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That is all any of us can do.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, Eelhsa is right. Rather than accepting the fact that it was wrong. My stubbornness in admitting it was out of pride. This is my formal apology. I should have provided the reference.

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Thank you for admitting to having done wrong. You can do better going forward.

 

[HitchSlap]

That is all any of us can do.

Hardly. How about striving to not behave this way in the future. Unfortunately, this is a creationist tactic, and unwitting Christians too often get caught up in their methods.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Perhaps addressing the information contained in the post rather than critique the citation?

I find it ironic that you would say this given that you have a habit if ignoring anything in my posts that challenge your arguments.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Hardly. How about striving to not behave this way in the future. Unfortunately, this is a creationist tactic, and unwitting Christians too often get caught up in their methods.

My worry is that because I continually see plagiarism from theists in the Philosophy section, we have an entire group of people that believe things for reasons that they actually haven't thought through on their own. Or that they may sway someone else's opinion by regurgitating terrible arguments that they haven't vetted themselves.

 

[amariselle]

Hardly. How about striving to not behave this way in the future. Unfortunately, this is a creationist tactic, and unwitting Christians too often get caught up in their methods.

You honestly think that when we make mistakes we can do better than apologize and honestly admit to our shortcomings? And since when does such an admission mean that we can't or aren't intending to do better in the future?

I'm not caught up in anything. An honest admission of guilt means that the person who has admitted their failings, recognizes what they have done and wants to do better. What is the problem here?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Hardly. How about striving to not behave this way in the future. Unfortunately, this is a creationist tactic, and unwitting Christians too often get caught up in their methods.

Just out of curiosity, I noticed you bring up creationism a lot. Why is that when the topic has nothing to do with creationism?

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[amariselle]

My worry is that because I continually see plagiarism from theists in the Philosophy section, we have an entire group of people that believe things for reasons that they actually haven't thought through on their own. Or that they may sway someone else's opinion by regurgitating terrible arguments that they haven't vetted themselves.

I'm sure that statement can also hold true of non-Christians. People sometimes don't think things through, this can be true of anyone, regardless of their specific beliefs.

 

[HitchSlap]

My worry is that because I continually see plagiarism from theists in the Philosophy section, we have an entire group of people that believe things for reasons that they actually haven't thought through on their own. Or that they may sway someone else's opinion by regurgitating terrible arguments that they haven't vetted themselves.

Great point. IMO, most Christians have bad reasons for what they believe, due in no small part for the reasons you listed. They don't take time to vet then information.

 

[amariselle]

Great point. IMO, most Christians have bad reasons for what they believe, due in no small part for the reasons you listed. They don't take time to vet then information.

This is an assumption, nothing more. There are plenty of Christians who have indeed "vetted" their information. Christians don't necessarily live in some little bubble, we live in the same world as everyone else. We work in public workplaces and attend public schools. I grew up in the secular school system and I have many family members and friends who are not Christian, (including my own sister). It is not as though I haven't been confronted with viewpoints different than my own, and I have actually chosen to explore some of these differing viewpoints for myself.

I am constantly learning and growing as a person. This idea that all Christians are just backwards and unintelligent, is, quite honestly, a close-minded view that allows for non-Christians to easily dismiss anything Christians say, and it is also quite insulting, disrespectful and condescending.

 

[HitchSlap]

You honestly think that when we make mistakes we can do better than apologize and honestly admit to our shortcomings? And since when does such an admission mean that we can't or aren't intending to do better in the future?

I'm not caught up in anything. An honest admission of guilt means that the person who has admitted their failings, recognizes what they have done and wants to do better. What is the problem here?

Didn't you say, "This is all any of us can do"?

I disagree, admitting you're wrong is only the first step. Going forward, is it not moral to strive to not behave the same way as before?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I'm sure that statement can also hold true of non-Christians. People sometimes don't think things through, this can be true of anyone, regardless of their specific beliefs.

Completely agree. But, as I've said, I'm seeing this from the theists and not the non-theists here on this site. I've seen Christians called out for plagiarism, then continue to do so. I've seen Christians agree that an argument of theirs was full of errors, yet continue to use it.

I guess my question is, do Christians think the ends justify the means? Is "lying for Jesus" ok? Because it happens often enough that it's a pretty common phrase amongst non-theists.

 

[HitchSlap]

Just out of curiosity, I noticed you bring up creationism a lot. Why is that when the topic has nothing to do with creationism?

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Because quote mining and blatantly misrepresenting the facts is a creationist tactic. It's part of the "wedge document," and unfortunately, most Christians unwittingly fall in lock step with these methods.

 

[HitchSlap]

This is an assumption, nothing more. There are plenty of Christians who have indeed "vetted" their information.

Then what's your explanation for creationists who persistently quote mine and misrepresent the facts?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Because quote mining and blatantly misrepresenting the facts is a creationist tactic. It's part of the "wedge document," and unfortunately, most Christians unwittingly fall in lock step with these methods.

Although I don't entirely agree with your accusation, I do see where you are coming from.

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[HitchSlap]

Although I don't entirely agree with your accusation, I do see where you are coming from.

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To be fair, I will revise my statement to say, "all creationists Christians."

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Didn't you say, "This is all any of us can do"?

I disagree, admitting you're wrong is only the first step. Going forward, is it not moral to strive to not behave the same way as before?

That I can agree with.

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[amariselle]

Didn't you say, "This is all any of us can do"?

I disagree, admitting you're wrong is only the first step. Going forward, is it not moral to strive to not behave the same way as before?

Actually, I was referring to a mistake (in this case dishonesty) that has already been made. We can't change what has already been done, the best we can do about such a situation is to apologize honestly for it. Moving forward is of course the next step. Where did I ever say that we shouldn't try to do better? I didn't.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I guess my question is, do Christians think the ends justify the means? Is "lying for Jesus" ok? Because it happens often enough that it's a pretty common phrase amongst non-theists.

Absolutely not, which is why I apologized for not using citation. My only defense is that the information that was provided is not a lie. Are you suggested GotQuestions.org is "lying for Jesus"?

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[amariselle]

Then what's your explanation for creationists who persistently quote mine and misrepresent the facts?

My explanation? Are you trying to get me to justify such things? And just because viewpoints other than your own are presented, does not mean someone is "misrepresenting the facts."